I feel I must publicly say this

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by BruceM

I respect your opinion, please return the courtesy. It's very fair to say I was fooled once by SI. They didn't come close to delivering on what was promised, especially after all the hype.

They can hype 2007 all they like, same as they did 2006. I won't be fooled again this year.

Well, to be fair, the only people who are hyping the game are the lucky droves who have actually been able to play it (myself included) now, the fact that they deliberately sent out previews to people who were miffed about last year, and these are the same people who are praising the game should at least soften your approach a little, one would think.

I'm surprised you didn't get a preview, come to think of it.

Either way, I do hope that 2007 brings you back!

Cheers!

[spleen1015]

Fanboy

[fhomess]

I really don't think it's our job to convince people like Bruce that he has to make up his mind before he sees it. It sounds like he's approaching the game with an open mind and will check out the demo. Isn't that what we want? For those of us who are beta testers or got a preview version, that's essentially what happened for us. So if we like it, it's because we've seen it. Don't take it as an insult because someone doesn't trust your word enough to plunk down $35 bucks sight unseen.

FWIW, I hated 2006 and like 2007, but I also know that with all of the new features and fixes put into the game, it's not going to be bug free on release day. Every piece of software has bugs when it's released. Even without bugs, some will like it, some won't. That's their right. I think 2007 really does take the series to new heights. I think most people who are fans of the series will end up feeling the same way. But it's certainly within their right to poke around in the demo first.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by fhomess

I really don't think it's our job to convince people like Bruce that he has to make up his mind before he sees it. It sounds like he's approaching the game with an open mind and will check out the demo. Isn't that what we want? For those of us who are beta testers or got a preview version, that's essentially what happened for us. So if we like it, it's because we've seen it. Don't take it as an insult because someone doesn't trust your word enough to plunk down $35 bucks sight unseen.

FWIW, I hated 2006 and like 2007, but I also know that with all of the new features and fixes put into the game, it's not going to be bug free on release day. Every piece of software has bugs when it's released. Even without bugs, some will like it, some won't. That's their right. I think 2007 really does take the series to new heights. I think most people who are fans of the series will end up feeling the same way. But it's certainly within their right to poke around in the demo first.

Precisely - I'm old school and believe the proof is in the pudding. Believe me, if I'm impressed with the game, I'll be just as big a supporter as I am a skeptic.

[battists]

Originally Posted by fhomess

FWIW, I hated 2006 and like 2007, but I also know that with all of the new features and fixes put into the game, it's not going to be bug free on release day. Every piece of software has bugs when it's released. Even without bugs, some will like it, some won't. That's their right. I think 2007 really does take the series to new heights. I think most people who are fans of the series will end up feeling the same way. But it's certainly within their right to poke around in the demo first.

This is dead on.

We've seen a few people in the preview forum who flat-out don't see anything that will change their minds compared to 2006. It's up to them if they want to post here for discussion. We've seen a few non-preview people on the board who felt the same way after seeing the feature list (MorseMoose comes to mind).

For those of us who like 2007, that's surprising, and it's interesting to try to understand what's missing.

It's hardly Nostradamus material, but I predict there will be people after the launch who:

a. still can't get past the interface
b. appreciate the improvements but still just don't like it as much as 6.5
c. are profoundly disappointed that certain things still aren't in the game, or weren't changed from 2006
d. run into some technical glitch that sours them on the game

Hopefully, of course, 2008 will bring even more of those people back into the fold, but our goal isn't to force people to enjoy the game, or to force people to "admit that it's good."

It should be an interesting few weeks right after launch, as always.

[ifspuds]

Reading all this makes me wonder if I'm one of about seven people that haven't gotten a preview yet.

Ah well, it's only a week and a half til release. I can wait.

FWIW, I didn't like 2006 either. I gave it another shot recently with a dynasty thread I just ended due to impending lack of time, and I can start to see how I might be able to get into it given a little more time, so I'm feeling pretty positive about 2007 (which I preordered despite my irritations with 2006, because I'm weak-willed that way).

[Cooleyvol]

In a very few minutes, using the default FaceGen stuff in the game, you can create stuff such as this:

I can't wait for mods to create some real 1908 caps, etc. to make them even more realistic.

[BballDoc]

I was going to post this question in a new thread but this looks like a good place....

Now, from what I understand, in order for you to use the Face Gen software on your computer to generate the images you must have a 3D card. (I don't). So....

1. If someone else "generates" the images can I import them into by game and then use them?

2. Is FaceGen just for the faces or can it do the jerseys and caps as well? If not, then how is everyone making the jerseys and caps? I think the jerseys, team logos, and caps are a great way to personalize my Fictional League - give each team there own identity so to speak....

Sorry for what may be repeat questions but I'm kind of new to OOTP. I messed with 2006 a little bit but got turned off by the interface and menu navigation.

[Cooleyvol]

FaceGen does the entire image. As for the other question, I'll let someone else answer that one.

[masoo]

Originally Posted by battists

It's hardly Nostradamus material, but I predict there will be people after the launch who:

a. still can't get past the interface
b. appreciate the improvements but still just don't like it as much as 6.5
c. are profoundly disappointed that certain things still aren't in the game, or weren't changed from 2006
d. run into some technical glitch that sours them on the game

As someone who has been playing ChampMan/FM since the 20th century (and OOTP since the beginning, for that matter), I can say the above is probably going to be exactly true. Because it's been true for every release of CM/FM, as well. Eventually, certain versions become beloved and others less so ... I certainly get the feeling OOTP 2007 is going to be a favorite (non-preview person speaking), but we'll see. Most of us think that CM/FM is overall better now than before ... there is some nostalgia for older versions, but the additions to the game over time are too good to ignore. I think the same will be true of OOTP. But there are still some people out there who believe that an older version of CM/FM was the best, and more power to 'em.

Point being only that, even if OOTP 2007 is the best version, ever, it won't be loved by everyone. And, if the CM/FM analogy holds true, there will indeed be some technical glitch that only happens to one person in a thousand, but which Markus won't be able to fix right away, and that one in a thousand will feel that they've been cheated. No right or wrong in that one.

[SandMan]

Reading through this forum and seeing the screen shots of the new version, I find myself thinking that I will have to get the demo and see if it is as great as the game seems. If it is I will surely put my $35.00 down for the game.

I have been away from the boards for a bit and was surprised on all the nice new features that 2007 will have over 2006. Markus has done a great job with this product in the past and it appears that he has another winner on his hands with 2007.

Looking forward to playing this new version.

Regards,

Steve

[fhomess]

Originally Posted by BballDoc

1. If someone else "generates" the images can I import them into by game and then use them?

Yes. This would work just like a face pack that you would use real life images from MLB when doing a historical league. The images all get saved as separate files so you can move them to whatever league you like. IMO, it'd be a lot less work to simply use real MLB photos, though.

Originally Posted by BballDoc

2. Is FaceGen just for the faces or can it do the jerseys and caps as well? If not, then how is everyone making the jerseys and caps? I think the jerseys, team logos, and caps are a great way to personalize my Fictional League - give each team there own identity so to speak....

The facegen component generates the jerseys and caps, too, based on images you supply with the logos.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by SandMan

I find myself thinking that I will have to get the demo and see if it is as great as the game seems. If it is I will surely put my $35.00 down for the game.

I have been away from the boards for a bit and was surprised on all the nice new features that 2007 will have over 2006. Markus has done a great job with this product in the past and it appears that he has another winner on his hands with 2007.

Great to see you back around, SandMan. There's a noticeable hole in the roster list when you're out. Here's hoping you find that level of immersion and challenge of the past. Of course part of that challenge was successfully getting all the various mods to work or work together correctly, Cato notwithstanding.

Looking forward to your findings and contributions.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by SandMan

I have been away from the boards for a bit…

Enter SandMan…

[SandMan]

Originally Posted by endgame

Great to see you back around, SandMan. There's a noticeable hole in the roster list when you're out. Here's hoping you find that level of immersion and challenge of the past. Of course part of that challenge was successfully getting all the various mods to work or work together correctly, Cato notwithstanding.

Looking forward to your findings and contributions.

Glad to be back my old friend. Not that you are old - but we go back a bit with this great game. I am truly looking forward to this game and have noticed a lot of new names on the boards making some nice mods for the game. I hope to catch up a bit and be able to contribute again. I did miss the action.

[SandMan]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Enter SandMan…

Wait!!! Please folks don't leave....

Seriously, Glad to be back and hope to be able to contribute to this great community in some small way. It is truly amazing to see the new members and the great logos and mods that they are creating. This game truly ROCKS!!!!! This community ROCKS!!!!

[Autism Speaks]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Enter SandMan…

Great...now I have Metallica stuck in my head!

[robster1225]

Good to here, Cooley!

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by Autism Speaks

Great...now I have Metallica stuck in my head!

all we need is this guy to show up and we've got an album going

[ChuckkieB]

Originally Posted by Autism Speaks

Great...now I have Metallica stuck in my head!

Nothing wrong with that.