Senior Leagues.

jtb · 03-14-2007, 11:42 PM

I am not sure if any of the testers have tried this but,
I am planning on at some point in the unfolding of my universe (probably in the 1970's) to include a senior pro league for older players and retired MLB players. Can I set an age parameter minimum of say age 44 and up?

Curtis · 03-15-2007, 12:00 AM

You can, but it won't work. One of the beta posters said that even a 35 age minimum didn't work well because the game isn't set up to create players that old. Also, the way the aging system works, maybe one player in a thousand will be not yet retired by age 44. Maybe in 2008.

jtb · 03-15-2007, 12:06 AM

Thanks Curtis.
Not a huge deal, I just thought it would be cool for some of the oldtimers to have a place to extend their Baseball careers.

Curtis · 03-15-2007, 12:13 AM

Okay, if you're not creating players for the league, but using ex-major and AAA players, you might be able to support a very small league from a pretty large base of teams. And I'm told you can unretire players for a year, but they'll just retire again at the end of the season. If you're willing to be flexible on your minimum age, it might be doable.

jtb · 03-15-2007, 12:21 AM

I'll give it a go when the game is out.
Thanks again man.

No Pepper · 03-15-2007, 12:53 AM

Hasn't it been said/shown that aging modifiers do nothing to extend the career span of players. That is, they don't have age effects during their career but still retire around 35-40ish as if that age range is hardcoded?

Curtis · 03-15-2007, 04:47 AM

Under 2006, adjusting the aging modifiers, even extremely, could maybe buy you two years, probably less. Add another one for unretirement, and maybe you can do something with this. If it works, and if 2007 has a greater result from adjusting the modifiers, I hope one of you will let us know.

ctorg · 03-15-2007, 07:53 AM

I'm planning on giving the 35+ league a try with just a few teams. I would think that there should be enough 35-year-old major league has-beens to fill four or six teams. If not, I'll drop the age down a bit. I'm big on the idea, so I'll find a way to make it work.

Curtis · 03-15-2007, 12:49 PM

I would think a 35+ league should go. I have 261 unretired players out of 3207 at 35+ in my Oriental universe. I have 0 at 44+.

enuttage · 06-24-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Also, the way the aging system works, maybe one player in a thousand will be not yet retired by age 44.

Is this still the case?

I'm pondering tweaking the modifiers to allow for folks upwards of 50 to continue playing in a short-season (~75 games) city league.

If I'm just spinning my wheels, it'd be good to know now and not ten seasons in.

edit: Should add that this would not specifically be a 'Senior League' per se, but I would like to see an unusually (by professional standards) large range of player ages.

ctorg · 06-25-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I'm planning on giving the 35+ league a try with just a few teams. I would think that there should be enough 35-year-old major league has-beens to fill four or six teams. If not, I'll drop the age down a bit. I'm big on the idea, so I'll find a way to make it work.

I actually got this to work, though I didn't play out the league for very long (about 5-6 seasons before I moved on to a new idea). I was able to keep the rosters filled (although I had to start it with a bunch of old guys who had never played in the majors).

enuttage · 06-25-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I actually got this to work, though I didn't play out the league for very long (about 5-6 seasons before I moved on to a new idea). I was able to keep the rosters filled (although I had to start it with a bunch of old guys who had never played in the majors).

What was the oldest age you were seeing after those 5-6 seasons?

ctorg · 06-25-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by enuttage

What was the oldest age you were seeing after those 5-6 seasons?

Same as regular MLB, if I recall. Generally guys played just a couple of years and retired. I only had four teams in the senior league with a 32-team major league, so that's why it wasn't hard keeping it filled. Basically, old guys who might have signed minor league deals went to the senior league instead.

I actually thought having a senior league worked better than having independent minor leagues generally works, since it doesn't matter as much if a guy signs a multi-year deal that keeps him out of the majors.

enuttage · 06-25-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Same as regular MLB, if I recall. Generally guys played just a couple of years and retired. I only had four teams in the senior league with a 32-team major league, so that's why it wasn't hard keeping it filled. Basically, old guys who might have signed minor league deals went to the senior league instead.

I actually thought having a senior league worked better than having independent minor leagues generally works, since it doesn't matter as much if a guy signs a multi-year deal that keeps him out of the majors.

Thanks, hotdog man.

ctorg · 06-25-2007, 10:10 AM

Another thing was that I didn't have an amateur draft, so the game would create senior free agents who had reached some level of ability already to replace retirees. I wish I'd paid a bit more attention to that, but I was concerned with other parts of the universe at the time.

enuttage · 06-25-2007, 10:22 AM

I think I'm going to just crank down my modifiers to .100 and see what happens after a half-decade or so.

Curtis · 07-11-2007, 08:35 AM

What was the result, enuttage? I'd like to know if it's possible to add more than a couple of years to the age of retirement in 2007, and how much you have to change the modifiers for each year you add.

enuttage · 07-18-2007, 11:59 AM

I haven't made it 'round to trying yet. Been away. However, I will definitely update here if/when I know.

03-14-2007, 11:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
jtb Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 432	Senior Leagues. I am not sure if any of the testers have tried this but, I am planning on at some point in the unfolding of my universe (probably in the 1970's) to include a senior pro league for older players and retired MLB players. Can I set an age parameter minimum of say age 44 and up?

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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,416	Another thing was that I didn't have an amateur draft, so the game would create senior free agents who had reached some level of ability already to replace retirees. I wish I'd paid a bit more attention to that, but I was concerned with other parts of the universe at the time. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

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03-15-2007, 12:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
jtb Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 432	Thanks Curtis. Not a huge deal, I just thought it would be cool for some of the oldtimers to have a place to extend their Baseball careers.

03-15-2007, 12:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
jtb Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 432	I'll give it a go when the game is out. Thanks again man.

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enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,251	I haven't made it 'round to trying yet. Been away. However, I will definitely update here if/when I know. __________________ WHBL - Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

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