Poof! He's gone...

[shercot]

A player in my league was just lost to a career-ending injury and subsequently released the next day. He was 25 and quite a good player with a high upside. That's all okay -- injuries happen, even bad ones. However, what's the consensus on how OOTP should handle this? Are you all okay with the way it is?

What I think I'd prefer is that such an injury is listed as "severe" at first, with a huge recovery period to look forward to, and then maybe some more recovery time is tacked on, and then the player announces his retirement. That way he's still on the payroll for however long -- dumping a guy with a career-ending injury lets a team off the hook too easily.

Thoughts?

[SandMan]

I kind of like it the way it is. Heck, I even will give useless players with a large, long term contract a CEI so that they will retire at seasons end. Yeah, I know it is cheating but it is only a game.....

[koohead]

I always edit my injury file to remove CEI's and change them to 250 or 300 day max injuries. I'm of the feeling that most players don't know right away that their career is over and will attempt a comeback. And with the Universe structure, even if the player doesn't make it back to the majors maybe he can catch on with a minor league club or an indy/foreign club.

[falkonisback]

Personally, I think players should die every once in a while...But that just my thoughts :-D

[Riverdome]

Originally Posted by falkonisback

Personally, I think players should die every once in a while...But that just my thoughts :-D

Edit the text of the injury file and this can be accomplished.

[Bonedwarf]

Care to elaborate how? (In case the file itself doesn't make it obvious.)

I still want to run a league where EVERY injury is career ending.

[Riverdome]

find your injuries.txt file. the header describes what each value means.

[wlight1]

Originally Posted by shercot

dumping a guy with a career-ending injury lets a team off the hook too easily.

You don't think losing a player permanently is already enough of a penalty?

[shercot]

Originally Posted by wlight1

You don't think losing a player permanently is already enough of a penalty?

My main point is that with a real career-ending injury, it's pretty rare that the parties involved would know it right away.

This is a game where we're asked to consider the player's point of view in some contexts, and this is one context where it would really matter. The way it is now, it's kind of like just killing him off and sending the widow and children a sympathy card and maybe a canned ham. (I agree that the occasional player should die, by the way.)

[treedom]

Was your player's name Keyser Soze by any chance?

[ctorg]

Death League play has long been a topic here at the OOTP boards.

I do like the idea of very serious injuries becoming career enders. And I do think that players with CEIs should not simply be released. Teams should still be responsible for their contracts until they retire, which they should do. But the only immediate career enders should be extremely serious injuries like, well, death.

It would be cool to have things like rehab assignments to get guys back in shape, or operations that may help an injury or let the player have his career proclaimed over.

[shercot]

Originally Posted by treedom

Was your player's name Keyser Soze by any chance?

Wrong kind of injury.

[james17]

I like the way OOTP handles career-ending injuries the way it does now. As for continuing to be held responsible for contract salary I'm not so sure. Many teams can get insurance on the bigger contracts to they don't have to pay out of pocket on a CEI.

[wlight1]

Originally Posted by ctorg

It would be cool to have things like rehab assignments to get guys back in shape, or operations that may help an injury or let the player have his career proclaimed over.

Yeah, it might be cool to get Dr Andrews and 18-month rehab after TJ into OOTP... I actually do think the injury (and recovery) system should be a little more robust. I may just be imagining it but it seems that whenever I have a player, particularly a pitcher, get hurt for more than 1-2 weeks, they get blown up in their first start back. I have zero idea how Markus could implement something like a A or AA rehab assignment of a couple starts for a pitcher or a week or so of DH-ing for a hitter, but it'd be awesome if he did. The medical stuff, joking aside, would probably be too much work, I don't know that having diagnoses, second opinions, choices on surgery, etc would add all that much to the game.

Originally Posted by james17

I like the way OOTP handles career-ending injuries the way it does now. As for continuing to be held responsible for contract salary I'm not so sure. Many teams can get insurance on the bigger contracts to they don't have to pay out of pocket on a CEI.

I also completely agree with this. And again, short of simulating the entire insurance industry, I think OOTP's current approach works as well as we need it to. You probably pay one more year on the contract and then you're off the hook, which is a decent compromise.


Overall I agree that it'd be neat to have some uncertainty along with CEI, because it's not exactly totally realistic to just go boom, this guy's done, and know it right away. Blowing a ligament or something with a 12-18 month recovery time and potential chance of no comeback would be more realistic, but it may be more programming effort than the feature would be worth, and it also might critically hamper your gameplay because something that ended up as a CEI would totally screw you even more than it does now. EDIT: Also, I bet the AI wouldn't deal with it well if one of these "maybe" CEIs happened on an AI-controlled team.

[Carplos]

EDIT: Also, I bet the AI wouldn't deal with it well if one of these "maybe" CEIs happened on an AI-controlled team.

I'd imagine they'd handle the same as they do long term injuries now and put them on the DL until they were "healthy," and then depending on rating drops, etc. release them, put them back on the 25-man or whatever.