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Old 03-04-2007, 08:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can someone explain transactions?

I was just playing 2006 again season 2010 for the Marlins and come the end of the season I lost Volstad among others in free agency. Im English and find the whole transfer system crazy compared to what Im used to. If someone can point me in the right direction explaining why I have no money for extensions 5 seasons on the spin, then can't afford to keep Cabrera etc I would be grateful.

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I was just playing 2006 again season 2010 for the Marlins and come the end of the season I lost Volstad among others in free agency. Im English and find the whole transfer system crazy compared to what Im used to. If someone can point me in the right direction explaining why I have no money for extensions 5 seasons on the spin, then can't afford to keep Cabrera etc I would be grateful.

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Could you be more specific? Is your team making a profit? Is the amount of money you're making more than the total salary of your team?
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Not sure, its more about, in laymans terms what happens at the end of each season, what are restricted FA, FA, out of minor league options, arbitration, is it wise to sign your best players up early etc?
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Not sure, its more about, in laymans terms what happens at the end of each season, what are restricted FA, FA, out of minor league options, arbitration, is it wise to sign your best players up early etc?
Have you tried reading the Game Guide? Aside from that, if you KNOW a player is one of your best, I'd try to extend their contracts during spring training. Some will flatly refuse you, but at least them you have a full season's notice of which holes you'll have to fill. Players which are borderline you might want to wait until around the trading deadline, in case you manage to 'trade up' and no longer need them.
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Sounds pretty normal for the Marlins. They rebuild every 4 years or so because they claim they can't afford big contracts.
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Can someone explain transactions?
ESPN's Rob Neyer wrote a Transactions Primer. It's right here: http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/1999/0908/46397.html
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Jesus, your system is complicated!!!
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yeah, the football transfer system is a heck of a lot simpler. The drawback to me of that, though, is the lack of player-for-player swaps. These make for the best post facto discussion in the real sport and some of the most agonizing sim decisions.
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Blame the player's union and the owners.

It's a fine line between players having free agency (and able to sign for the largest $$$), but only limited players per season (to create their own version of scarcity) and owners, who want to keep their players without having to pay them anything.
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Jesus, your system is complicated!!!
No, I don't think it's really all that complicated. Though I'm sure it must certainly seem so at first glance, especially if you're not used to it. Once you read the rules and have digested for enough time what they have to say, they cease to seem overly complicated.

Another aspect to consider is that the present system has evolved over a considerable period of time.

You may also want to try this site for some information on various items: http://www.mlb4u.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
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No, I don't think it's really all that complicated. Though I'm sure it must certainly seem so at first glance, especially if you're not used to it. Once you read the rules and have digested for enough time what they have to say, they cease to seem overly complicated.

Another aspect to consider is that the present system has evolved over a considerable period of time.

You may also want to try this site for some information on various items: http://www.mlb4u.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
Are you actually saying that the whole waiver/options/promotion/minor league free agency/Rule 5 maelstrom is easy if you just read the rules a couple times? I've spent as much time trying to understand baseball transaction rules as I did on Electromagnetic Field Theory, and I still get confused.
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Are you actually saying that the whole waiver/options/promotion/minor league free agency/Rule 5 maelstrom is easy if you just read the rules a couple times? I've spent as much time trying to understand baseball transaction rules as I did on Electromagnetic Field Theory, and I still get confused.
The basis of the rules are easy, I'm pretty sure you know the basis on waivers, trades, free agency, etc.. It's when you get to the complicated things like who is exposed to the Rule 5 Draft, which players can be revocable waived, etc. that makes things complicated.
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EM field theory is more consistent and actually makes sense.
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No, I don't think it's really all that complicated. Though I'm sure it must certainly seem so at first glance, especially if you're not used to it. Once you read the rules and have digested for enough time what they have to say, they cease to seem overly complicated.

Another aspect to consider is that the present system has evolved over a considerable period of time.

You may also want to try this site for some information on various items: http://www.mlb4u.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
Thanks for this, Im not being hard on the system, it is just bloody odd, I like the idea someone gave earlier about the endless debates that come up over trades, I can totally understand that. I used to hate the American systems, draft picks where the worst team gets first pic.

I used to think that basically you penalised success, having said that, Im so frigging bored of football in Europe and watching the rich get richer and the poor getting poorer, great players joining up to be bit parts for top $£. It makes me sick the way billionaires buy a team and slaughter the system.
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It makes me sick the way billionaires buy a team and slaughter the system.
That never happens in baseball *COUGHYANKEESCOUGH*.
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Are you actually saying that the whole waiver/options/promotion/minor league free agency/Rule 5 maelstrom is easy if you just read the rules a couple times?
No, not easy. But it does become more comprehensible.

I think of the transaction rules as being rather like a foreign language. When you're first learning it, it's a real struggle and much of the vocabulary and grammar will seem quite strange. But as you spend more time with it, it begins to sink in and the pieces begin to fit together. You start to understand the language more intuitively.

That's been my experience anyway. I know when I first read some of the rules, I couldn't make heads or tails out of most of them. Now, it makes a lot more sense, so much so that I can now begin wrapping my mind around the more obscure rules.
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If it tells you anything most MLB teams have at least one guy whose sole job is to make sure they don't do anything stupid with regards to the transaction rules.
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It makes me sick the way billionaires buy a team and slaughter the system.
That never happens in baseball *COUGHMARLINSCOUGH*.
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