There's No Snoop Dog in Baseball

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by treedom

Ooooooh! Some real nice tracks on there!

Yeah, and they come with a great baseball game as a bonus.

[glenmere14]

Correction - I have heard of Nirvana and Kurt Cobain, not a fan though.

I assume many people do as I do - put on iTunes or similar jukebox while playing OOTP?

[Curtis]

Nirvana is that Kurt Cocaine guy? I've heard OF "Smells Like Teen Spirit", but I've never heard it. I'm more Gloria Estefan and Kelly Clarkson.

[eriqjaffe]

FWIW, there is most definitely Snoop in baseball.



For me, console/arcade baseball & OOTP are both games in the same way that "The Seventh Seal" and "Airplane!" are both movies.

I play MVP 2005 pretty frequently (on the PC, I don't have a console of any type), and I make a fair amount of mods for it, but it's a completely different experience than playing OOTP - I routinely run up the score in MVP, and it's just kind of a fun, not-serious thing.

Oh, and I changed all the music in the game, too. PCs are good for that sort of thing.

[Matches]

I actually got intrigued by the new MLB game because that Nirvana song is being used in the commercials.

I guess that makes me an idiot consumer

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

I do agree with this- and it's sad- but have you tried MLB07 The Show for the PS2? Granted- it's no OOTP- but I believe it plays the most realistic brand of console/PC baseball since at least MVP 2005 and the High Heat Series...I am actually shocked at how much I enjoy it (with a little tweaking)- it really seems as if SCEA has at least tried to cater somewhat to the more dedicated baseball enthusiast.

there are ZERO cpu transactions in mbl07 during franchise, season or RTTS play - it's broken completely

fwiw mvp2005 PC modded to mvp07 is the best baseball game i've ever played, including HH and ootp

[NomarHits400]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

there are ZERO cpu transactions in mbl07 during franchise, season or RTTS play - it's broken completely

fwiw mvp2005 PC modded to mvp07 is the best baseball game i've ever played, including HH and ootp

I'll disagree with you here- yes there are no transactions as far as trades- but the CPU WILL rest it's players- and console games make riduculously stupid trades for the most part- so I don't miss that at all.

It's lineup construction AI isn't fantastic , either, when a regular sits- but again- the baseball game itself- is very solid...Which is a lot more than I can say for MLB 2K7 or any other recent console game to this point.

[Joe Canadian]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Okay, granted you can turn it off, but why is there ANY music in ANY sports game? Aside from 'Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the seventh inning stretch and "The Star-Spangled Banner" before the first pitch is thrown, sports really is not compatible with music.

Yeah I know... you never hear music at hockey or basketball games.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

Yeah I know... you never hear music at hockey or basketball games.

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic. I've never been to a hockey game, and high school basketball only has 'pep band' music while the cheerleaders are performing. The basketball and baseball telecasts don't have any music, although I know the Mets have someone play the organ before the game starts and between innings. The last time I was at Shea you couldn't hear the music over the crowd.

[Zitofan75]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Man, to miss Nirvana you must have been living on Mars.

Nahhh, the radio waves reached Mars a long time ago, same with Alpha Centauri, to have missed Nirvana he was like, way out there ... it's like those people I come across who never saw Star Wars. If there's proof aliens walk among us it's those people.

[masoo]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Okay, granted you can turn it off, but why is there ANY music in ANY sports game? Aside from 'Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the seventh inning stretch and "The Star-Spangled Banner" before the first pitch is thrown, sports really is not compatible with music.

I've been going to major league baseball games since 1958, and I can't remember a time when there wasn't music at the ballpark.

But what's really ironic is that Curtis is saying that music and sports are not compatible, while his .sig features the lyrics to "Centerfield."

[discodude5]

I was thinking about how not just baseball games but all sports games on xbox, ps2 always seemed to be lacking, not as much sim as I wanted but with the next gen systems I hoped that we would finally get games that really made you want to get deep into.

Now with next gen, the graphics are definately better/very good but there's just too much that is either broken or not sim enough in the franchise modes to keep my interest.

I also enjoy mlb the show as far as game play goes, but I hardly bother with the franchise part of it as I find it too frustrating.

Maybe ootp has spoiled us some, since console baseball feels so shallow in comparison.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Curtis

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic. I've never been to a hockey game, and high school basketball only has 'pep band' music while the cheerleaders are performing. The basketball and baseball telecasts don't have any music, although I know the Mets have someone play the organ before the game starts and between innings. The last time I was at Shea you couldn't hear the music over the crowd.

In Detroit, the Red Wings and Pistons play music after every stoppage of play, while the Tigers usually play music between innings.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by masoo

But what's really ironic is that Curtis is saying that music and sports are not compatible, while his .sig features the lyrics to "Centerfield."

Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard them play "Centerfield" at the park? I haven't.

[TNCubsFan]

At minor league parks, yes alot of music. The team takes the field to a song. Then the National Anthem. Then the Home teams walk up music. Then the visitors get a punny/corny song playing off the players name or some such for thier walk up. Then the Chicken Dance, then about the third inning or so the "vote" for the music in the fifth inning. It goes on and on and on.

At a major league game I can usually find two or three conversations with good baseball fans so that I dont really pay as much attention to what happens between innings.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard them play "Centerfield" at the park? I haven't.

Yes. It was at a Diamondbacks home game.

[AfWapo]

I completely agree with the OP here. Console baseball games have really dropped the ball on the realism of the sport.

I have stopped playing the arcade baseball games altogether. I used to be a huge fan of High Heat. I even enjoyed 2004 to an extent, after getting past the annoyances of the menu navigations and some of the horrible strategy shortcomings -- the game play was still something that felt like a real pitcher-batter match-up, to me.

I have been disappointed in the manager modes of every game since Sammy Sosa High Heat Baseball 2001! Cheeseball graphics, but man that was fun.

The MVP series? Ugh. While there have been some innovations in the game -- such as the "batter's eye" and the "pitching meter" idea -- the gameplay was still terrible. If you can throw a strike with every pitch in a baseball game, no matter what level of difficulty you've put it on, the game sucks.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the case with every game out there.

For me, I'll stick with OOTP. I was a late comer to the franchise, but once I found version 6 and 6.5, I've been hooked. I'm hoping 2007 wipes away the memories of 2006. But, if not, I'll still have good ol' 6.5!

[Matches]

Re: Sports compatible with music.

When I was a kid my friends from across the street would simulate baseball games in their backyard using their JUGS machine. When they decided to do a "World Series" they made a tape of crowd noise they recorded off the TV and I sat behind the backstop cueing up music for between innings when they would walk around and collect all the balls.

As far back as I can remember they played music in between innings at Municipal Stadium, during pitching changes and visits to the mound, etc. In recent years it's often been replaced with Jumbotron activity in the form of ads sometimes, but for my money it doesn't get any better than hearing "Hit the Road, Jack" at the stadium when a visiting team's pitcher gets pulled, or "Help!" during a conference on the mound.

In fact since those days in the backyard one of my dream jobs has always been to be the guy in charge of music at a sporting event. I have heard "Centerfield" played at major league baseball games. Nearly every player in the lineup has a selection of songs for the PA will play when he comes to bat. Music at ball games is a reality, at least in Cleveland.

[masoo]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard them play "Centerfield" at the park? I haven't.

Others have already responded, but I'll add mine, too. Yes, I've heard "Centerfield" at the park. Rarely the whole thing ... it's longer than an inning break. Then there's the part where they sample out only the opening hand-clap "whack whack whack-whack-whack whack-whack-whack-whack" to get fans excited.

As others have noted, music goes on all game long. At the Giants games, there's music during BP, music during the time before the game starts, the Anthem, intro music for every Giants batter (each hitter has at least one song, some have more ... among the more notable of recent years, Omar Vizquel often gets "Kashmir" by Led Zep, J.T. Snow gave us years and years and years and years of "Won't Get Fooled Again," Barry has several songs, etc.), music between innings (depending on who is sponsoring the music that day, you'll get anything from Motown to the Ramones to Missy Elliott), "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the 7th inning stretch, "God Bless America" before "Take Me Out" on Sundays, and music after the game (Tony Bennett if the Giants win).

When I was a kid, Del Courtney had a band out in the bleachers that played. In the later Candlestick years there was a five-piece Dixieland group that would play on occasion. And, beyond the usual celebrities doing the Anthem, you'll get the very occasional post-game concert ... can't remember any at China Basin, but at Candlestick there was the Beach Boys, Crosby Stills and Nash, musta been others.

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by masoo

When I was a kid, Del Courtney had a band out in the bleachers that played. In the later Candlestick years there was a five-piece Dixieland group that would play on occasion.

The Brooklyn Dodgers used to have a fan band, too, along with ladies with cowbells and a horn.