Recalc and Freezing Performance at Pre-Steroid Levels

[Curtis]

Thank you. My favorite year!

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Thank you. My favorite year!

I like that one too. I'm sure I'd rank it even higher if I'd been alive to see it, since the Mets won.

[Craig Scarborough]

I'm still not 100% on this.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, NO ONE is exactly sure how MLEs and PCMs work. It sounds like, in order to play a 1980's type league for eternity, one doesn't have to change these values at all. However, one much manually go into an eratstats.csv (?) file and copy this input to all future seasons to attempt to do this. Even then, ctorg says that there may be anomalies.

I find this whole scenario hard to digest. The development team touts the game's flexibility, and people speak of things such as all-girl leagues, the ability to have a league based in imperial-era Kampuchea as a feeder league for a street-gang league in South Central LA, and yet something which should be relatively simple requires manua editing and may or may not work. Multiply that by the confusion in the user base on how to even approach this and I'm left scratching my head.

Just a note: there are two scenarios here. 1) I want to import league history up to 1980 and replay the 1980's and each subsequent decade, but maintain 1980s baseball in perpetuity. 2) the other way I want this to work is start a brand-new 2007 fictional league and have them play 1980's baseball in perpetuity.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

I'm still not 100% on this.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, NO ONE is exactly sure how MLEs and PCMs work. It sounds like, in order to play a 1980's type league for eternity, one doesn't have to change these values at all. However, one much manually go into an eratstats.csv (?) file and copy this input to all future seasons to attempt to do this. Even then, ctorg says that there may be anomalies.

I find this whole scenario hard to digest. The development team touts the game's flexibility, and people speak of things such as all-girl leagues, the ability to have a league based in imperial-era Kampuchea as a feeder league for a street-gang league in South Central LA, and yet something which should be relatively simple requires manua editing and may or may not work. Multiply that by the confusion in the user base on how to even approach this and I'm left scratching my head.

Just a note: there are two scenarios here. 1) I want to import league history up to 1980 and replay the 1980's and each subsequent decade, but maintain 1980s baseball in perpetuity. 2) the other way I want this to work is start a brand-new 2007 fictional league and have them play 1980's baseball in perpetuity.

I know how you do the first one in OOTP2006. When you get to your favorite year, you uncheck the "recalculate for historical accuracy" in the league totals section. Then you use the methods we used for earlier versions to massage the league totals from year to year. There was a mod that did this pretty well, but I don't remember the name.

[Kemp]

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

I'm still not 100% on this.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, NO ONE is exactly sure how MLEs and PCMs work. It sounds like, in order to play a 1980's type league for eternity, one doesn't have to change these values at all.

I'm with you on this. I think if someone would answer the questions around MLE's and PCM's, we could figure it out ourselves. And I don't have any idea what "eratstats.csv" is.

This has been the most frustrating topic for me and it was the main reason I put OOTP 2006 away without ever having played a single season.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ctorg

In terms of years, though, 1969 might be the year for you.

1969 is good for another reason. It's the first year there were divisions.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

As I mentioned in a previous thread, NO ONE is exactly sure how MLEs and PCMs work. It sounds like, in order to play a 1980's type league for eternity, one doesn't have to change these values at all. However, one much manually go into an eratstats.csv (?) file and copy this input to all future seasons to attempt to do this. Even then, ctorg says that there may be anomalies.

I find this whole scenario hard to digest. The development team touts the game's flexibility, and people speak of things such as all-girl leagues, the ability to have a league based in imperial-era Kampuchea as a feeder league for a street-gang league in South Central LA, and yet something which should be relatively simple requires manual editing and may or may not work. Multiply that by the confusion in the user base on how to even approach this and I'm left scratching my head.

Kemp and I are disturbed by this as well. I am especially disturbed by the lack of direct feedback to direct questions.

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

Just a note: there are two scenarios here. 1) I want to import league history up to 1980 and replay the 1980's and each subsequent decade, but maintain 1980s baseball in perpetuity. 2) the other way I want this to work is start a brand-new 2007 fictional league and have them play 1980's baseball in perpetuity.

Markus, Steve, et al - would you please address this issue and Craig's two scenarios above? Some of us are very concerned about this. Thank you.

[The Wolf]

Oh, and double dola, Craig, since the Khmer Empire fell around the 15th Century, you just can't have an imperial-era Kampuchean feeder team. Sorry about that.

[Elendil]

This new feature seems to be the solution:
Fictional Historical Leagues in OOTP 2007

[fauteuil7]

Originally Posted by Elendil

This new feature seems to be the solution:
Fictional Historical Leagues in OOTP 2007

That looks promising, but since it's a fictional league, won't the stats kind of wander off into ridiculousness in a few years and give me results like my league's 93 homers for Russel Branyan or Sammy Sosa with 208 RBI?

I am going to try editing the erastats.dat file like ctorg said and see if that does it for me.

At the very least, I'm glad that I'm not the only one frustrated by this. What bugs me is that there is a feature right there in the game (the MLE's and I suppose also the player creation modifiers) that, when you look at it, appears like it should do exactly what you think it should, so you blithely go along and start your league, throw lots of time into what should be an enjoyable hobby, and end up having Ken Phelps hitting 65 homers in 1988, ruining not just the realism (which would be one thing), but also your faith in the game as being easily customizable like the corporate line says.

If changing a data file works, great, but it's unreasonable to ask the player to mess around with the game's data files to do what Old Time Baseball let ya do in 1995.

[fauteuil7]

I just ran a test and it worked great, thank you ctorg. I used Lahman and didn't change anything from the default setup settings. Cecil Fielder hit 50 in 1988 for the high mark. And because it's just a copy and paste deal, I would presume that it works with any year. This is a great feature that could use a little better functionality and more attention. This game would be nothing without these forums!

[BaseballMan]

I really dont get the best era of baseball mentality. Of course everyone has their own taste and favorite way to play the game. But for me personally i dont want 1998 to come out like 1975 or 1930 like 1905. I like the changes in the game. I like seeing the game go from 30 hr hitters to 50 hr hitters.
People act as if it is only steroids that has caused the hr increase but ignore other factors such as ballpark factors, expansion, 5-man rotation vs 4-man rotation etc etc. I think every era has its flaws but i still like to see the changes in the game. As long as it doesnt change too quickly were i have 30 hr hitters in 1910 or 95 in 1998.

[fauteuil7]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I really dont get the best era of baseball mentality. Of course everyone has their own taste and favorite way to play the game. But for me personally i dont want 1998 to come out like 1975 or 1930 like 1905. I like the changes in the game. I like seeing the game go from 30 hr hitters to 50 hr hitters.
People act as if it is only steroids that has caused the hr increase but ignore other factors such as ballpark factors, expansion, 5-man rotation vs 4-man rotation etc etc. I think every era has its flaws but i still like to see the changes in the game. As long as it doesnt change too quickly were i have 30 hr hitters in 1910 or 95 in 1998.

You misunderstand me...I want to be able to play from 1981 to 1991 with realistic results, which isn't what was happening for me. And I'm sorry I used "Steroid Era" which I thought was an accepted term for baseball in the 90's, if for no other reason than it sounds better than "The Smaller Ballpark/Diluted Pitching/Overexpansion/Pitcher Specialization Era". I don't care about the minutia of baseball enough to argue for a "best" era, I just want to play an enjoyable game that accurately represents the era I choose to play in, which wasn't possible for me without editing program files.

Oh, and Red Green is awesome.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by fauteuil7

You misunderstand me...I want to be able to play from 1981 to 1991 with realistic results, which isn't what was happening for me. And I'm sorry I used "Steroid Era" which I thought was an accepted term for baseball in the 90's, if for no other reason than it sounds better than "The Smaller Ballpark/Diluted Pitching/Overexpansion/Pitcher Specialization Era". I don't care about the minutia of baseball enough to argue for a "best" era, I just want to play an enjoyable game that accurately represents the era I choose to play in, which wasn't possible for me without editing program files.

Oh, and Red Green is awesome.

Oh you should play the game anyway that is enjoyable to you. I can understand getting realistic results from 81-91 but i was just making an observation as far as the eras go and not really referring to your style of play. I just was pointing out that as far the steroid era goes we might need to adjust for the other factors to get to accurately represent the era. Not just boost pwer hitting and call it the steroid era. Yeah i prefer the players to perform close to real life but i dont mind a little difference. Mostly i would like to see a player like Aaron hit 650-775 homers if he plays about the same amount of games. Of course there should be cases where he just doesnt develop but as long as he preforms close to real life 8 out of 10 times than i am happy with the era.