Tell me about the recalculate function.

Fibonacci · 03-10-2007, 09:58 AM

I was curious about how the recalculate function works. I will use recalculate every 3 years as an example for the sake of simplicity, although I realize that that is not the only option.

1) Every 3 years, does it recalculate a player's ratings based on that exact year, on a 3 year average, or on the player's entire real life career?
2) How does the recalculate function deal with players with gaps in their ML service, such as Ted Williams had during WWII & Korea?
3) Does it recalculate degense and speed, or just offense ratings onnon-pitchers?

Jestre · 03-10-2007, 11:18 AM

Also how does player recalc work in conjunction with league totals recalc. Will the league totals and/or the player stats get mucked up if you recalc both the players and the league totals each season.

JHruska · 03-10-2007, 01:01 PM

I've been assuming that it will recalc theirratings every year, but that it will do so with the current year as the center of the span. I.E., if you're using the 3-year setting, everyone's ratings in 1923 will be a composite of their actual stats from 1922-1924.

Fibonacci · 03-10-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JHruska

I've been assuming that it will recalc theirratings every year, but that it will do so with the current year as the center of the span. I.E., if you're using the 3-year setting, everyone's ratings in 1923 will be a composite of their actual stats from 1922-1924.

Is your assumption based on playing the game, or like me trying to glean info from what the testers write here?

JHruska · 03-10-2007, 07:57 PM

The latter. I'm not a tester.

Curtis · 03-11-2007, 03:25 AM

And how does it work at the start of a career? If you're doing a five year recalc, how is that done when the player is in his first or second season?

Markus Heinsohn · 03-11-2007, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHruska

I've been assuming that it will recalc theirratings every year, but that it will do so with the current year as the center of the span. I.E., if you're using the 3-year setting, everyone's ratings in 1923 will be a composite of their actual stats from 1922-1924.

Exactly!

Also, when there are gaps in the real life stats or a player retired in real life, then the OOTP development code takes control for that time...

Markus Heinsohn · 03-11-2007, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

And how does it work at the start of a career? If you're doing a five year recalc, how is that done when the player is in his first or second season?

Well, then it's only his 1st, the first 2 or the first 3.

rasnell · 03-11-2007, 06:28 AM

All I can say as a beta tester is that the default setting of three-year recalc and league modifiers on are the most significant achievements that Markus has made with OOTP 2007.

We now get repeatedly solid results for the single season leaderboards and career and league totals that are about right.

There are still some debates for perfection as to development and when players age and decline, but the heart and soul of a good baseball sim is to see 61 HR not occur until sometime after 1961 and only .400 hitters who really could do it.

OOTP 2007 is not a good simulator on those points -- it is GREAT.

The neatest thing is that historical players who really did start as starters and then became relievers will make that transition with recalc on -- Mariano Rivera is a good example. I thought something was wrong when he imported as a starting pitcher. But look at his real life stats in his rookie season. Recalc changed him automatically to a reliever in the subsequent seasons.

I think the game is simming so accurately that you're going to have to have a house rule not to look at the real-life stats (now included in the player profile when you import the Lahman, Arod/Garlon, Gambo or any other third-party database).

The Wolf · 03-11-2007, 01:24 PM

That's really encouraging.

Kelric · 03-11-2007, 08:30 PM

It'll be a shame to see Tony Conigliaro's production get beaned, even if he doesn't in the sim. Fun, but a shame.

03-10-2007, 09:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fibonacci Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 259	Tell me about the recalculate function. I was curious about how the recalculate function works. I will use recalculate every 3 years as an example for the sake of simplicity, although I realize that that is not the only option. 1) Every 3 years, does it recalculate a player's ratings based on that exact year, on a 3 year average, or on the player's entire real life career? 2) How does the recalculate function deal with players with gaps in their ML service, such as Ted Williams had during WWII & Korea? 3) Does it recalculate degense and speed, or just offense ratings onnon-pitchers? __________________ It is not certain that everything is uncertain. - Blaise Pascal

03-10-2007, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 539	Also how does player recalc work in conjunction with league totals recalc. Will the league totals and/or the player stats get mucked up if you recalc both the players and the league totals each season. __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers" MLBC

03-11-2007, 06:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,674	All I can say as a beta tester is that the default setting of three-year recalc and league modifiers on are the most significant achievements that Markus has made with OOTP 2007. We now get repeatedly solid results for the single season leaderboards and career and league totals that are about right. There are still some debates for perfection as to development and when players age and decline, but the heart and soul of a good baseball sim is to see 61 HR not occur until sometime after 1961 and only .400 hitters who really could do it. OOTP 2007 is not a good simulator on those points -- it is GREAT. The neatest thing is that historical players who really did start as starters and then became relievers will make that transition with recalc on -- Mariano Rivera is a good example. I thought something was wrong when he imported as a starting pitcher. But look at his real life stats in his rookie season. Recalc changed him automatically to a reliever in the subsequent seasons. I think the game is simming so accurately that you're going to have to have a house rule not to look at the real-life stats (now included in the player profile when you import the Lahman, Arod/Garlon, Gambo or any other third-party database). __________________ Author of new book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs," to be published by Wind Publications and available to public by Opening Day 2009. Charlie Root is remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth in the 1932 World Series. But baseball's biggest lie has overshadowed the career of the winningest pitcher in Cub history. Beta tester, OOTP 2007/08/09. Commissioner in fast-paced, historical Arcanum Baseball League. Member, Society for American Baseball Research. Last edited by rasnell : 03-11-2007 at 06:31 AM.

03-11-2007, 01:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
The Wolf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Baying at the moon Posts: 3,434	That's really encouraging. __________________ __________________ "The main problem we face is that when it's 8 AM in London and 3 AM in New York and midnight in L.A., it's still 1968 to Democrats and 1566 in the Middle East."

03-11-2007, 08:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,085	It'll be a shame to see Tony Conigliaro's production get beaned, even if he doesn't in the sim. Fun, but a shame. __________________ Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-40). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1029-665, .607% (1930-40). 1930-34, '36-40, American League Eastern Division Champions (10/11). 1936, 1937, 1939. 1940 American League Champions (4/10). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/4). 138-104, .570% vs. the New York Yankees.

03-10-2007, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
JHruska Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: TN Posts: 133	I've been assuming that it will recalc theirratings every year, but that it will do so with the current year as the center of the span. I.E., if you're using the 3-year setting, everyone's ratings in 1923 will be a composite of their actual stats from 1922-1924.

03-10-2007, 07:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
JHruska Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: TN Posts: 133	The latter. I'm not a tester.

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