Databases in 2007

[Deftones2003]

Are the database files crash friendly in 2007. In 2006 if the game crashed well you were screwed unless you made a backup.
Is there anyway to help prevent this type of scenario if the game does crash.

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by Deftones2003

Are the database files crash friendly in 2007. In 2006 if the game crashed well you were screwed unless you made a backup.
Is there anyway to help prevent this type of scenario if the game does crash.

You're only "screwed" if it crashes during a save. That being said, a backup is a computer's best friend.

[battists]

So in other words, if there's a problem with the game somewhere, is there code to make it not a problem?



We've seen crashes, but then again, we're beta testing. Still, given the amount of time most people put into their OOTP leagues, it's always sad to hear that people's leagues have gotten hosed due to an error. Sadder still to hear that it's ruined permanently because they didn't take the few minutes to back up their files occasionally.

[ctorg]

I had a league in 2006 where I simmed from 1901-2004 and began play with a team in 2005. I saved the game and backed up once a month. After the end of the World Series, which was a really great heart-tugger involving my team, I had a crash.

My last backup was from the beginning of September, before my team even clinched. I was cursing myself for not backing up more, but really, how much should one expect to have to back up? Anyway, I couldn't bring myself to replay everything so I ended up abandoning the league, which was a shame given the amount of time I'd put into it.

[Deftones2003]

Originally Posted by ctorg

I had a league in 2006 where I simmed from 1901-2004 and began play with a team in 2005. I saved the game and backed up once a month. After the end of the World Series, which was a really great heart-tugger involving my team, I had a crash.

My last backup was from the beginning of September, before my team even clinched. I was cursing myself for not backing up more, but really, how much should one expect to have to back up? Anyway, I couldn't bring myself to replay everything so I ended up abandoning the league, which was a shame given the amount of time I'd put into it.

and hence why i'm asking if the DB files are gonna be crash friendlier in 2007.
I've had other programs crash during saves but don't kill the file like this program does. (Ie ..AutoCAD has crashed on me many times but i've never had a corrupt file which made me restart)

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by battists

Still, given the amount of time most people put into their OOTP leagues, it's always sad to hear that people's leagues have gotten hosed due to an error. Sadder still to hear that it's ruined permanently because they didn't take the few minutes to back up their files occasionally.

I play other games and use a lot of other programs. Not one of them suffers permanent save game loss or the equivalent on error the way OOTP does. Can you explain why this is?

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I play other games and use a lot of other programs. Not one of them suffers permanent save game loss or the equivalent on error the way OOTP does. Can you explain why this is?

If those crashed while saving the data to disk you'd have corrupted files as well.

[BusterKing]

Can we have an option as the where we want to save the back up file when we click on it?

[battists]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I play other games and use a lot of other programs. Not one of them suffers permanent save game loss or the equivalent on error the way OOTP does. Can you explain why this is?

I can't speak for Markus or the game's programming. I do know that I've experienced fair number of crashes in beta testing, and as jarmenia mentioned, the only time game files become unrecoverable is if they crash during the save process.

I wish I had your luck with games and programs. I can't tell you how many people I know who have lost important Microsoft Word files, Access databases, or other business files when their programs crashed and they didn't have a backup.

I've had similar luck with games, too, getting corrupted saved games in both Civ IV and Gal Civ II recently.

I'm not trying to say "there's no problems in OOTP, it must be the user's fault." Obviously, we're working hard to help Markus make a game that crashes as infrequently as possible.

However, that said, I stand by my recommendation to back up regularly. The rule of thumb I use personally is "Would it be a big pain for me to recover from my last backup? If so, then I should back it up again."

Just my thoughts though.

Steve

[Eumel]

What about an option in the game that automatically makes backups every x weeks/days/months/years? Like autosave, but saving to a separate file?

Would prevent quite a few heart attacks...

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by Eumel

What about an option in the game that automatically makes backups every x weeks/days/months/years? Like autosave, but saving to a separate file?

Would prevent quite a few heart attacks...

Good point because I think many of us are just to busy playing the game that we forget about the essential back up.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by Eumel

What about an option in the game that automatically makes backups every x weeks/days/months/years? Like autosave, but saving to a separate file?

Would prevent quite a few heart attacks...

There's an option in 2006 to save every X number of times. Not sure if you can direct it to a seperate file, but like battists says, making regular back-ups is something everyone should do with files that are important to them.

There are just too many unpredictables when it comes to the world of computers and files.

[Deftones2003]

What about a process that could recover & repair a corrupted file?

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by Eumel

What about an option in the game that automatically makes backups every x weeks/days/months/years? Like autosave, but saving to a separate file?

Would prevent quite a few heart attacks...

if Markus does implement this, i nominate you to be the one to explain the even slower sim times to the pissed off masses

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by battists

I can't speak for Markus or the game's programming. I do know that I've experienced fair number of crashes in beta testing, and as jarmenia mentioned, the only time game files become unrecoverable is if they crash during the save process.

I wish I had your luck with games and programs. I can't tell you how many people I know who have lost important Microsoft Word files, Access databases, or other business files when their programs crashed and they didn't have a backup.

I've had similar luck with games, too, getting corrupted saved games in both Civ IV and Gal Civ II recently.

I have used Word and Excel a lot, and I play games like Civ IV and Gal Civ II a lot, too, and yet the only time I ever have save files corrupted is when OOTP does it.

[ChuckkieB]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but no matter how "involved" one is with playing OOTP, I find it hard to belive that people can't find the time to back up their files. Do it at whatever juncture of the season and however many times that puts you at ease. This is such a simple task that I don't think needs to be addressed by the game's developers.

[The Wolf]

Oh, I back them up, but I still wonder why the OOTP files get corrupted.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by ChuckkieB

Do it at whatever juncture of the season and however many times that puts you at ease. .

Bingo. I've only had one crash with oopt and that was in version 4. 54 games into my first season my file became corrupted. Since then I have made a backup every 5 games, the most I can lose is one turn through the rotation.

May seem a little anal but I play out every game and losing a 13 year old league because I didn't make a backup would drive me crazy. I understand this may seem like overkill to most but as ChuckkieB said "however many times that puts you at ease" and knowing I'll never lose more than 5 games makes me feel safe

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by battists

I can't speak for Markus or the game's programming. I do know that I've experienced fair number of crashes in beta testing, and as jarmenia mentioned, the only time game files become unrecoverable is if they crash during the save process.

I wish I had your luck with games and programs. I can't tell you how many people I know who have lost important Microsoft Word files, Access databases, or other business files when their programs crashed and they didn't have a backup.

I've had similar luck with games, too, getting corrupted saved games in both Civ IV and Gal Civ II recently.

I'm not trying to say "there's no problems in OOTP, it must be the user's fault." Obviously, we're working hard to help Markus make a game that crashes as infrequently as possible.

However, that said, I stand by my recommendation to back up regularly. The rule of thumb I use personally is "Would it be a big pain for me to recover from my last backup? If so, then I should back it up again."

Just my thoughts though.

Steve

I had a character in Oblivion that I played like mad for a few months and had a corrupted quicksave. I also somehow ended up with a corrupted save too so I had no way of even playing that character again. I almost cried.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Bingo. I've only had one crash with oopt and that was in version 4. 54 games into my first season my file became corrupted. Since then I have made a backup every 5 games, the most I can lose is one turn through the rotation.

May seem a little anal but I play out every game and losing a 13 year old league because I didn't make a backup would drive me crazy. I understand this may seem like overkill to most but as ChuckkieB said "however many times that puts you at ease" and knowing I'll never lose more than 5 games makes me feel safe

I sim so backing up every five games would be a lttle silly.

EDIT: Crap! This was post 2000 and that's what I had to say?