Awarding the win in relief outings

[johnph77]

IMHO, the key word in the cited rule is "maintain". Since the game was tied at one point, the lead wasn't maintained. The pitcher of record when the winning team took the lead was Hogbin and he should get the win regardless of how effectively he pitched.

Should the winning team hold the lead throughout the game, the starting pitcher pitches less than five innings and there is more than one reliever, then the winning pitcher would be decided by the official scorer.

[spark240]

Originally Posted by johnph77

IMHO, the key word in the cited rule is "maintain". Since the game was tied at one point, the lead wasn't maintained. The pitcher of record when the winning team took the lead was Hogbin and he should get the win regardless of how effectively he pitched.

In the OP's example, the regained lead was then maintained by succeeding relievers. The only aspect of the rule which is subject to opinion is the interpretation of what relief appearances would qualify as both brief and ineffective. This could be fuzzy in some cases, but it is clear in the OP's example. Under MLB's rule, Beadle should get the win.

However, I'm not going to waste any more time trying to explain what I believe is a dumb rule to begin with (not the "brief and ineffective" exception, but the entire system of assigning wins). I don't care if OOTP models this detail of MLB scoring correctly or not, because I don't judge my OOTP pitchers on their W/L record anyway.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by spark240

In the OP's example, the regained lead was then maintained by succeeding relievers. The only aspect of the rule which is subject to opinion is the interpretation of what relief appearances would qualify as both brief and ineffective. This could be fuzzy in some cases, but it is clear in the OP's example. Under MLB's rule, Beadle should get the win.

However, I'm not going to waste any more time trying to explain what I believe is a dumb rule to begin with (not the "brief and ineffective" exception, but the entire system of assigning wins). I don't care if OOTP models this detail of MLB scoring correctly or not, because I don't judge my OOTP pitchers on their W/L record anyway.

I'm sorry, at what point did I say I judged the pitching staff by win-loss record? Since I wrote this they have all gone south faster than birds in the winter, so I just throw anyone in and hope something goes well.
I only asked if the game could ever make the ruling or not, and I found out it can't for whatever reason.
I'll keep it to myself in future.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by lencombs

another scenario, say you have a starter goes 7 and 2/3 innings and has a 7-1 lead.

first releiver pitches to 1/3 inning, gives up 1 run score is 7-2
8th inning second reliever pitches 2/3 innings batters gives up 1 run 7-3
8th continued: third reliever pitches 1/3 inning gives up 2 runs score 7-5
9th: 4th reliever pitches 2/3 inning gives up 1 run score 7-6
9th continued closer comes in pitches 1/3 inning allows 2 runs score 7-8

bottom of the 9th home team retakes the lead 9-8..

who you giving the win to? it has to be the pitcher of record.. the closer, even though he blew the save.

sometimes pitchers get handed wins, sometimes they get wins taken away that they should have gotten, being the starter in this scenario..all a part of the game.

That's lovely, but it's not exactly the same scenario as detailed by myself is it?

[spark240]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I'm sorry, at what point did I say I judged the pitching staff by win-loss record?

At what point did I say you did? I was talking about the value this particular correction (you were right to begin with) would have to me, which is minimal.

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I only asked if the game could ever make the ruling or not, and I found out it can't for whatever reason.

Of course the game could do this. It doesn't currently, but it could, if the developers assigned any importance to making the correction. Given that so many people don't even understand the rule involved, it probably won't rise up the to-do list.

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I'll keep it to myself in future.

Boy, those pitchers really are getting you down, aren't they? Buck up.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by spark240

At what point did I say you did? I was talking about the value this particular correction (you were right to begin with) would have to me, which is minimal.

I see. Sorry for misreading the intention of your post then.

Originally Posted by spark240

Of course the game could do this. It doesn't currently, but it could, if the developers assigned any importance to making the correction. Given that so many people don't even understand the rule involved, it probably won't rise up the to-do list.

Plus it's an idea from me, and not one has ever got in the game.

Originally Posted by spark240

Boy, those pitchers really are getting you down, aren't they? Buck up.

Yes, I suppose so. It just frustrated me to start 7-0, and I was thinking maybe just maybe I'm finally good at a sim sports game. And then no I'm brought back to the reality that like every other one I've ever played I'm rubbish at it.
The other game we had four errors with no outs in the second.