OOTP 10 - Graphics/animation - Page 4

ashantewarrier · 04-29-2008, 06:33 PM

This good stuff!

ravinhood · 04-29-2008, 07:40 PM

Woohoo my vote is winning and I've been asking for this since OOTPBB 05. I want you to know though Pure Sims Animation is crap. I finally broke down and played that demo and I don't know how people can praise that pos game. It was horrible compared to OOTPBB, but, then again I guess when you're a fan of the Dallas Cowboys it's hard to be a fan of the Redskins.

OOTPBB has been the best sim I've ever played, it has role playing elements in it, you can have a family (or could before 07 I think) wife, kids and you could get fire for stupid reasons and then goto another team and come back and stomp your old team and laugh at them for firing you. Like I hope Torre gets to do vs the Yankees, he's one of the best managers in the game and to fire him just because the Yankees didn't make the World series for the last oh what 7 years? hehe well that was just crappy.

I really would like to see a Micro League type of animation back in the game. Doesn't have to be MVP type graphics, but, man if it had Micro League type graphics and VOICE color commentary like APBA with Al Michaels combined just imagine the immersive value of the game?

But, I'm tellin yah Pure SIm that was a joke for animation, you'd see the ball fly out clearly over the fence and it would be called an OUT. More times that a HR that's for darn sure. I think one of the funniest ones I saw it do was a Double to 3rd base. lol I kid you not that's what it said, ball was driven to 3rb base and it was a double in the text. hahaha No, I don't want that kind of animation that is not even believeable or plausible.

Beach23BoyP · 04-30-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ravinhood

But, I'm tellin yah Pure SIm that was a joke for animation, you'd see the ball fly out clearly over the fence and it would be called an OUT. More times that a HR that's for darn sure. I think one of the funniest ones I saw it do was a Double to 3rd base. lol I kid you not that's what it said, ball was driven to 3rb base and it was a double in the text. hahaha No, I don't want that kind of animation that is not even believeable or plausible.

PureSim's animation can be made to work perfectly with the play by play text. You just have to know how to set each stadium up with the correct outcome points. Markus already uses the same type thing -- Flyball 7D, Groundball 6M, Line Drive 4MD, etc.

The Wolf · 04-30-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach23BoyP

I contend that EXPANDED "play by play text" -- not little bitty dots and ball flight is what we need. Real live play by play text that is full of rare plays and tons of different outcomes.

I'd like to second that. That would be much better than graphics.

silvam14 · 04-30-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach23BoyP

An HTML file that we can edit, that we can build upon, etc, etc.

I though we can already do this? (I think its an XML file though)

silvam14 · 04-30-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I have news for a lot of you folks....Microleague is over, and it's time has well passed. Also, this is NOT Microleague, and frankly I hope there is never anything about it that reminds me of Microleague.

I agree in the sense that OOTP should have the ability of putting clearer graphics and movement than MicroLeague.

Markus has stated he wants some graphical representation of plays eventually, so those who want text pbp only are in for some sadness

ravinhood · 04-30-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I agree in the sense that OOTP should have the ability of putting clearer graphics and movement than MicroLeague.

Markus has stated he wants some graphical representation of plays eventually, so those who want text pbp only are in for some sadness

Well old fogeys have always been in for some sadness as CHANGE is always inevitable.

I look forward to it and grasp it with open arms and I'm 52.

texasmame · 06-04-2008, 06:56 PM

Seems like the vast majority want some animation. And, seems like Marcus is (rightly) listening to the majority of his customer base.

Kivlehan · 06-04-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

What we'd do is a view very similar to FM. 2D with circles in the colors of the team + the jersey number. Then a ballpark background image that is generated using the wall distance & heigh information, or a customized image.

That is definitely something for the future, but if we're all lucky then it's for OOTP 10

FM style is what I'd like to see. My perfect sports sim game is a merger between FM features and OOTP features (both a baseball version and a soccer version).

Ambermonk · 06-04-2008, 07:22 PM

Could animation be one of the surprise features that Markus hinted about for OOTP 9?

CalvinHobbes · 06-04-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

What we'd do is a view very similar to FM. 2D with circles in the colors of the team + the jersey number. Then a ballpark background image that is generated using the wall distance & heigh information, or a customized image.

That is definitely something for the future, but if we're all lucky then it's for OOTP 10

I especially like the way you'd like an image that is generated using wall distance & height. Maybe foul ground too?

That would be awesome!

When I played FPS: Baseball Pro, I only used the bird eye view screen, just so that I could watch the ball and the fielders.

I think that would be a lot of programming, though, so maybe we could have it by OOTP 13. If it never makes it in, I'm fine with that too. I'm easy to please.

OldFatGuy · 06-04-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CalvinHobbes

I especially like the way you'd like an image that is generated using wall distance & height. Maybe foul ground too?

That would be awesome!

When I played FPS: Baseball Pro, I only used the bird eye view screen, just so that I could watch the ball and the fielders.

I think that would be a lot of programming, though, so maybe we could have it by OOTP 13. If it never makes it in, I'm fine with that too. I'm easy to please.

I loved FPS: Baseball Pro, and my eyes glaze over when I think of those graphics and this engine and realistic features. I don't need console type 3-D monster graphics, in fact, I'm fine as is, but man I did love playing FPS, and if THIS engine and realism could be added to those graphics??? AWESOME, IMHO.

Antonin · 06-04-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach23BoyP

...However, I very much prefer an "expansion of the play by play text" over anymore added graphics. I'm betting that the day when Markus start concentrating on a graphical display everything else will suffer. I've never seen it NOT happen. Markus would be the first.

What he said.

Giants44 · 06-04-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

What we'd do is a view very similar to FM. 2D with circles in the colors of the team + the jersey number. Then a ballpark background image that is generated using the wall distance & heigh information, or a customized image.

That is definitely something for the future, but if we're all lucky then it's for OOTP 10

Earl Weaver had a fantastic stadium editor that was pretty cool back in the day. It was a lot of fun to create and adjust the stadiums.

However I would hope that we would have some option to use our existing fields with perhaps the same drag and drop capabilities of where the fielders should go and where the landmarks should be (such as bases, fences, foul lines)

I know that I use some amazing fields that I have collected over the years and would hate to have to lose them.

Best case scenario would be to track down Teflon, and hire him as a sub contractor to do all the fields - he did amazing work.

gglennwill · 06-04-2008, 08:10 PM

I voted no because my fear always is that when better graphics are added, that my computer won't be able to run the program anymore, or it will slow down the processing to the point of annoyance. However, after seeing the proposal Marcus gave us, I wouldn't object to a simple 2D Football Manager type of system if it doesn't hog resources too greatly. I do tend to play out the games and I have to admit that it probably would improve the experience. But it's a fairly low priority for me personally.

Kivlehan · 06-04-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

Earl Weaver had a fantastic stadium editor that was pretty cool back in the day.

Loved that. But the pre-OOTP baseball sim world was overall so unsatisfactory in retrospect

kq76 · 06-04-2008, 08:21 PM

Over 75% for some kind of animation. No wonder Markus said that's the plan for OOTP10.

BruceM · 06-04-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Over 75% of 185 people for some kind of animation. No wonder Markus said that's the plan for OOTP10.

I'm sure that's the majority of OOTP users too.

kq76 · 06-04-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

I'm sure that's the majority of OOTP users too.

Well, considering the animation haters probably voted a minimum of 5 times each..

Yeah, sure, it's no scientific study, but I think it's interesting nonetheless. With how loud some are for no animation I would have pegged it closer to 50/50.

While I wouldn't be too surprised if this ends up being a "be careful what you wish for", I do think it's time and I think it could take the game to the next level so I am looking forward to it.

professor ape · 06-04-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambermonk

Could animation be one of the surprise features that Markus hinted about for OOTP 9?

No, but check out Markus' post in the 2 surprise features in OOTP 9! thread. It is post #147 on page 8.

He slipped in a nice little nugget for us.

View Poll Results: Should OOTP 10 have any in-game animation
NO - I'm a text purist.	54	22.98%
YES AND I WANT EYE CANDY LIKE THE PS3!!! (will allow for toggle on/off)	23	9.79%
YES - MicroLeague-type ball flight and little guys would be great. (will allow for toggle on/off)	149	63.40%
YES and SCREW TOGGLING! If animation is part of the game, it should be on all the time.	9	3.83%
Voters: 235. You may not vote on this poll

04-29-2008, 06:33 PM	#61 (permalink)
ashantewarrier All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 875	This good stuff! __________________ "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." -Barack Obama "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers

06-04-2008, 06:56 PM	#68 (permalink)
texasmame Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 417	Seems like the vast majority want some animation. And, seems like Marcus is (rightly) listening to the majority of his customer base. __________________ Thank you, Curt, for 2004. Without you, we would still be looking. . . GM, Manager and clubhouse attendant - GRANITE CITY KRAZY KATS - World Champs 2000, 2003 and 2004; Pennants in 2001, 2005. A.L. East Champions 2010. (No seasons 2002, 2006-2009) ". . .at the moment, I'm trying to hurt Toby Hall." - Eriqjaffe

06-04-2008, 07:22 PM	#70 (permalink)
Ambermonk All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 787	Could animation be one of the surprise features that Markus hinted about for OOTP 9? __________________ *I cast this question into your soul, that I might know how deep it is* - Friedrich Nietzsche It often shows a fine command of language - to say nothing! - Bertrand Russell

06-04-2008, 08:10 PM	#75 (permalink)
gglennwill Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 51	I voted no, however... I voted no because my fear always is that when better graphics are added, that my computer won't be able to run the program anymore, or it will slow down the processing to the point of annoyance. However, after seeing the proposal Marcus gave us, I wouldn't object to a simple 2D Football Manager type of system if it doesn't hog resources too greatly. I do tend to play out the games and I have to admit that it probably would improve the experience. But it's a fairly low priority for me personally.

04-29-2008, 07:40 PM	#62 (permalink)
ravinhood Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 241	Woohoo my vote is winning and I've been asking for this since OOTPBB 05. I want you to know though Pure Sims Animation is crap. I finally broke down and played that demo and I don't know how people can praise that pos game. It was horrible compared to OOTPBB, but, then again I guess when you're a fan of the Dallas Cowboys it's hard to be a fan of the Redskins. OOTPBB has been the best sim I've ever played, it has role playing elements in it, you can have a family (or could before 07 I think) wife, kids and you could get fire for stupid reasons and then goto another team and come back and stomp your old team and laugh at them for firing you. Like I hope Torre gets to do vs the Yankees, he's one of the best managers in the game and to fire him just because the Yankees didn't make the World series for the last oh what 7 years? hehe well that was just crappy. I really would like to see a Micro League type of animation back in the game. Doesn't have to be MVP type graphics, but, man if it had Micro League type graphics and VOICE color commentary like APBA with Al Michaels combined just imagine the immersive value of the game? But, I'm tellin yah Pure SIm that was a joke for animation, you'd see the ball fly out clearly over the fence and it would be called an OUT. More times that a HR that's for darn sure. I think one of the funniest ones I saw it do was a Double to 3rd base. lol I kid you not that's what it said, ball was driven to 3rb base and it was a double in the text. hahaha No, I don't want that kind of animation that is not even believeable or plausible.

06-04-2008, 08:21 PM	#77 (permalink)
kq76 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,329	Over 75% for some kind of animation. No wonder Markus said that's the plan for OOTP10. __________________ Interactive Online League Directory - find or advertise a league today! (now OOTP9 compatible, thanks for the space jazzrack!) Canadian Baseball League - one of the last OOTP6.5 leagues still left, running since April 2002 SGCBL - a Lord of the Rings themed league with a very friendly membership and a commish constantly looking to improve the smallest of things

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