Import before 1900?

[scprideandms]

or Billy Hamilton stealing 100+ bases a year?

or Kid Nichols winning 25+ games and htting double digit in triples playing 1B on the days he doesn't pitch?

[btheflash]

and Pud Galvin

or Pebbly Jack

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by btheflash

and Pud Galvin

Pud was refered to in a motion picture script I wrote. One character was a fan of baseball trivia and another of Motown trivia. They were trying to figure out which Motown stars 'equated' to which baseball Hall of Famers. Martha Reeves = Pud Galvin.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by JHruska

I'm a historical gamer, and I'm not.

To each his own.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Curtis

How can you live without watching Silver King bat cleanup?

Rather well, actually.

[swampdragon]

There's no question that the contraction in 1900 and the addition of the American League in 1901 would provide a severe challenge for the AI if historical sims started in the 1800s. With luck, those of us who like to play with the 19th century players will be able to find workarounds as we have in the past. Hopefully, custom leagues will have plenty of options that will make the workarounds easier.

[glenmere14]

Originally Posted by btheflash

and Pud Galvin

or Pebbly Jack

...or Julio Franco?

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by glenmere14

...or Julio Franco?

We DID manage to catch the tail end of HIS career.

[RANGER11JP]

Maybe what we need is a way to import those 19th century guys into 1900?
I know we can do individual imports, but I don't have THAT kind of time. Maybe a "normalizer" to account for the rule/game/stat differences. Just a thought.

[ctorg]

I don't really care about getting all the rules right. I would just like to be able to import teams from before 1901, or players, and have the recalc function work. I want to play a recalc historical league from 1871 where the current rules (162 games, for instance) are basically followed. It's a very loose replay, but I still want the recalc function. There doesn't seem to be a way to do this currently.

Is anyone else frustrated that the ability to use recalc and the ability to have auto-expansion and auto-team changes is disabled if you aren't running a historical league? I can obviously see the logic of doing it, but it is annoying. If nothing else, I'd like to be able to play out the pre-1901 history and turn those things on when it gets to 1901, but I can't even do that.

[Cool Papa Bell]

It takes a little more work with the setup, but I've been using 1871 to ? in replays for the past few years. Instead of a historical league, I've been setting up a fictional league and importing the real 1800's players via the draft. Tweek the modifiers to what you want and it works just fine and pretty much the same as a historical replay. You just need to work with or ignore the changes in franchises, because they come and go pretty frequently in the early years.

I've used 1901 modifers in mine for the first 32 years of history and then let it update from there. Stats were reasonable and comparable to real life. I even pro-rated statistics over a longer schedule until 1901 in the database and tweeked it a bit, so a John Bass for example doesn't hit 70 triples in a season, having hit 10 in 89 at bats in 1871.

It also works to change the Lahman database and add 100 years to all player records, then start a historical league in 1971. Change your modifiers and you're good to go. Course, you're a 100 years off in your sim to real life replays, but I didn't care.

Either way works with a little bit of work and I've simmed dozens of 130+ year sims without any problems.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Cool Papa Bell

It takes a little more work with the setup, but I've been using 1871 to ? in replays for the past few years. Instead of a historical league, I've been setting up a fictional league and importing the real 1800's players via the draft. Tweek the modifiers to what you want and it works just fine and pretty much the same as a historical replay. You just need to work with or ignore the changes in franchises, because they come and go pretty frequently in the early years.

I've used 1901 modifers in mine for the first 32 years of history and then let it update from there. Stats were reasonable and comparable to real life. I even pro-rated statistics over a longer schedule until 1901 in the database and tweeked it a bit, so a John Bass for example doesn't hit 70 triples in a season, having hit 10 in 89 at bats in 1871.

It also works to change the Lahman database and add 100 years to all player records, then start a historical league in 1971. Change your modifiers and you're good to go. Course, you're a 100 years off in your sim to real life replays, but I didn't care.

Either way works with a little bit of work and I've simmed dozens of 130+ year sims without any problems.

My issue, though, is that you can't use the recalc feature. There's no reason to have it disabled, but it is disabled. Also, if you get to 1901, it would be nice to be able to turn on the auto-expansion and other features.

I think OOTP really needs to figure out a way to deal with pre-1901 stuff. This has been requested for as long as I can remember. I know the data is incomplete, but it's not an all-or-nothing deal. Just allow us to import what we want from before 1901 - whatever leagues we want and whatever teams we want and whatever players we want. We know it will be flawed, but that's okay.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by ctorg

My issue, though, is that you can't use the recalc feature. There's no reason to have it disabled, but it is disabled. Also, if you get to 1901, it would be nice to be able to turn on the auto-expansion and other features.

I think OOTP really needs to figure out a way to deal with pre-1901 stuff. This has been requested for as long as I can remember. I know the data is incomplete, but it's not an all-or-nothing deal. Just allow us to import what we want from before 1901 - whatever leagues we want and whatever teams we want and whatever players we want. We know it will be flawed, but that's okay.

I agree with all of this.

[Syd Thrift]

On a related note, I'd really like to be able to start in a year before 1800.

[OldeTowneTeam]

Originally Posted by Curtis

How can you live without watching Silver King bat cleanup?

Or Dan Brouthers . . .

[spark240]

Originally Posted by btheflash

There have been all kinds of rule changes. The game takes the rules changes into account by adjusting the league totals, right?

No, it's more like the opposite is true. The league totals reflect the stats of their time, determined by the rules of that time, but the game treats them as though they were achieved under modern rules, and rates the players accordingly.

When you play out a baseball game within your OOTP world of 1901, it will be played by modern rules.

I think the reason most sims see 1901 as the beginning of time is simply because that's when the two extant major leagues first officially held that status together. (Of course they didn't "make peace" and agree to a postseason exhibition until '03, and that wasn't made a fixture until '05, etc., etc.)

I'd have to check to be sure, but I think if you wanted all the rules modeled in OOTP to square with historical on-field rules, you can't start any earlier than 1913, and it might be even later than that.

Of course, like a bunch of other folks, I'd just like to be able to import pre-1901 stuff to play around with.

[Powderguy]

Still would like to see this added.

[Arlie Latham]

Skip until 1901? That's for mollycoddles and milquetoasts. Besides, you'd miss out on "The Freshest Man on Earth".......me!


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