OOTP2007 on Vista

[dodgerblue88]

Does anyone know if ootp2007 will run slower on vista than on xp? if so, will it be very noticeable?

[APujols5]

Why would it run slower? as a whole Vista runs everything faster and more efficiently than XP.

[dodgerblue88]

true, but the system requirements for OOTP2007 are much higher for vista than for xp.

[APujols5]

Probably just because in order to even run Vista, you have to have a pretty solid PC to start with.

[Magc8Ball]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Why would it run slower? as a whole Vista runs everything faster and more efficiently than XP.

Vista, however, has quite a bit more built-in overhead than XP does. Things that run borderline OK on your XP box will quite probably drop below playable on Vista. (This is what accounts for the higher system specs when running under Vista: it's adding in all that excess overhead.)

If something runs well on your XP machine, though, it'll probably be fine on Vista.

As always, your mileage may vary, depending on the game in question as well as your hardware configuration (i.e. Vista driver support, etc). In general, though (and it'll likely take a beta'er to answer this correctly) from what I've read I don't see any reason why OOTP8 would run any worse on Vista than XP, all things being equal.

[APujols5]

Originally Posted by Magc8Ball

Vista, however, has quite a bit more built-in overhead than XP does. Things that run borderline OK on your XP box will quite probably drop below playable on Vista. (This is what accounts for the higher system specs when running under Vista: it's adding in all that excess overhead.)

If something runs well on your XP machine, though, it'll probably be fine on Vista.

As always, your mileage may vary, depending on the game in question as well as your hardware configuration (i.e. Vista driver support, etc). In general, though (and it'll likely take a beta'er to answer this correctly) from what I've read I don't see any reason why OOTP8 would run any worse on Vista than XP, all things being equal.

Absolutely false.... Every program that ran on my XP rig funs faster, smoother and more accurately on the system now that Vista is installed. There's some false accusations out there that Vista is nothing more than a visual update over XP. Those rumors were started by anti Microsoft people that have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

[JHruska]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Absolutely false.... Every program that ran on my XP rig funs faster, smoother and more accurately on the system now that Vista is installed. There's some false accusations out there that Vista is nothing more than a visual update over XP. Those rumors were started by anti Microsoft people that have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Vista, at least on my system, is using a hell of a lot more memory inthe background at all times than XP ever did, even with half of the new things (such as that side panel gadget thingamajig) turned off. I'd imagine that is what they're referring to.

[APujols5]

Well How much Ram do you have?
My Daughter's PC runs with 1GB and runs smooth as a baby's bottom

[Dagrims]

Originally Posted by APujols5

My Daughter's PC runs with 1GB and runs smooth as a baby's bottom

Now that's a powderful computer! How many talculations can it perform per second?

[Magc8Ball]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Absolutely false.... Every program that ran on my XP rig funs faster, smoother and more accurately on the system now that Vista is installed.

Then you're probably running on a system that is much higher end than mine and that has had all of its components fully supported under Vista. My system is quite borderline (and really shouldn't have any business running Vista to be honest) and in its case the additional load put on it by the excess Vista overhead is enough to drop it below the threshold where Vista's "enhancements" can help. In addition, my sound card and motherboard both are running with default Vista drivers due to them being older; they're not going to be able to take advantage of Vista properly, either.

Please keep in mind we're talking about a system that's well past its prime (just an Athlon XP 2000 with a gig of RAM and an old Radeon 6800XT). Modern, high-end games (stuff like Medieval II: Total War) were already pushing it under XP for me. Under Vista, M2TW has ran much worse.

Most likely, though, my problems are specifically related to my CPU being too slow to handle the additional load from Vista COMBINED with it having to do sound processing on the fly as well (since EAX isn't supported by Vista, and the games I'm playing haven't been upgraded to handle Vista's new sound system) COMBINED with the motherboard drivers not being optimized.

So, in other words, lots of extenuating circumstances. But I bet there are plenty of people in the same boat as me. Luckily, OOTP doesn't use advanced sound features, and won't really tax my system (I ran the OOTP7 demo on this machine without any problems whatsoever). So, like I said, unless you already are seeing problems with XP + OOTP, you probably won't see them under Vista, either. My experiences are specifically related to high-end games, not things like Office or Photoshop or OOTP.

(By the way, it's not always a communist conspiracy or liberal media bias or something: sometimes people just have different experiences based on what their hardware is capable of. I'm not talking about "rumors", I'm talking about personal experience.)

[APujols5]

Yea most of the people complaining about Vista are basically just too lazy to update their drivers or fail to realize that the average life span of a PC is less than 3 years. I doubt I've ever kept a PC longer than 2 Yrs myself, actually probably been even less than 18 months.

[JHruska]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Well How much Ram do you have?
My Daughter's PC runs with 1GB and runs smooth as a baby's bottom

My comp's about 3 months old and has 2 GB of RAM. Since the upgrade, 40-45% of that is taken up by Windows processes at all times.

[APujols5]

Wow, did you do a clean install? hers runs at about 45-55%
and that's with nothing turned off.

Something is defintiely amiss with your PC

[JHruska]

No, I did an upgrade from XP MCE.

[APujols5]

Ok well if you wanna streamline your speed

1) do a clean install
2) go to crucial.com in IE and run the system scan to make sure the PC manufactuer didn't hose you with some slow RAM
3) finally if none of that does much... Then go get a ReadyBoost compatible SanDisk 2GB USB flash drive and leave it plugged in

[Magc8Ball]

The average life span of a given high-performance machine is 2-3 years (more if you're competent enough to upgrade specific components and you don't own a Dell or something, less if you happen to catch the tail end of a major platform shift like the recent AGP-PCIE upgrade). That's actually why my machine is so out of date power-wise right now: I can't do an incremental upgrade without having to replace 75% of the hardware since my motherboard's AGP and as such I don't want to buy a card that won't be compatible with my next CPU/Motherboard combo.

For the average end-user, life span is probably closer to 6-8 years depending on what their machine is being used for. The average person that just does web browsing, housekeeping/word proc'ing, and the occasional game will only find their systems going obselete due to their OS becoming unsupported (which in turn causes drivers to cease being updated for that generation's hardware). Beyond that, only trying to keep up with gaming will cause obselesence. Hell, my wife and I keep an old box running Win98 just for kicks (yay, living room box for guest email checking) and there's no reason for us to trash that box (save, say, security, which our firewall handles just fine).

Luckily, the OOTP team has done a wonderful job keeping the game from getting out-of-control in the hardware-requirements department. Thanks, guys!


EDIT: (At any rate, this is off-topic. )

EDIT 2: Especially given the new thread on sim speed being so much faster. Kick ass!!

[APujols5]

No one and I truly mean NO ONE should keep a PC for 6-8 Years. escpecially not with as cheap as computers are these days

[ifspuds]

I have a 5.5-year old laptop that still works perfectly fine for checking e-mail, webbrowsing and running OOTP6/6.5 for the handful of leagues I still need it for. Why should I spend the money to get a new one until it dies completely? Computers are cheap, sure (relatively speaking), but that $500+ is still better used elsewhere right now.

[dodgerblue88]

well im considering selling my desktop and getting me one of these http://www.compusa.com/products/prod..._2013_Notebook

hopefully it runs ootp2007 smoothly.

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by APujols5

No one and I truly mean NO ONE should keep a PC for 6-8 Years. escpecially not with as cheap as computers are these days

I have not purchased a new computer since 1994, and a computer of any sort since 1998, when I purchased a used PowerTower Pro 225 (one of the short-lived Mac clones). Every PC I have had since then was built primarily on spare/donated parts. Sure, I bought a hard drive, some RAM and a decent video card, but everything else was a freebie.

That being said, there's no way this beast could run Vista, although it runs XP swimmingly.