TRTR : Day 3

[ChuckkieB]

Great writeup, Tiger Fan. I am a fictional simmer myself but this has inspired me to attempt a historical sim.

Cool screenshot too!

[Sweed]

Nice writeup Tiger Fan. I see the Cubs only post season appearance was 1989 resulting in a loss. If you have time could you comment on how the '84 Cubs did?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Markmeister

Both of the bottom lines look like a little too much info is trying to be shown.

Marcus might need to consider to cutting something out - 'Age'?

Another option is to shorten the first name to the first initial only.

I like the screen and find it easier to read than v2006.

The screen works for me "as is" but if Markus were to make a change rather than cutting out age, which I like to see as my league grows from real to fictional over time, he could abbreviate bats\throws to a simple

             B
Bill Smith   R
Joe Baseball L
Sam Jones    S

             T
Louis Rivera R

[bleachercreature]

I usually don't do historical sims. I just might have to with 2007!

I really enjoyed this game up until version 6. 6.5, to me, seemed like an EA move, where you basically pay for a patch. It wasn't that expensive so I didn't care too much.

Last year, to me, was a total loss. I didn't like the game much at all. I think most of the things that I didn't like have been taken care of.

I've never been a big fan of historical sims either. This may change my mind. I may just have to do a historical sim or ttwo when 2007 comes out.

It wuld seem that last years errors will be a distant memory. I didn't pre order last year. I was very happy I didn't. I may have to this year. I am getting very excited about this year's version of OOTP!

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by Markmeister

Dola,

I'm not sure I like the Overall column being ratings.

I know it's late in the programming process and Marcus is fine tuning and correcting bugs, but would it be possible to change this column to overall stats?

Would definately require cutting first name to inital only to have enought space.

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I prefer it the way it is

Oh, SNAP!

[marc]

Ugh, I don't know if I can hold out another 25 days.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Nice writeup Tiger Fan. I see the Cubs only post season appearance was 1989 resulting in a loss. If you have time could you comment on how the '84 Cubs did?

thanks, glad you enjoyed reading it. Here is some notes on the Cubs. If anyone wants to know about any player/team post here and I will do my best to give you some info.

First thing you have to keep in mind is I was assigning rookies to their original teams since the league started in 1901 so the '84 Cubs were quite different from real life. Jody Davis was the only everyday player on the real life Cubs roster who began his major league career at Wrigley, so none of the others played for the '84 Cubs in my replay.

In the sim the '84 Cubs finished 4th in the NL East with an 82-80 record. The Cardinals would finish with the majors best record at 103-59 and went on to win the World Series for the 4th year in a row. One of the Cards leaders was real life 84 Cub Leon Durham (.302,25,113). The Mets also had a very strong team in '84 with Cy Young Winner Nolan Ryan (22-6, 1.94) and MVP Darryl Strawberry (.273,47,104) leading the way.

As for the sim '84 Cubs, they had a decent offense featuring outfielders Oscar Gamble (.251,25,74), Mel Hall (.300,23,84) and Joe Carter (.240,22,84). Davis posted numbers similiar to real life behind the plate (.249,18,63 sim vs .256,19,94 real life). The infield did not compare to real life as Sandberg, especially, was missed. In '84 sim Sandberg was very close to real life finishing .308,17,77 for the Phillies.

	SIM			REAL LIFE
1B Andre Thornton (.275,20,70)  Leon Durham (.279,23,96)
2B Pat Tabler (.249,8,52)	Ryne Sandberg (.314,19,84)
3B Roy Howell (.262,10,34)	Ron Cey (.240,25,97)
SS Vance Law (.223,13,73)	Larry Bowa (.274,0,17)

Pitching was the weak spot for the sim '84 Cubs as there was no Rick Sutcliffe (16-1 in real life that year) to lead the way. Instead the rotation looked like this:

Rick Reuschall	13-16, 3.18
Don Schulze	12-11, 4.24
Tom Filer	 9-11, 4.54
Randy Martz     10-17, 4.78
Dennis Lamp 8-4/ Buddy Schultz 4-3

The bullpen was solid with Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter and Craig Lefferts combining for 41 saves.


1989 would be the dream season in Chicago as the Cubs would make their first postseason appearance since 1943 and they did so by winning a 1 game playoff over their archrivals from St Louis. Young first baseman Mark Grace (.365,11,80) would win a batting title, an MVP and a gold glove in his second pro season while Greg Maddux (19-9, 2.82) would claim the Cy Young. Unfortunately they would fall to veteran JR Richard and the Houston Astros in the NLCS. Between 1977 and 1995 either Houston or St Louis represented the National League in the World Series on all but 4 occassions.

In 1943 the Cubs would lose the World Series in 5 games to the Red Sox after finishing 7 games ahead of St Louis for their first pennant since 1911. The pitching of Hank Wyse (20-10, 2.76), Jesse Flores (20-6, 2.78) and Vern Olsen (17-9, 2.36) more than made up for the Cubs popgun offense that saw no one hit doubledigit homeruns. Chicago lost the World Series in 5 games to Boston in 1909 and to the Athletics in 6 games in 1911.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by bleachercreature

I've never been a big fan of historical sims either. This may change my mind. I may just have to do a historical sim or two when 2007 comes out.

Everyone should do a historical sim, it's a winner.

[jbmagic]

Does historical leagues give you the correct stadiums and park factors automatically too?

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Does historical leagues give you the correct stadiums and park factors automatically too?

Yes

[marc]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

Yes

[DawnBTVS]

I'm curious to see how the new "slugging" SS's like Nomar, Jeter, Tejada, A-Rod, etc. are doing in comparison to guys like Honus Wagner, Mr. Cub, Cal Ripken etc. of the past.

[84CubsFan]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

thanks, glad you enjoyed reading it. Here is some notes on the Cubs. If anyone wants to know about any player/team post here and I will do my best to give you some info.

First thing you have to keep in mind is I was assigning rookies to their original teams since the league started in 1901 so the '84 Cubs were quite different from real life. Jody Davis was the only everyday player on the real life Cubs roster who began his major league career at Wrigley, so none of the others played for the '84 Cubs in my replay.

In the sim the '84 Cubs finished 4th in the NL East with an 82-80 record. The Cardinals would finish with the majors best record at 103-59 and went on to win the World Series for the 4th year in a row. One of the Cards leaders was real life 84 Cub Leon Durham (.302,25,113). The Mets also had a very strong team in '84 with Cy Young Winner Nolan Ryan (22-6, 1.94) and MVP Darryl Strawberry (.273,47,104) leading the way.

As for the sim '84 Cubs, they had a decent offense featuring outfielders Oscar Gamble (.251,25,74), Mel Hall (.300,23,84) and Joe Carter (.240,22,84). Davis posted numbers similiar to real life behind the plate (.249,18,63 sim vs .256,19,94 real life). The infield did not compare to real life as Sandberg, especially, was missed. In '84 sim Sandberg was very close to real life finishing .308,17,77 for the Phillies.

	SIM			REAL LIFE
1B Andre Thornton (.275,20,70)  Leon Durham (.279,23,96)
2B Pat Tabler (.249,8,52)	Ryne Sandberg (.314,19,84)
3B Roy Howell (.262,10,34)	Ron Cey (.240,25,97)
SS Vance Law (.223,13,73)	Larry Bowa (.274,0,17)

Pitching was the weak spot for the sim '84 Cubs as there was no Rick Sutcliffe (16-1 in real life that year) to lead the way. Instead the rotation looked like this:

Rick Reuschall	13-16, 3.18
Don Schulze	12-11, 4.24
Tom Filer	 9-11, 4.54
Randy Martz     10-17, 4.78
Dennis Lamp 8-4/ Buddy Schultz 4-3

The bullpen was solid with Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter and Craig Lefferts combining for 41 saves.

History is a beautiful thing. This was the year I fell in love with baseball.

Great write-up, TigerFan. I'm finally becoming excited about the possibilities of this new version. Keep up the good work Marcus et beta team. Don't forget the AI!!!

[Exodor]

If anyone wants to know about any player/team post here and I will do my best to give you some info.

I'd love to know if my Royals managed more than their one real-life World Series win in your sim.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Who has been the most successful expansion team? Did you do anything with the expansion drafts and how did they turn out?

[darkenigma510]

When playing did you notice the difference between 80s baseball and late90s baseball in terms of power and offence?

[legendsport]

Great work TigerFan (as usual). I'm guessing that if someone used a different, but Lahman-compatible DB, they could follow whatever "history" is in that db? I ask because I've got Negro League and Japanese historical databases that are nearly ready for use, and would love to do something like this with, say, the history of Japanese baseball.

[kagnew35]

Originally Posted by legendsport

Great work TigerFan (as usual). I'm guessing that if someone used a different, but Lahman-compatible DB, they could follow whatever "history" is in that db? I ask because I've got Negro League and Japanese historical databases that are nearly ready for use, and would love to do something like this with, say, the history of Japanese baseball.

What year does your Japanese db start in?

[legendsport]

Originally Posted by kagnew35

What year does your Japanese db start in?

1936 - the actual first year of pro baseball in Japan. Prior to that it was purely amateur.

Note: the db's not finished, but it is in progress and someday it will be done and I will release it to the community at that point. In the meantime, I will use it for leagues and/or dynasties of my own to spur me to completing it.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by DawnBTVS

I'm curious to see how the new "slugging" SS's like Nomar, Jeter, Tejada, A-Rod, etc. are doing in comparison to guys like Honus Wagner, Mr. Cub, Cal Ripken etc. of the past.

Here are the shortstops you asked for plus three more who were dominant defensively in Ozzie Smith,Appling and Aparicio

NOMAR
2 gold gloves

	SIM	REAL
GP	1490	1193
AB	6089	4832
HR	211	211
RBI	918	833
AVG	.303	.318

JETER
2 gold gloves
	SIM	REAL
GP	1600	1679
AB	6683	6790
HR	160	183
RBI	802	860
AVG	.304	.317

TEJADA

	SIM	REAL
GP	1293	1422
AB	5108	5539
HR	180	240
RBI	798	952
AVG	.271	.286

AROD
1 gold glove (at 3B in 2006)
	SIM	REAL
GP	1803	1746
AB	7066	6767
HR	406	464
RBI	1250	1347
AVG	.303	.305

HONUS WAGNER 
4 MVP awards, 5 gold gloves
	SIM	REAL
GP	2622	2792
AB	9695	10430
HR	67	101
RBI	1353	1732
AVG	.303	.327

ERNIE BANKS 
4 gold gloves, 1 MVP
	SIM	REAL
GP	2262	2528
AB	8642	9421
HR	382	512
RBI	1270	1636
AVG	.262	.274

CAL RIPKEN 
4 gold gloves, 1 MVP
	SIM	REAL
GP	2455	3001
AB	9322	11551
HR	302	431
RBI	1282	1695
AVG	.261	.276

LUKE APPLING 
Won 10 gold gloves
	SIM	REAL
GP	2237	2422
AB	8645	8856
HR	61	45
RBI	1095	1116
AVG	.309	.310

LUIS APARICIO 
Won 7 gold gloves

	SIM	REAL
GP	2847	2601
AB	10089	10230
HR	67	83
RBI	908	791
AVG	.255	.262

OZZIE SMITH
7 gold gloves.  Funny note is the Ozzie was dealt to Missouri in this sim just like in real life, only this time it was to Kansas City for Lonnie Smith in 1985 as the Padres wanted to clear room for Luis Salazar and Rafael Ramierez.
	SIM	REAL
GP	2387	2573
AB	8265	9396
HR	26	28
RBI	745	793
AVG	.259	.262