Markus..Please Improve The Initial Draft AI and Player Creation

bababui · 12-23-2007, 05:08 AM

Markus..the initial player draft is not working well. The Angels had the 5th overall pick in the initial allocation draft and these are the only players of the 25 drafted who can play at the ML level.

Once again, 15 pitchers were drafted and 5 closers..all the closers are crap. We have no one to play 2B and 3B..not even in the minors.

bababui · 12-23-2007, 05:11 AM

Then there is the problem of players not being assigned the proper positions by the AI. Look at this 31 year old OF who the AI determined is a CF. No way he should have been given this position. It hamstrings my team because the AI didnt give me another CFer.

bababui · 12-23-2007, 05:16 AM

The AI drafted 15 pitchers and only 10 position players. I cant believe that this issue hasnt been resolved since the release of OOTP2007. For simmers I am sure its no big deal as a season is over in 5 minutes, But for those of us who prefer to play out the games, it unbalances our teams and the league. We were also given mostly rookies (although the settings were set +2 for vets) and this means our market size is average and our revenues will be tiny. Making it difficult to turn things around.

Would you please try to improve on the initial draft AI logic for 09? Sorry for the rant, and I know I could start over or release everyone and draft again; but then I would feel like a cheater and it would ruin the game.

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satchel · 12-23-2007, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

No way he should have been given this position.

His Defensive Ratings says his "Rating at Center Field" is 17. That is clear evidence that he is qualified to be a center fielder (though he seems like he'd be better in left or right.)

bababui · 12-23-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by satchel

His Defensive Ratings says his "Rating at Center Field" is 17. That is clear evidence that he is qualified to be a center fielder (though he seems like he'd be better in left or right.)

The problem being not that he is (barely) qualified to be a CF; but the AI having drafted one 'CF' didnt give me another.

This team, drafting 32 out of 58 teams, managed to at least get a decent roster of major league player.

ctorg · 12-23-2007, 09:48 AM

You mention in the OP that there were 25 players drafted. Why was it only 25 rather than a larger draft? I believe the AI is probably drafting for both major and minor leagues in the initial draft (even if you don't have minor leagues), expecting there to be enough rounds that it can snag a couple of prospects in the earlier rounds and then go back to drafting for the major league roster.

bababui · 12-23-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

You mention in the OP that there were 25 players drafted. Why was it only 25 rather than a larger draft? I believe the AI is probably drafting for both major and minor leagues in the initial draft (even if you don't have minor leagues), expecting there to be enough rounds that it can snag a couple of prospects in the earlier rounds and then go back to drafting for the major league roster.

Ny apologies ctorg and the rest..it was very late in a long day when I typedthis and made a couple mistakes.

As you mentioned, the draft filled my MLB roster as well as 3 sets of minors. After scanning my minor league draftees and demotong the ones placed on the MLB roster, only those shown above were ready for the big leagues.

Also there were 58 teams.

What I did was grab every able and available player I could from the waiver wire and FA. But I always feel little guilty doing this because I feel it gives me a big advantage over the usually inactive AI.

One last thing; teams that draft mostly vets (with their much larger contracts) are given much larger market sizes and have a huge financial and fan support advantage over teams drafting young players. I know this has been mentioned before.

Charley575 · 12-24-2007, 12:01 AM

I agree that this is a problem. I actually put a suggestion in the suggestion threads way back asking that somehow market sizes be determined at league creation, and that all teams have a budget going into the initial draft that they must live by in the draft. Of course, this means that player contracts must also be determined pre-draft and made visible to the player and AI, but why should that be a problem? I believe it is the best way to:

A: Spread the talent around better, and
B: Make the financials more realistic. It's too easy to win right away when you start with a draft. Just draft the best players available and, POOF!!! you get a pot o' gold.

12-23-2007, 05:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,556 Warnings: 1	Then there is the problem of players not being assigned the proper positions by the AI. Look at this 31 year old OF who the AI determined is a CF. No way he should have been given this position. It hamstrings my team because the AI didnt give me another CFer. Attached Images __________________ <mcsim02> you know...one day the word pron is actually going to replace the word porn for good...and then in the year 2055 some internet geek is gonna think hes really funny by calling it 'porn' instead of 'pron'...and it will be a horrible horrible cycle

12-23-2007, 05:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,556 Warnings: 1	The AI drafted 15 pitchers and only 10 position players. I cant believe that this issue hasnt been resolved since the release of OOTP2007. For simmers I am sure its no big deal as a season is over in 5 minutes, But for those of us who prefer to play out the games, it unbalances our teams and the league. We were also given mostly rookies (although the settings were set +2 for vets) and this means our market size is average and our revenues will be tiny. Making it difficult to turn things around. Would you please try to improve on the initial draft AI logic for 09? Sorry for the rant, and I know I could start over or release everyone and draft again; but then I would feel like a cheater and it would ruin the game. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Your creations have been a major part of my gaming life for 3 years. I love the product but wish for perfection. __________________ <mcsim02> you know...one day the word pron is actually going to replace the word porn for good...and then in the year 2055 some internet geek is gonna think hes really funny by calling it 'porn' instead of 'pron'...and it will be a horrible horrible cycle

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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,416	You mention in the OP that there were 25 players drafted. Why was it only 25 rather than a larger draft? I believe the AI is probably drafting for both major and minor leagues in the initial draft (even if you don't have minor leagues), expecting there to be enough rounds that it can snag a couple of prospects in the earlier rounds and then go back to drafting for the major league roster. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

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12-24-2007, 12:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Charley575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 238	I agree that this is a problem. I actually put a suggestion in the suggestion threads way back asking that somehow market sizes be determined at league creation, and that all teams have a budget going into the initial draft that they must live by in the draft. Of course, this means that player contracts must also be determined pre-draft and made visible to the player and AI, but why should that be a problem? I believe it is the best way to: A: Spread the talent around better, and B: Make the financials more realistic. It's too easy to win right away when you start with a draft. Just draft the best players available and, POOF!!! you get a pot o' gold.