Cannot turn off All Star Game

[GreyEagle]

I started an historical sim today with the year 1871. In the settings before creating the game, I turned the all star game off because I think ASGs are a complete waste of time. However once the game set itself up it went ahead and scheduled an 1871 all star game. What gives?

[thorpegiovanni]

Just uncheck the box and regenerate the schedule, or, manually delete it from schedule editor.

[GreyEagle]

I've gone back in and unchecked all star game for a second time. I will regenerate the schedule.

When I go back in after doing this, the game has turned the all star game back on. I unchecked it again, finished one day and now it seems to be turned off.

[GreyEagle]

Nope, no dice. The turn off feature does not work. When 1872 rolled around, the All Star Game was stuck back in there even though it's not found in the options.

[David Watts]

Is the game generating All Star teams as well?

[thorpegiovanni]

You tried manually going to the date and deleting it?

[David Watts]

Do you have the option for historical expansion selected? Wonder if it's a bug in the historical game that wants to add an all star game? I know if you start in 1901 and have the option for historical expansion selected, the all star game will not appear until 1933.

[GreyEagle]

It is generating all star rosters and the game. I do have historical expansion turned on.
Year 1875 is starting and the all star game is scheduled. I went in and deleted the game. This is frustrating however. The All Star Game didn't even exist back then.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by GreyEagle

It is generating all star rosters and the game. I do have historical expansion turned on.
Year 1875 is starting and the all star game is scheduled. I went in and deleted the game. This is frustrating however. The All Star Game didn't even exist back then.

The fact that it's coming back even when you turn it off leads me to think it's a bug involving historical expansion. If you play long enough, check to see if the all star game disappears when you reach 1901.

[Orioles1966]

Try deleting the all-star game(schedule editor) and move regular season games in it's place. Example: Take a game that was scheduled on the previous day or the day after and schedule it on the all-star game date. As long as there are regular season games being played I doubt if the all-star game get's re-scheduled.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by GreyEagle

I started an historical sim today with the year 1871. In the settings before creating the game, I turned the all star game off because I think ASGs are a complete waste of time. However once the game set itself up it went ahead and scheduled an 1871 all star game. What gives?

What schedule are you using?

[GreyEagle]

I just chose Historical game and started with 1871. I'll see if it disappears when get to 1901. The fact it had the AL starting in 1871 instead of 1901 I thought was suspect.

[GreyEagle]

One big thing I do not like: I am creating an historical game for 1871 and it forces me to create two leagues? The American League didn't exist, the NL was the only one at that level in 1871, why am I forced to create two? Why can't it be accurate and bring in the AL in 1901? Why doesn't the game start as the National Association rather than NL?

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by GreyEagle

I just chose Historical game and started with 1871. I'll see if it disappears when get to 1901. The fact it had the AL starting in 1871 instead of 1901 I thought was suspect.

Unfortunately, you've stumbled upon one of OOTP's weaknesses - it's not very good at handling the way that baseball was organized in the 19th century. The game doesn't use the historical 1871 schedule (which is, nevertheless, included with the game) because, if you want to play beyond 1871 into the 20th century, the game will have a tough time creating the AL in 1901 unless it was already in existence. That means creating the AL in 1871 and having, in effect, a fictitious historical league. That also means that the AA, UA, and PL don't appear at all. Take a look at BaseballMan's historical replay to get a sense of what you would need to do to create historically accurate leagues in the 19th century.

[NoOne]

it might be because of importing historical stuff... like the schedule.

you may need to do this each year... or edit the schedule files and remove the ASG from the header at top and also the game itself in <games> ... </games>

if "generate" new schedule after removing it doesn't fix it, this is likely your only avenue to get rid of it. if it keep reverting it each new season, you'll have to do it by hand, or uncheck the "automaticalyl import" option - just a guess on the cause.

schedules not used? what about adding _C_<name of league> -- name of your saved game will at least cover the majors... when minors show up, you could comment those with the league name, not saved game name.

worse comes to worst, maybe change one of the historical names very slightly. an extra space might be enough. now, commenting the name of the league will definiteyl use your editted schedule and not the default one - i'd assume.

[GreyEagle]

Thanks for the info. I think what I will do is start with 1901 instead of 1871. I wonder if I can keep my Orioles from leaving for New York.....hmmmm. Thanks again!

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by GreyEagle

Thanks for the info. I think what I will do is start with 1901 instead of 1871. I wonder if I can keep my Orioles from leaving for New York.....hmmmm.

I think you'd need to turn off historical league expansion during the game set-up, although I'm not sure about that.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by GreyEagle

Thanks for the info. I think what I will do is start with 1901 instead of 1871. I wonder if I can keep my Orioles from leaving for New York.....hmmmm. Thanks again!

Yes, joe is right. If you have historical expansion turned on, keeping the Orioles in Baltimore will not be an option. Historical expansion will override any changes you make to ensure the game follows its historical setup.

[GreyEagle]

That's ok, we'll be back!!!!

[GreyEagle]

Starting with 1901 so far has done the trick. I'm starting the 02 season now and there is no all star game scheduled. Still, having it for the 1871 module is absurd, nobody had all star games during that period.