Good News: Markus squash a Nasty Bug For OOTP 9

[Exodor]

I think the biggest news is in the first post in that thread:

PS: The game will be released in a few weeks

[Big Koolaid]

Originally Posted by tysok

Ah sure... the Hardball series had the same recurring bug in each of three versions.... they never did fix it just killed the line. Maybe I should demand a refund from them for the $120 I spent on those 3 versions I bought.

Don't remember who anymore, but I got a game once for $60 that you were supposed to have an entire world to run around in... but had a bug that wouldn't let you leave one freaking town. There was never even a patch for that game at all. I think I'll hunt them down and demand my money back.

Civilization had a bug for two versions, every time I'd learn paratroopers the game would crash. I'm sure you've wasted money on such programs, why hold OOTP to a higher standard than we do the big game businesses? Because they can afford to not give a dime about what you think? Their money buy them a pass?

I don't hold it to higher standards. In fact, these days, I'd say I hold it to rather low standards: play as advertised. Markus' very words were " It now works as advertised". That says it never has in the 2006/2007/v8 versions. That's pretty weak.

I am not asking for my money back, that would just be asinine. The point was, he admits it's never worked right, but still expects everyone to hand over 25 to 40 dollars for what equates to a small update and a patch. I've bought other games that didn't work as they should have and been disappointed. Those games, however, never came out and said it was broken. They just closed up shop or got bought out by someone else. They generally didn't make the same game 3 years in a row with the same exact bug (mainly because they were out of business).

But you know, whatever it takes for the fanboys around here to steer away from the real issues at hand.

[Neags23]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

I don't hold it to higher standards. In fact, these days, I'd say I hold it to rather low standards: play as advertised. Markus' very words were " It now works as advertised". That says it never has in the 2006/2007/v8 versions. That's pretty weak.

I am not asking for my money back, that would just be asinine. The point was, he admits it's never worked right, but still expects everyone to hand over 25 to 40 dollars for what equates to a small update and a patch. I've bought other games that didn't work as they should have and been disappointed. Those games, however, never came out and said it was broken. They just closed up shop or got bought out by someone else. They generally didn't make the same game 3 years in a row with the same exact bug (mainly because they were out of business).

But you know, whatever it takes for the fanboys around here to steer away from the real issues at hand.

Don't know that I'd say one bug makes a game 'broken'. Not that I'd say there's only one bug, but even a handful of bugs wouldn't make the game 'broken'. It's not as though the game is unplayable or anything. Far from it. There are very very few crashes (think I've only had one in hundreds of hours of playing), and nothing that keeps someone from completely enjoying the game.

My guess is that when Markus says that it now plays 'as advertised' he means it plays like it was intended to be. Which is what the case is when any bug is fixed.

[Big Koolaid]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Just curious. If you have no interest in any future versions, why do you continue to come to the forum? Once the next version comes out, the OOTP 8 forum will get pretty quiet.

I still play the game, albeit older versions. But then, I'm not sure why it's a concern of yours if I peruse these forums or not, just because I'm not down with current or future versions. I think it's really just to keep away from the actual issue, that being Markus saying he's finally fixed a problem that's been around for 3 versions and is fixing it now just in time to charge people 25 to 40 dollars just to have a game that runs right.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

I still play the game, albeit older versions.

Have fun on August 33rd.

[Big Koolaid]

Originally Posted by Neags23

My guess is that when Markus says that it now plays 'as advertised' he means it plays like it was intended to be. Which is what the case is when any bug is fixed.

So why make it so people have to pay 25 to 40 bucks for what's essentially a patch to make sure the game plays how it should? 2007 comes out, it barely gets a few patches, then suddenly they put out the same game, further patched, abandoning the first one because of some rather ridiculous reason that they couldn't patch it due to the separation from SI (yeah, they couldn't get a clearance for that, mmkay).

So, instead, they put out the same game again, get more people to put out more cash (while not making it really clear that v8 isn't a new game for the newbs), then abandon it to get another bunch of cash out of you, all for basically the same game. That's alot to swallow in one year.

But hey, enjoy. It's just my opinion, I'm sure it means nothing.

[Big Koolaid]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Have fun on August 33rd.

Awesome, way to divert from the topic on hand, dood. Because that's easier than the truth.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

I don't hold it to higher standards. In fact, these days, I'd say I hold it to rather low standards: play as advertised. Markus' very words were " It now works as advertised". That says it never has in the 2006/2007/v8 versions. That's pretty weak.

I am not asking for my money back, that would just be asinine. The point was, he admits it's never worked right, but still expects everyone to hand over 25 to 40 dollars for what equates to a small update and a patch. I've bought other games that didn't work as they should have and been disappointed. Those games, however, never came out and said it was broken. They just closed up shop or got bought out by someone else. They generally didn't make the same game 3 years in a row with the same exact bug (mainly because they were out of business).

Or they continued to make Madden

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

Awesome, way to divert from the topic on hand, dood. Because that's easier than the truth.

What's that? The bug in old versions of the game that allowed games to be scheduled on days that don't even exist?

[The Wolf]

I find it really disturbing that Markus posts this sort of thing on another board and not on this one.

[conception]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I find it really disturbing that Markus posts this sort of thing on another board and not on this one.

With the way some people on this board act, which is reflected in this thread, it is understandable. I really find it a shame that these boards have become a hotbed for people to ridicule markus for not meeting their unrealistic expectations for what is in fact an amazing game, instead of being here to promote both an appreciation for the game and a desire to help improve the game.

[Syd Thrift]

To be fair, there are also people on here making pointed criticism, which is really the only opportunity the game has for outside enrichment. Puresim is being retooled and Baseball Mogul is... well, it's Baseball Mogul. That leaves Diamond Mind, which is a niche game that gets updated around once every five years, and other career-based sports sims, which are based on sports that have a completely different attitude towards statistics and economics than baseball does.

In short, I really, really hope that Markus is able to differentiate the guys who have done their research from the "OMG THIS GAME SUX FIX AI LOLOL" crowd. Although I will say, the idea of going to FOFC to avoid whiney jackholes with over-developed senses of self is a little like going to Salem, Massachusetts in the 1690s to avoid religious persecution.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I find it really disturbing that Markus posts this sort of thing on another board and not on this one.

Why? He announces the new OOTP there every year after announcing it here as a way to drum up business. While there, a member there asked about this issue and gave examples of it in game. Markus responded at fofc because the issue was asked about there in the thread in question. Nothing more nothing less.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Why? He announces the new OOTP there every year after announcing it here as a way to drum up business. While there, a member there asked about this issue and gave examples of it in game. Markus responded at fofc because the issue was asked about there in the thread in question. Nothing more nothing less.

I agree 100%

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by kq76

However, what happens when there are no previous years' stats either?

Check out the formula I posted there, it makes perfect sense... in case there are no stats at all, 100% ratings are used of course

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by CHOWDERHEAD

I would have to agree that posting a link to FOFC may be a little out of the norm, it does seem very curious that Markus often seems to be more responsive to questions that they (FOFC) pose and tends to offer insights that are nowhere to be found on this board (such as the one in the link). I am not sure why he has taken that approach, yet I am glad that the "bug" has been located and eliminated.

Now if we can only just get full list of what has been added to this next version !!!

I think it is very clear why. It is because while this MAY be the "official board of OOTP", the people here do not have the same kind of insight and intelligent discourse as those on FOFC. Many of the people here at times remind me of being somewhat "kiddish" for lack of a better term.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

So why make it so people have to pay 25 to 40 bucks for what's essentially a patch to make sure the game plays how it should?

"Have to pay"? No one is forcing anyone to pay anything, such spending is entirely discretionary.

If you don't feel like you've been treated fairly by a company (any company), then as a consumer your right is to not give them any more of your money and to tell anyone else who'll listen not to do business with that company either.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Big Koolaid

I still play the game, albeit older versions. But then, I'm not sure why it's a concern of yours if I peruse these forums or not, just because I'm not down with current or future versions. I think it's really just to keep away from the actual issue, that being Markus saying he's finally fixed a problem that's been around for 3 versions and is fixing it now just in time to charge people 25 to 40 dollars just to have a game that runs right.

I don't care at all if you peruse, but when you post then it becomes everyone's business, no? This is a PUBLIC forum after all.

It brings to mind the truckers out here who get upset when someone says something about what that person just said over the CB...."You stay out of this, this is a private conversation". No such thing as private in a public forum.

I just don't understand why you want to rag on a game you have no intention of dealing with in the future.

[zekester91]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Why? He announces the new OOTP there every year after announcing it here as a way to drum up business. While there, a member there asked about this issue and gave examples of it in game. Markus responded at fofc because the issue was asked about there in the thread in question. Nothing more nothing less.

But he's technically not yet announced it here. The email was "leaked" by a couple of members and then battists did a sticky on it. I'm all for drumming up business there, but kind of feel left out that there wasn't an announcement here first.

[silvam14]

I personally take no offense to him posting something on FOFC first. So long as he doesn't let them download the game before everyone else, what's the difference?

Besides, didn't Markus already explain why he did it? Is that not good enough for some of you?