OOTP 9 quickstart-choosing the year

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 02:41 PM

Let's select the year for the fictional quick-start.

1901 - Baseball Begins
1919 - After WW I, the Live Ball Changes Everything
1946 - WW II and Integration Changes Everything Again
1961 - The Game Moves West
1974 - Free Agency
1994 - Home Run Derby

Who Killed Kenny? · 04-19-2008, 02:45 PM

I think it should start in 2008. But I picked the latest one.

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Who Killed Kenny?

I think it should start in 2008. But I picked the latest one.

Keep in mind that I am going to get a decade of simming in before this ships in order to build a history. If 1994 wins the vote, there would be little to stop me from simming 14 years instead of 10.

MorseMoose · 04-19-2008, 03:06 PM

I think the start year (as in...after the history simming) should be whatever wins the vote.

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I think the start year (as in...after the history simming) should be whatever wins the vote.

That defeats one of the purposes of the exercise, which is to have some history behind the league.

Some less than obvious things that can be done with a quickstart with history like this could be: marketing (look what the game can do!), playtesting (publish it before release, and watch the OOTP community pick it apart for bugs) documentation (nicer screen caps could be taken for use in manuals, how to's would be more clear), and advertising (Markus could post new feature screenshots without using copyrighted content of Major League Basbeall).

SittingDuck · 04-19-2008, 03:14 PM

Kinda horrified by the 'Baseball Begins' description.

I picked 1961, but had a difficult choice between that and 1946. Would have been nice to have two choices, but then I say that only because I was divided.

Syd Thrift · 04-19-2008, 03:20 PM

1947 would be a better year to start with than 1946. If you were to give several different optional quickstarts, that would actually be pretty cool. I'd include 1930, the original Year of the Hitter. The National League hit .300 that year. The LEAGUE.

1998 Yankees · 04-19-2008, 03:24 PM

I was torn over this. I needed to start typing to clarify my thoughts and thereby how I wanted to vote.

Dead Ball Era? No, certainly not. Historically interesting but basebally boring.

Home Run Derby, as you call it? No, certainly not, even though my namesake team is part of that time. If you are talking about the Steroids Era, then no. This is not the pinnacle of Baseball to me.

That narrows it down to three choices. Let's hack away some more. 1974, the debut of Free Agency? No. I won't say that big money has ruined baseball, but it sure made it harder to love.

OK, 1946 to 1960 or 1961 to 1973? Some say that the Golden Era of Baseball was the 1950's but that's easier to take if you live on the East Coast, specifically in the New York area. Besides, I like the idea of professional baseball in Minnesota and Texas, and California.

That's it, then. 1961 - The Game Moves West. Thanks for listening to me think.

MorseMoose · 04-19-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

That defeats one of the purposes of the exercise, which is to have some history behind the league.

Some less than obvious things that can be done with a quickstart with history like this could be: marketing (look what the game can do!), playtesting (publish it before release, and watch the OOTP community pick it apart for bugs) documentation (nicer screen caps could be taken for use in manuals, how to's would be more clear), and advertising (Markus could post new feature screenshots without using copyrighted content of Major League Basbeall).

I mean if 1961 wins the vote, you start it in 1951 and sim 10 years to 1961.
If 1994 wins, you start it in 1984 and sim 10 years to 1994.

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SittingDuck

Kinda horrified by the 'Baseball Begins' description.

Well, It could be 1866 (after the ACW ends), or 1869, or 1882, or 1903...

A choice had to be made, a description had to be offered, and it was done. It's rather graceless, but oh, well.

How about this?

This was when players were men of iron, pitchers finished what they started, games were played on real grass during the day... just how God intended Man to play baseball.

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I mean if 1961 wins the vote, you start it in 1951 and sim 10 years to 1961.
If 1994 wins, you start it in 1984 and sim 10 years to 1994.

An excellent suggestion. I will poll that. Good call!

The Wolf · 04-19-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I mean if 1961 wins the vote, you start it in 1951 and sim 10 years to 1961.
If 1994 wins, you start it in 1984 and sim 10 years to 1994.

Not a bad idea at all.

The Wolf · 04-19-2008, 04:43 PM

IMO 1961 is the ideal year. It was the year baseball went nationwide, it was a magic season in real life, it gets you past the integration thing, and best of all it's before free agency, so anyone who wants to turn financials on can, either in 1977 or whenever he feels like it, and others can leave them off. Plus you have almost fifty seasons before you get to the present.

There's no downside to it.

The Wolf · 04-19-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

That's it, then. 1961 - The Game Moves West. Thanks for listening to me think.

Great minds think alike, and so do yours and mine.

MorseMoose · 04-19-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

There's no downside to it.

Unless you're a Colorado/Florida/Arizona/Tampa Bay fan!

Raidergoo · 04-19-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Unless you're a Colorado/Florida/Arizona/Tampa Bay fan!

Is there more than one Tampa Bay fan? I know that there's this English Ray dude.

Powderguy · 04-19-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Is there more than one Tampa Bay fan? I know that there's this English Ray dude.

ME!!!

Also, I voted 1961 because as said by other people it's just an overall good year to start and gives plenty of time to sim till now.

1998 Yankees · 04-19-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Great minds think alike, and so do yours and mine.

Heh, thanks. Then we both left out "1919 - After WW I, the Live Ball Changes Everything" in our thinking (I had four choices left in my fourth paragraph, not three). However, I think I had mentally dismissed anything before 1947 anyway, and I'll tell you why.

Professional baseball did not become Baseball before integration, IMO. There were simply too many great players playing in second-rate ballparks in one-horse towns, barred from Major League Baseball due to their color. As much as I admire the 1927 Yankees, for example, I cannot wonder how great they would have been if some of those Negro League players had been admitted to the league and were playing against them.

So, I repeat: 1961 - The Game Moves West. Sorry, you weird-city, over-expansion, talent-diluting, small-market team guys. (Just kidding. Flame out, please.

)

Ambermonk · 04-19-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

IMO 1961 is the ideal year. It was the year baseball went nationwide, it was a magic season in real life, it gets you past the integration thing, and best of all it's before free agency, so anyone who wants to turn financials on can, either in 1977 or whenever he feels like it, and others can leave them off. Plus you have almost fifty seasons before you get to the present.

There's no downside to it.

I agree (and I live in the San Francisco Bay Area).

[WWBL]Batboy · 04-19-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Is there more than one Tampa Bay fan? I know that there's this English Ray dude.

This guy: The Cowbell Kid

He sits in section 144 for every home game

04-19-2008, 02:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 39.84 N -84.12 W Posts: 7,367	OOTP 9 quickstart-choosing the year Let's select the year for the fictional quick-start. 1901 - Baseball Begins 1919 - After WW I, the Live Ball Changes Everything 1946 - WW II and Integration Changes Everything Again 1961 - The Game Moves West 1974 - Free Agency 1994 - Home Run Derby __________________

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MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1960s Posts: 3,019	I think the start year (as in...after the history simming) should be whatever wins the vote. __________________ "Adversity causes some men to break, others to break records." - William A. Ward

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1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium Posts: 6,134	I was torn over this. I needed to start typing to clarify my thoughts and thereby how I wanted to vote. Dead Ball Era? No, certainly not. Historically interesting but basebally boring. Home Run Derby, as you call it? No, certainly not, even though my namesake team is part of that time. If you are talking about the Steroids Era, then no. This is not the pinnacle of Baseball to me. That narrows it down to three choices. Let's hack away some more. 1974, the debut of Free Agency? No. I won't say that big money has ruined baseball, but it sure made it harder to love. OK, 1946 to 1960 or 1961 to 1973? Some say that the Golden Era of Baseball was the 1950's but that's easier to take if you live on the East Coast, specifically in the New York area. Besides, I like the idea of professional baseball in Minnesota and Texas, and California. That's it, then. 1961 - The Game Moves West. Thanks for listening to me think. __________________ The 1998 Yankees are considered to be among the The Best Major League Baseball Teams Ever From 1902-2005 by Baseball Almanac. They were 68-20 at home that year (including playoffs and World Series) in the original Yankee Stadium (1923-2008), "Where Players Became Legends."

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The Wolf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Baying at the moon Posts: 3,443	IMO 1961 is the ideal year. It was the year baseball went nationwide, it was a magic season in real life, it gets you past the integration thing, and best of all it's before free agency, so anyone who wants to turn financials on can, either in 1977 or whenever he feels like it, and others can leave them off. Plus you have almost fifty seasons before you get to the present. There's no downside to it. __________________ __________________ "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain

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View Poll Results: What year should the OOTP 9 quickstart begin with?
1901 - Baseball Begins	18	17.31%
1919 - After WW I, the Live Ball Changes Everything	9	8.65%
1946 - WW II and Integration Changes Everything Again	11	10.58%
1961 - The Game Moves West	33	31.73%
1974 - Free Agency	9	8.65%
1994 - Home Run Derby	24	23.08%
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04-19-2008, 02:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Who Killed Kenny? Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 216	I think it should start in 2008. But I picked the latest one.

04-19-2008, 03:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,834	Kinda horrified by the 'Baseball Begins' description. I picked 1961, but had a difficult choice between that and 1946. Would have been nice to have two choices, but then I say that only because I was divided.

04-19-2008, 03:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,113	1947 would be a better year to start with than 1946. If you were to give several different optional quickstarts, that would actually be pretty cool. I'd include 1930, the original Year of the Hitter. The National League hit .300 that year. The LEAGUE.