Purity...ha!

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Well, I'd imagine a pure text simmer wouldn't be too happy with OOTP ever since at least OOTP3 (I wasn't playing before that), really, with logos, player pictures and the stadium diagrams. He'd probably not be too happy with the addition of facegen and automatic logos. Facegen or animated graphics would both piss me off if I was a text purist, I think.

I don't see why facegen and automatic logos would bother the text purist, since facegen can be disabled and logos can be added/removed/changed.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by tysok

The idea of "purity" came from the poll that was posted a little before this... I'm not a "text purist" but I see no point in animated graphics of where the ball went or see my little fielders run around the field.

First, it doesn't matter. The game will decide what happens... you just get a cute little scene to watch while it does so. Now, people are going to freak out and hate me over this but I have to say it... use your imagination! It's like buying my daughter this $100 baby doll that can talk and giggle and crap... then she gets ticked off because it only does certain things. Use your imagination! I never had a freaking GI Joe that talked to me, I never had lego's that were remote controlled... it's pathetic, but I digress a bit.
The game will decide what happens, that's not going to change. Do you really need graphics to turn "flyball to the gap in right center" into a vision of where the ball is going???? If so, there's bigger problems with people's imagination than I thought.

Second, it'll be OOTP 2006 all over again, just new and different. I refer to the text and the cute little graphical scene. Great, now we'll see a "deep" drive to right field that is caught about 20 feet past the infield. Although we will get to see the occasional, and apparently well hidden bug, where the 2B somehow occasionally rushes down the line in left field and makes the catch.... might be interesting to see that though.
A lot of the HUGE amount of work that has gone into the pbp in order for the game to make sense will have to be tweaked or completely redone, and even then it'll be three or four versions before it actually syncs correctly.
Does anyone remember the pbp from 2006? The vast improvement to 2007? It's set to take another huge step forward this version... now we want graphics so we get thrown back to 2006 again?
What graphics there are now don't even work! I can't mention something simple in the pbp such as "that pitch drilled him in the knee" because the freaking game doesn't actually HIT the batter!!! The pitch shows up inside... he isn't even HIT! And what I have so I might be able to mention where he's hit (ignoring that the graphic doesn't show him HIT) doesn't work right... it can be anywhere from his butt to his feet for a low hbp, possibly nowhere near his knee.

I can't go any further in why this is a very bad idea (nor would I want to), but I'll just leave it that it is a very bad idea for the reasons above and be done with it. Has nothing to do with being a "text purist," but has everything to do with how little everyone understands the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. Practice the long forgotten art of using your imagination, I guarantee it's many times better than any graphics would be anyhow.

Amen

[Long_Long_Name]

Oh, I have nothing against disliking animation. I don't equate not liking animation with being a text purist. I'm not a strong proponent of animation, and while I think it'd be a bit nice, I don't think it's, for me anyway, worth it. There is one caveat, though: animation must reflect the sim results, not determine them.

I was in your position, tysok, in last year's debate about the inclusion of sound. To me, it is absolutely not necessary, and a waste of programming time. But, it's going to be there, the time has already been spent, and it seems to be a feature that will make a lot of people happy, so I don't mind it being there.

A "text purist", in the way I talk about, is someone who will adamantly believe OOTP will be an inferior product (or "ruined") with the addition of sound or graphics, all other things being equal. He's an ideologist, pretty much.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

I was in your position, tysok, in last year's debate about the inclusion of sound. To me, it is absolutely not necessary, and a waste of programming time. But, it's going to be there, the time has already been spent, and it seems to be a feature that will make a lot of people happy, so I don't mind it being there.

The sound will, once we get to that point, require a change or two to the pbp... but really doesn't hit anything else. It provides some kind of "immersion" and so I had/have no problem with it. Once it gets knocked around a little by our beta testers it should be pretty good. It had no possibility really of tossing us back to a 2006 level of in-game experience.

The graphics though is much much harder to do, and I guarantee it'll require a lot of pbp work to go along with it. It has an infinite possibility of tossing us backwards to 2006, and possibly before then! I cringe at the thought.

[senorcoo]

Can't blame me for trying

[EGGUZMAN]

Microleague graphics?...ok,I wouldn't mind that..That game was fun too..I remember playing for hours in my Commador64.

What I would really like is something like APBA Radio Baseball with Ernie Harwell...now that's baseball imagination!! I loved the radio style much more..But it would have to be a good radio anouncer. Maybe like Curt Gowdy or even ESPN's Jon Miller

[Syd Thrift]

Jon Miller with color commentary by Joe Morgan would be the best!!! You could just randomly record Morgan's commentary on various things and it wouldn't matter because he rarely says anything that has anything to do with what's going on in the game anyway!

[tysok]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Jon Miller with color commentary by Joe Morgan would be the best!!! You could just randomly record Morgan's commentary on various things and it wouldn't matter because he rarely says anything that has anything to do with what's going on in the game anyway!

Oh... Joe Morgan and Ron Santo as our OOTP announcer team! We'd never actually here what's going on on the field.... we would have to decipher it by Santo's exclamations.

Morgan: Everyone's got a chance at this point, really.
Santo: I had a dinner at a nice place last night... we had fish.
Morgan: Well anyone can have fish, but the question is does the fish have a chance....
Santo: AAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!
Morgan: He almost had a chance at that if he'd tried to chance it.
Santo: The fish was undercooked really though...
Morgan: Well undercooked doesn't always mean BAD...
Santo: OH AH!! Yes!
Morgan: That ball was hit hard.
Santo: But the fish has sort of... ya know.. a fishy taste...
Morgan: Everyone's got a chance at this point, really.

[EGGUZMAN]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Jon Miller with color commentary by Joe Morgan would be the best!!! You could just randomly record Morgan's commentary on various things and it wouldn't matter because he rarely says anything that has anything to do with what's going on in the game anyway!

LOL!!..I know what you mean!!

[senorcoo]

Audio is one thing that would be wasted on me as I always have volume off. Hate noise of any kind really. It's just so...so...noisy.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by senorcoo

Audio is one thing that would be wasted on me as I always have volume off. Hate noise of any kind really. It's just so...so...noisy.

I don't have any use for it either - even when I did play out games, I just put music on. But, the demand for sound is apparently pretty strong.

[senorcoo]

Yeah, given the choice of one or the other, I'll take Micro League level graphics hands-down.