Winter Leagues and Arizona Fall League

haveband · 02-27-2007, 05:44 AM

I wanted to know if the game was capable of accurately setting up the AFL and Winter Leagues, ie the top prospects playing in the AFL and some veteran major leaguers and some minor leaguers that play winter ball in Venezuela, Dominican, etc.

hb

Raidergoo · 02-27-2007, 07:42 AM

Same as in 2006.

The Wolf · 02-27-2007, 08:31 AM

I think that was a very subtle "no."

Nu-Bru · 02-27-2007, 09:09 AM

Yes, this bothered me as well. Having those winter leagues with totally different players is a bit unrealistic. Of course, you can go through the motions of moving players south during the MLB offseason, but there's no fun in that.

No Pepper · 02-27-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nu-Bru

Of course, you can go through the motions of moving players south during the MLB offseason, but there's no fun in that.

I've done this before for winter leagues but not on a grand scale. I've wondered how it might affect service years and if playing more games in two leagues/seasons in one calendar year affects development any more than normal, either improving or stunting growth.

Sweed · 02-27-2007, 09:51 AM

I was hoping this would get in this year. When v2006 was announced I was excited about being able to use these leagues to help develop players. Not a deal breaker by any means, hopefully will get in for v2008.

dankrzyz · 02-27-2007, 10:08 AM

I experimented with this a couple of times and found that it could (sort of) be done. I simply added a winter league as a minor league for my team and "demoted" players from any level of my organization down to that winter league in Nov/Dec, then back to their original places after that very short season was over. One problem with that was that some veterans refused to be "demoted" - but who needs veterans in winter league anyway, right?

Of course no AI-controlled teams did this. And I don't know how/if it affected the players' skills at all.

Honestly, it was more trouble than it was worth, but (sort of) possible all the same.

Fallschirmjager · 02-27-2007, 10:11 AM

This was one of my bigger dissapointments with 2006 was that winter and fall leagues were just cosmetic

noble · 02-27-2007, 10:12 AM

I did the same thing that dankrzyz mentioned above. I was not able to tell if the additional playing time helped. the biggest thing I remember about it was that the stars got injured and all draftees were placed in this team to start with.

dankrzyz · 02-27-2007, 10:13 AM

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all draftees were placed in this team to start with.

Yes, same experience here too. Another inconvenience.

Zitofan75 · 02-27-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by noble

I did the same thing that dankrzyz mentioned above. I was not able to tell if the additional playing time helped. the biggest thing I remember about it was that the stars got injured and all draftees were placed in this team to start with.

I did this (albeit once) and noticed some ratings improvements for some of the guys as they got playing time.

Le Grande Orange · 02-27-2007, 11:51 AM

Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

The AFL falls under the multiple major league parent scenario. There may perhaps be other ways of mimicking it though...

enuttage · 02-27-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

The AFL falls under the multiple major league parent scenario. There may perhaps be other ways of mimicking it though...

Some sort of Player Transfer Wizard would do the trick. Now, that might be nearly impossible, given the constraints of the game. But this would be useful for both moving players to winter leagues, and placing them on 'world teams', if a player so desired.

I pretend to have no clue as to the feasibility of such a mechanism, though.

Sweed · 02-27-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

The AFL falls under the multiple major league parent scenario. There may perhaps be other ways of mimicking it though...

I have no idea what all this would entail but could something like the "loan player" that is part of FM be a solution? The player would still be under contract to their respective MLB club or affiliate and be loaned to the winter league club for a period of time you determine.

Maybe this has no possibility to work but might be worth having Markus or Marc D. talk to Marc V. and the other FM guys? Food for thought for 2008 and beyond.

haveband · 02-27-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

The AFL falls under the multiple major league parent scenario. There may perhaps be other ways of mimicking it though...

I don't wanna start anything but if it can't be done right, why put it in at all..

Le Grande Orange · 02-27-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by haveband

I don't wanna start anything but if it can't be done right, why put it in at all..

Which is why the AFL is not in the game.

A more serious reply would be that sometimes you have to mimic things rather than outright recreate them, for various reasons. As long as that mimicry comes close to the real thing and offers many of the same challenges, I'm content.

Curtis · 02-27-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

I should think you could do it by disabling functions in shared-team leagues. There would be no promotion/demotion — just assigning guys to the league on opening day and repatriating them on closing day. There would be no trades, waivers, DFA, drafts. Basically, nothing that I can think of would need to be added to the code, just certain things blocked.

Recte44 · 02-27-2007, 04:55 PM

I'm feeling pretty confident we can get this in 2008. I really hoped it would be in 2007, it was one of my big things.

CobaltJays · 02-27-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate.

Would it be that much different from how All-Star teams are handled? Those teams essentially have multiple affiliates.

BruceM · 02-27-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CobaltJays

Would it be that much different from how All-Star teams are handled? Those teams essentially have multiple affiliates.

I wouldn't think so, since the "All-Star" team isn't a team in any specific league when you get right down to it. The All-Star team is a one game event in a given league, ML in this case and I don't really think it's classified as being an "affiliate" for OOTP purposes.

02-27-2007, 05:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
haveband Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 92	Winter Leagues and Arizona Fall League I wanted to know if the game was capable of accurately setting up the AFL and Winter Leagues, ie the top prospects playing in the AFL and some veteran major leaguers and some minor leaguers that play winter ball in Venezuela, Dominican, etc. hb

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dankrzyz Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 235	I experimented with this a couple of times and found that it could (sort of) be done. I simply added a winter league as a minor league for my team and "demoted" players from any level of my organization down to that winter league in Nov/Dec, then back to their original places after that very short season was over. One problem with that was that some veterans refused to be "demoted" - but who needs veterans in winter league anyway, right? Of course no AI-controlled teams did this. And I don't know how/if it affected the players' skills at all. Honestly, it was more trouble than it was worth, but (sort of) possible all the same. __________________ Take Two Baseball League (TTBL) - Mexico City Coyotes team page \| league page \| league forum Last edited by dankrzyz : 02-27-2007 at 10:09 AM.

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Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,001	This was one of my bigger dissapointments with 2006 was that winter and fall leagues were just cosmetic __________________

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Nu-Bru Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 44	Yes, this bothered me as well. Having those winter leagues with totally different players is a bit unrealistic. Of course, you can go through the motions of moving players south during the MLB offseason, but there's no fun in that.

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Sweed All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,741	I was hoping this would get in this year. When v2006 was announced I was excited about being able to use these leagues to help develop players. Not a deal breaker by any means, hopefully will get in for v2008.

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noble Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 132	I did the same thing that dankrzyz mentioned above. I was not able to tell if the additional playing time helped. the biggest thing I remember about it was that the stars got injured and all draftees were placed in this team to start with.

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Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scheduleslovakia Posts: 6,251	Recreating the Arizona Fall League as it actually works IRL probably won't happen for a long time, if ever. I recall Markus saying last year that the AI cannot handle situations where two or more major league clubs share the same minor league affiliate. The AFL falls under the multiple major league parent scenario. There may perhaps be other ways of mimicking it though... __________________ . "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our abilities and skills, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win." .

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Recte44 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: West Allis, WI Posts: 1,559	I'm feeling pretty confident we can get this in 2008. I really hoped it would be in 2007, it was one of my big things. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, Owner: Milwaukee Braves, Other Reality Baseball 2 Recruiter, Owner: Pago Pago Coconuts

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