Facegen limit question

Bishop · 02-21-2007, 04:54 PM

In a different thread Marcus seemed to indicate there would be no duplication of faces.

Is there a limit? If we run 100+ years, full minors, world leagues, we'll -never- run across a duplicate face?

Retired faces don't get recycled?

Just curious if there's a top end to all of this, or it's just a 'you'll likely never reach it' kind of thing.

Markus Heinsohn · 02-21-2007, 04:56 PM

The faces are generated on the fly, there are no presets. Thus, it is highly unlikely (think lottery win) to have two players with the same face in 100 years.

Craig Scarborough · 02-21-2007, 04:58 PM

There probably COULD be duplicates, but there are probably so many parameters that the odds are highly against it.

Suppose there are 64 noses, 64 mouths, 64 foreheads, 64 cheeks, etc. That's a lot of permutations and the odds of getting two people who look exactly the same are infinitely small.

I'm assuming, of course, that there are more than 64 of each type - there are probably a multitude of variations for each parameter.

Markus Heinsohn · 02-21-2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

There probably COULD be duplicates, but there are probably so many parameters that the odds are highly against it.

Suppose there are 64 noses, 64 mouths, 64 foreheads, 64 cheeks, etc. That's a lot of permutations and the odds of getting two people who look exactly the same are infinitely small.

I'm assuming, of course, that there are more than 64 of each type - there are probably a multitude of variations for each parameter.

I think it's more like 2^32 per type...

markmcghee · 02-21-2007, 05:30 PM

2 to the 32nd noses? Crikey! That's almost 500million noses! And eyes. And eyebrows. And mustaches. And glasses. Jeez I wonder what the odds of getting a Groucho Marx in center field would be. Don't laugh. The law of uncertainty practically assures this eventuality.

zukes · 02-21-2007, 05:32 PM

Okay so there are 4,294,967,296 different types of noses times 4,294,967,296 mouths times 4,294,967,296 eyes times......

Bishop · 02-21-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The faces are generated on the fly, there are no presets. Thus, it is highly unlikely (think lottery win) to have two players with the same face in 100 years.

Asked and answered. Gotta love it.

Thanks!

BusterKing · 02-21-2007, 07:18 PM

Recycling faces... too funny.

I hope you included albinos.

Kyros · 02-21-2007, 08:53 PM

I have the retail version of FaceGen and the amount of different types of looking players (people) are virtually endless and I am not exaggerating. Duplicates are possible only because of chance, not because of the limited ability of FaceGen itself.

Comedian2004 · 02-21-2007, 08:56 PM

I thought I found a bug the other day. It would not generate a face for a guy. Then I realized it was Ted Williams. Need to have a head to generate a face.

cephasjames · 02-21-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comedian2004

I thought I found a bug the other day. It would not generate a face for a guy. Then I realized it was Ted Williams. Need to have a head to generate a face.

ROFL

targy · 02-21-2007, 10:23 PM

Roflmao

Lucas718 · 02-21-2007, 10:39 PM

I'll probably get flamed for this but I think most of the faces come out looking very similar to each other. I think it's a cool feature, though.

CHCfan · 02-21-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas718

I'll probably get flamed for this but I think most of the faces come out looking very similar to each other. I think it's a cool feature, though.

I remember thinking that about Layton's tool, but these are looking better to me actually.

CaLíKrAzY · 02-22-2007, 12:06 AM

I like the faces but I hate "those" kinds of beards

and would like to see more goatees

& sideburns for pitchers!

. Keep it comin'.

Tycobbler · 02-22-2007, 12:29 AM

well lets not forget the faces also age as the years go by further adding to the facegen fun.

02-21-2007, 04:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bishop All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 620	Facegen limit question In a different thread Marcus seemed to indicate there would be no duplication of faces. Is there a limit? If we run 100+ years, full minors, world leagues, we'll -never- run across a duplicate face? Retired faces don't get recycled? Just curious if there's a top end to all of this, or it's just a 'you'll likely never reach it' kind of thing.

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zukes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 738	Okay so there are 4,294,967,296 different types of noses times 4,294,967,296 mouths times 4,294,967,296 eyes times...... __________________ <------------ My son, the future Calgary Flame

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CaLíKrAzY All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Costa Mesa, CaLí Posts: 688	I like the faces but I hate "those" kinds of beards and would like to see more goatees & sideburns for pitchers!. Keep it comin'.

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Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Heinbockel, Germany Posts: 9,447	The faces are generated on the fly, there are no presets. Thus, it is highly unlikely (think lottery win) to have two players with the same face in 100 years.

02-21-2007, 04:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Craig Scarborough OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 398	There probably COULD be duplicates, but there are probably so many parameters that the odds are highly against it. Suppose there are 64 noses, 64 mouths, 64 foreheads, 64 cheeks, etc. That's a lot of permutations and the odds of getting two people who look exactly the same are infinitely small. I'm assuming, of course, that there are more than 64 of each type - there are probably a multitude of variations for each parameter.

02-21-2007, 05:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
markmcghee Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft.Lauderdale Posts: 29	2 to the 32nd noses? Crikey! That's almost 500million noses! And eyes. And eyebrows. And mustaches. And glasses. Jeez I wonder what the odds of getting a Groucho Marx in center field would be. Don't laugh. The law of uncertainty practically assures this eventuality.

02-21-2007, 07:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
BusterKing Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Canada Posts: 346	Recycling faces... too funny. I hope you included albinos.

02-21-2007, 08:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kyros All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 981	I have the retail version of FaceGen and the amount of different types of looking players (people) are virtually endless and I am not exaggerating. Duplicates are possible only because of chance, not because of the limited ability of FaceGen itself.

02-21-2007, 10:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lucas718 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 155	I'll probably get flamed for this but I think most of the faces come out looking very similar to each other. I think it's a cool feature, though.

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Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,415	well lets not forget the faces also age as the years go by further adding to the facegen fun.

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