Non-roster invitees

haveband · 03-06-2007, 12:20 AM

Had a quick question. Does the game allow for the signing of non roster players that we can use during the spring training period? I remember asking for this in 2006 and one of the testers mentioned back then that this was something they had talked about for '07.

hb

Raidergoo · 03-06-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by haveband

Had a quick question. Does the game allow for the signing of non roster players that we can use during the spring training period? I remember asking for this in 2006 and one of the testers mentioned back then that this was something they had talked about for '07.

hb

This is lacking, not for lack of trying, though.

Gambo · 03-06-2007, 12:47 AM

Personally I would love this feature. But of course, I can dream.

haveband · 03-06-2007, 12:59 AM

yeah, i think it'd been a good feature to add.. Any reason why its not in, is this something that could be very difficult to code in?

hb

Le Grande Orange · 03-06-2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambo

Personally I would love this feature. But of course, I can dream.

It's going on my list of additional rule option suggestions for next year (and what a big list of suggestions that will end up being I suspect). I think it's needed to make roster management smoother and more realistic for those players so inclined to use such an option.

mgom27 · 03-06-2007, 10:14 AM

It wouldn't be hard to add because NHL Eastside Hockey Manager had invite Players for Try Out.
You would also want Split Squad Games,Spring Training Stadiums/Domes and what else happens in Spring Training that's not in the games

chimanbj · 03-06-2007, 10:47 AM

But if we can't play the spring training games, what's the point? Just set your depth charts so that the backup plays every 2nd game. That should give a decent number of spring starts to everyone.

BruceM · 03-06-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mgom27

It wouldn't be hard to add because NHL Eastside Hockey Manager had invite Players for Try Out.

EHM is a totally different game and has different coding, so it's not that simple.

I do agree it would be nice to have non-roster invitees and split squad games.

JTSMOOTH · 03-07-2007, 05:50 PM

The game doesn't currently work correctly with the 40 man roster players in Spring Training, so I doubt non-roster invitees will be apart of the game until that aspect is fixed.

chimanbj · 03-08-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

The game doesn't currently work correctly with the 40 man roster players in Spring Training, so I doubt non-roster invitees will be apart of the game until that aspect is fixed.

Are you referring to the "options" issues?

JTSMOOTH · 03-08-2007, 02:45 PM

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Are you referring to the "options" issues?

Yup.

Another issue with the 40 man roster(at least in 2006), is when rosters expand to 40 in septemeber, but then teams have to cut back to 25 at the start of the playoffs, which is forcing teams to waive players they should not have to.

The roster limit on the big league club should remain at 40 from Sept 1st through opening day the following season. The playoff teams then select their 25 man playoff roster from those 40 players, they should not have to waive or send anyone back down to the minor league level at the start of the playoffs.

I dont have access to the 2007 version, so maybe that was fixed, but I'm assuming it was not since I have not seen anything regarding that...

Assos · 03-08-2007, 02:52 PM

Exactly, it is annoying having to keep a guy you want to keep for next year, but have to send him down to keep him off the playoff roster.

disposableheros · 03-08-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

I dont have access to the 2007 version, so maybe that was fixed, but I'm assuming it was not since I have not seen anything regarding that...

you are correct, this has not been fixed.

CobaltJays · 03-08-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

you are correct, this has not been fixed.

Put me down as wanting this one fixed as well. If the 40-man roster/minor league free agency issues aren't fixed, I'm not going to be very happy on the 23rd.

skywalkr2 · 03-08-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Yup.

Another issue with the 40 man roster(at least in 2006), is when rosters expand to 40 in septemeber, but then teams have to cut back to 25 at the start of the playoffs, which is forcing teams to waive players they should not have to.

This is BY FAR my biggest gripe with the current game. I HATE having to keep players out of Spring Training and September call ups because of this.

Solonor · 03-08-2007, 03:57 PM

Grrrrr. We just went over this in another thread, and I told everyone that it was "fixed" in 2007 that you would not have to waive players to send them back to the minors after Spring Training, and SOMEONE HERE proved that this was not accurate and that you DO have to waive players after spring training if they are out of options in real life. So, despite the fact that I told this person that everyone whined long and hard about the way 2006 worked, he made it very clear that the way 2006 handles it is correct and players are both supposed to use up an option year and go through waivers after spring training if they are out of options, and I reported the fix as a bug and Markus reverted it back to the way 2006 works (plus the waivers thing, which it didn't do)!!!!! Argh!!! Make up your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solonor · 03-08-2007, 05:44 PM

Minor League options in 2007?

CobaltJays · 03-08-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

Argh!!! Make up your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please note that this is a separate (albeit related) issue from the one you mentioned WRT spring training. From JTSMOOTH's post in this thread:

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The roster limit on the big league club should remain at 40 from Sept 1st through opening day the following season. The playoff teams then select their 25 man playoff roster from those 40 players, they should not have to waive or send anyone back down to the minor league level at the start of the playoffs.

To the best of my knowledge this is how it works in real life. The other bug had teams not optioning players at the end of spring training, but this one deals with players being optioned unnecessarily at the end of the season. If the spring training bug is quashed, for the most part this is a non-issue. However, if you have a situation where a player who is out of options is added to the 40-man roster at the start of September, I don't believe a team should be required to option him back down to the minors at the start of the playoffs since a separate roster is used for the playoffs. The best way to deal with this one would be the addition of playoff rosters (which is something I've wanted for a while).

I'm not 100% certain on this one, but I know someone who can give me a definitive answer one way or another. I'll E-Mail him tomorrow to find out for sure.

Stu · 03-08-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CobaltJays

However, if you have a situation where a player who is out of options is added to the 40-man roster at the start of September, I don't believe a team should be required to option him back down to the minors at the start of the playoffs since a separate roster is used for the playoffs. The best way to deal with this one would be the addition of playoff rosters (which is something I've wanted for a while).

I'm not 100% certain on this one, but I know someone who can give me a definitive answer one way or another. I'll E-Mail him tomorrow to find out for sure.

I agree. You shouldn't need to make a decision on that player until the following spring training ends.

Leaving the active roster limit at 40 during the off-season only fixes part of the issue. You'd also need to make teams add their entire 40 man roster to the active roster in order to force them to clear waivers at the start of the regular season if they are out of options.

Solonor · 03-08-2007, 06:40 PM

OK, see I was getting mixed up, because I thought that some on this thread were complaining that you had to put players who are out of options through waivers at the end of spring training--which is exactly what I asked Markus to do in one of the two TT's I put through at the end of the referenced discussion.

To recap them again (for those who don't want to go to the other thread):

1. At the end of spring training, when you trim your roster back, every player who will wind up in the minors should use up an option year. If the player is out of option years, then he must go through irrevocable waivers. (Basically, make it work like 2006 with the waivers loophole fixed.)

2. When a player becomes eligible for minor league free agency, he should be "protected" as long as he is on the team's 40-man roster.

Both of these issues were fixed immediately, and I tested them both. So, I know they work that way now in 2007.

As for the issue of whether you have to put someone through waivers after September call-up, I'm not sure. I will look at that tonight. I would suspect that you do, since like you said, the rosters are not a constant 40 through the offseason. I will check it, though.

03-06-2007, 12:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
haveband Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 92	Non-roster invitees Had a quick question. Does the game allow for the signing of non roster players that we can use during the spring training period? I remember asking for this in 2006 and one of the testers mentioned back then that this was something they had talked about for '07. hb

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mgom27 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 918	It wouldn't be hard to add because NHL Eastside Hockey Manager had invite Players for Try Out. You would also want Split Squad Games,Spring Training Stadiums/Domes and what else happens in Spring Training that's not in the games __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

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chimanbj All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 705	But if we can't play the spring training games, what's the point? Just set your depth charts so that the backup plays every 2nd game. That should give a decent number of spring starts to everyone. __________________ People ask if I'm a Cubs or White Sox fan...I tell them, proudly, I'm a Phillies Phan!

03-07-2007, 05:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
JTSMOOTH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 149	:) The game doesn't currently work correctly with the 40 man roster players in Spring Training, so I doubt non-roster invitees will be apart of the game until that aspect is fixed.

03-06-2007, 12:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
haveband Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 92	yeah, i think it'd been a good feature to add.. Any reason why its not in, is this something that could be very difficult to code in? hb

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Assos All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 580	Exactly, it is annoying having to keep a guy you want to keep for next year, but have to send him down to keep him off the playoff roster.

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Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando Posts: 3,002	Grrrrr. We just went over this in another thread, and I told everyone that it was "fixed" in 2007 that you would not have to waive players to send them back to the minors after Spring Training, and SOMEONE HERE proved that this was not accurate and that you DO have to waive players after spring training if they are out of options in real life. So, despite the fact that I told this person that everyone whined long and hard about the way 2006 worked, he made it very clear that the way 2006 handles it is correct and players are both supposed to use up an option year and go through waivers after spring training if they are out of options, and I reported the fix as a bug and Markus reverted it back to the way 2006 works (plus the waivers thing, which it didn't do)!!!!! Argh!!! Make up your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ SGCBL Commissioner "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams Last edited by Solonor : 03-08-2007 at 03:58 PM.

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Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando Posts: 3,002	Minor League options in 2007? __________________ SGCBL Commissioner "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

03-08-2007, 06:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando Posts: 3,002	OK, see I was getting mixed up, because I thought that some on this thread were complaining that you had to put players who are out of options through waivers at the end of spring training--which is exactly what I asked Markus to do in one of the two TT's I put through at the end of the referenced discussion. To recap them again (for those who don't want to go to the other thread): 1. At the end of spring training, when you trim your roster back, every player who will wind up in the minors should use up an option year. If the player is out of option years, then he must go through irrevocable waivers. (Basically, make it work like 2006 with the waivers loophole fixed.) 2. When a player becomes eligible for minor league free agency, he should be "protected" as long as he is on the team's 40-man roster. Both of these issues were fixed immediately, and I tested them both. So, I know they work that way now in 2007. As for the issue of whether you have to put someone through waivers after September call-up, I'm not sure. I will look at that tonight. I would suspect that you do, since like you said, the rosters are not a constant 40 through the offseason. I will check it, though. __________________ SGCBL Commissioner "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

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