Draft:assigning Draftees/also Fa Signs Etc

[winit87]

Will we be able to assign the draftees to the level we want and not where the AI puts them

Also same goes with free agents and trades

[DCG Moo]

As a long-time player but new poster, I second interest in this. It doesn't seem like it'd be too difficult to code around either right now... after the completion of a trade/signing/amateur draft, run to a small popup window with drop-down menus for the levels of your organization. It would be nice to be able to assign a 1st round pick to AA if he's truly Prior-esque, and would simplify the process of, say, trading a ML reliever for a A-level prospect and the prospect (or reliever) being improperly assigned. On second thought, it might not be a breeze with the 40-man rules, but has there been any thought here?

And, for that matter, how does the AI handle expansion drafts and the 25-man roster, etc.? Is it a case of "first 25 picked" make up the 25-man, and future players are distributed down the line (AAA, AA, A, etc) as roster space allows?

Neither is a decision-breaker, obviously... but I am curious myself.

Moo.

[robster1225]

The draftees go to your designated for assignment area, and then you put them where you want. That is, of course, if you have AI roster moves turned off.

[mgom27]

They should go to the Contract Page and stay their intill you sign them to a contract and if you don't sign them by a certain date they either have to reenetre next years Draft or become a Free-Agent.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by mgom27

They should go to the Contract Page and stay their intill you sign them to a contract and if you don't sign them by a certain date they either have to reenter next years Draft or become a Free-Agent.

I agree with you, but that has been called too much micromanagement.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I agree with you, but that has been called too much micromanagement.

Agree. I'd rather manage my organization the day after the draft, promoting or demoting a few players as I see fit, then go through the process described above (by DCG Moo and mgom27) for everyone.

[DCG Moo]

Bare with me a bit if I'm missing something obvious... I tore apart OOTP's 3-5, but real life took away the chance to play v6.12/6.5 hardcore (too bad, seeing how deified that thing's become) and I'll be honest... v2006 lost me, as much as I didn't want it to, so I never got deep enough to test roster issues like this. So if I miss something that's been updated in a more recent edition, smack me and tell me to do my research a bit deeper. I'll take no offense.

That said... I can see the argument that such a decision is micromanagement. Notably in the expansion draft and off-season transactions, when day-to-day roster status isn't quite as vital. But I do have some clarifications I'd like to check in on regarding this "send them to the DFA list and deal with it tomorrow" solution. And for clarification, I'd consider myself primarily an off-line, fictional player... though historical depth in this one will get me playing there a bit as well.

1. Is there some ruling or coding against the AI (or heck, myself even) intentionally skirting baseball rules, taking the left-handed middle reliever my trading partner needs in a Rule 5 draft or free agency, then immediately packaging him in a trade elsewhere two days later? I'm concerned that, with all of these FA signings and traded players simply hitting that DFA list, that the roster rules regarding these signees/tradees could be ignored. Baseball rules created the DFA list as much as a trading block as anything... and it's certainly more intended for outgoing players than incoming.

2. Also, what happens if I trade for a minor leaguer, happen to forget to remove him from the DFA segment for two weeks... he's a free agent, right? Though I do understand micromanagement being an issue for some players, and I'll bend on the offseason and the expansion draft, maybe even mid-season free agency... but when I, as Fictional GM #3,282,123, make a trade for an AA OF... I do it with the explicit intent of sending him to a specific level of my organization. It shouldn't take me a day, or an entirely separate process, to decide what I'm going to do with him. I did that while I was considering trading for him, and told him where he was going when I made the phone call to his agent to welcome them to the organization.

3. I assume, if I understand Raidergoo correctly that the "signing" element to the draft is being chalked up as micromanagement, that the potential for a J.D. Drew-like "No, I don't wanna play for you, maybe next year" situation is pretty much nil? Because this one would seriously be suspending disbelief for me... contract issues with a draftee happen almost annually, and I admit I do have issues convincing myself, even in a "fictional" MLB-based league, that Scott Boras simply doesn't exist.

4. Let's be honest, and I'm being half-serious (but only half) here... is sending them to the DFA list, so that you have to click over to another screen and go through an entirely special and specific process just to assign a player you just traded for to AA, REALLY "less micromanagement" than having the window pop up the moment the transaction is complete and getting it dealt with that second? I mean, the movement happens anyway, whether they hit the DFA list or not...

Again... this all may SEEM like nitpicking, but if you all weren't doing such a fine job answering the bigger questions I wouldn't have to drill you all on the dang 40-man. And I know I could simply "overlook" this as I'll apparently have to in the international scouting issues (not a deal-breaker either, though it's much closer)... but as the quote in (I believe) Giants44's sig states: "In a text sim -- immersion is everything." And I wouldn't be so picky if prior editions of the software hadn't set the bar so high in my mind (part of my, and I'm sure many others, problem with v2006). Thanks in advance for the patience... I get a bit long-winded at times.

Moo.

[robster1225]

DCG Moo:

1. I don't really know how to answer your first point, except that there has to be somewhere for the players to go once they are signed. Right now it's the DFA section, you don't want the AI guessing where to put them.

2. After you sign a player, he is instantly on your DFA, then you can instantly move him where you want to, you don't have to wait a day for anything. About forgetting a player is on DFA, you could also just as likely forget to sign the player to a contract, and then he would be a free agent as well, thats the same issue, no matter what you call the area that the player goes to.

3. I agree, draftees should not be instantly signed.

4. Your right, and as a solo player that would work great, but for online leagues it would be hard for the commissioner to know exactly where to put a player.

[zekester91]

1. from everything I've seen and I've not played 2007 (not on bata team ) but in past versions of the game, rule 5 picks would go back to origral team if you traded for them.

2. Again in past versions of the game, it won't let you move past that date untill you delt with your DFA people.

3. in 6.5 you had to pay a bonus just to draft the player, can't remember off the top of my head if that was in 2006. but that money would be thier starting contract which you knew you where paying when you drafted them. It would be a pain as minor league players don't really get paid. if you had to give them contracts on draft day would really mess up their first ML contracts and stuff.

4. I think it's been said that if you have a big enough monitor for 2007 that you can see all the areas on 1 screen.

[DCG Moo]

Thanks for the replies and answers... I know these aren't quite as easy to explain as some other questions. A couple of these I'm nitpicking far too deeply I'm sure, but I wanted to know the extent of the system since I'm not as schooled in 6.5/2006 as most are. But I'll deal and be happy.

The draft signings, though, I would like to at the very least add to the suggestions list for 2008 if it can't make 2007. Because...

Originally Posted by zekester91

but that money would be thier starting contract which you knew you where paying when you drafted them. It would be a pain as minor league players don't really get paid. if you had to give them contracts on draft day would really mess up their first ML contracts and stuff.

... isn't really the way it works in baseball. At all.

Going on a tangent here... but if salaries and initial contracts were determined solely by draft position, Mark Prior would be a Twin today, and Joe Mauer would either be a Cub or a Devil Ray. The primary reason the Twins didn't take Prior with the top pick in that draft was one Scott Boras, and his desire to make Prior the highest paid rookie pitcher ever (and have Prior in a larger market than Minnesota). The hometown stuff was a cover, and though it looks good today... it looked really bad back then.

It's happened with numerous prospects over the years... players either negotiated contracts larger than their draft status for one reason or another, or refused to sign the "market" deal and reentered the draft the following year. The most recent example of this is the Cubs 5th round draft pick this year, Jeff Samardzija, who got a contract bigger than many major league (non-Oriole) relief pitchers solely to keep him from entering the NFL draft. I think his draft-day contract was 5 years, $10 million... or $2 mil per year for a 5th round pick who'll be playing in A ball at best this year. But he was also a potential NFL 1st round pick, so it was necessary.

I can understand the difficulty of implementing this one so soon to the 2007 release date... but to say that it's not an issue, I just don't agree with that. Every single year, there's some "exception" to the rule... and generally at least 3-4 players who fall from the top 5 in the draft to much lower simply because they've attached themselves to Scott Boras or publicly claimed they want more than expected.

Even aside from the major exceptions, I don't recall even seeing or hearing of monetary values attached to draft slots... that's done by the NBA and NFL because of the salary cap, but baseball's draft is infinitely more informal and (though I could be wrong, I have hunted for it) TEAMS determine player contracts, not draft position. And it will take some suspense of disbelief to realize that, while drafting, I have no concerns at all over player morale or monetary concerns... just keep him happy once I get him. Cause everyone's happy to be drafted by the Devil Rays, right?

My point was, the morale for a player shouldn't necessarily start AFTER they're drafted... if I want to spend a 9th round pick on the hometown kid who grew up 2 miles from my ballpark, he should be THRILLED to play for me and it should take a lot to lower that morale. I don't need the Samardzija example, that's way too picky and specific... but a player refusing to sign because he doesn't like your team or your contract terms is not only realistic, omission of it is actually quite unrealistic. ESPECIALLY if feeder leagues end up linked so that non-drafted HS go to college as Markus suggested he was looking into... I think the threat of a top pick from HS refusing to sign and go to college instead is a natural progression of that.

Maybe next year though.

And apologies on the "less maintenance" numero 4... silly me, I try to think in terms of fairness to everyone and completely omit mention of online leagues. Thank you for, ahem, "reminding me", robster.

[DCG Moo]

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Someone smack me next time I go on a tangent like that, m'kay? Keep the new guy in line already.

[robster1225]

:smack:

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by DCG Moo

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Someone smack me next time I go on a tangent like that, m'kay? Keep the new guy in line already.

Where is Malleus Dei when you really need him?

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I agree with you

And I agree with you. We have to negotiate contracts with free agents, and I sign something on the order of 40-100 free agents every time I start up a new game. Most of the draftees will be willing to play for a minor league contract, a few will want a one-time bonus on top of that, and maybe three to five will be able to negotiate an actual contract. That's very doable.

On a related topic, I hope in 2008 we'll have to pay the salaries of our minor league players — at a minimum the ones on our secondary rosters.

[mgom27]

Underclassmen declaring for the Draft and a High School signing a letter intent to play for like lets say Florida.
Signing Players and Pitchers to one year contracts.
No Trade Clauses.
If a person has 10 or more years has the right Veto a Trade and pick where wants to be Traded to.
Players and Pitchers having problems with leaving their counties to join their MLB team.
The Key Date when Players and Pitchers have to report to Camp.
The Manny Factor or who ever one because he's going to show up on March 1st to Camp.
Sign Players and Pitchers to a Minor League Contract and bring them to Camp to see if they have a chance to make it on the 40 man Roster like Sammy Sosa is trying to do or like Billy Butler or Alex Gordon trying to make it on to the Royals 40 Man Roster.
Rumor Mill to see what Trade Rumors are out their like lets say theirs a Rumor of Lasting Millage,Anderson Hernandez going to the White Sox for Mark.B,Booby Jenks and Paul Konerko or John Smoltz to the Tigers for couple of their Top Prospects.
The Roger Clemens factor where he decides if he going to retire or comeback or like Jim Leyland coming out of Retirement to manage the Tigers.

[Curtis]

Many of those are pretty good ideas, but I think you're off topic.

[Nu-Bru]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Many of those are pretty good ideas, but I think you're off topic.

It's all right, mgom is an adherent of random thinking.