What would you do with this guy?

so49as · 05-08-2008, 05:17 PM

Backup? Pinchhitter?

Player Report for #32 Brian Smart

johnnybourbon · 05-08-2008, 05:20 PM

well, he's got no power but he can get on base, and he's obviously outgrown AAA. If I don't have a spot for him in the bigs, I'd trade him. He's got plenty of value.

SittingDuck · 05-08-2008, 05:27 PM

trade or pinch hitter

Kelric · 05-08-2008, 05:46 PM

I'd trade him as soon as I could. Contact tends to go down a bit once a player is out of his early 20s. Once he stops putting the bat on the ball, he has no value whatsoever.

TNCubsFan · 05-08-2008, 06:51 PM

Trade him now. Pack his bags and pay for his bus ticket. He has no power, (gaps or homerun), and his K/BB ratio is so awful that once he loses his contact value you will see this guy selling lady kenmores at Sears. All of his value is derived from him BABIP. He cant run and/or steal for you. He can only really play RF and LF. If he was an MI glove guy he would be a bench guy if I couldnt find anyone better.

See if anyone will bite on his inflated VORP and batting average and give you anything of value. If they dont give you anything of value but offer peanuts take it, you will be better off in the long run.

The Wolf · 05-08-2008, 11:49 PM

Trade him now.

Go Middies · 05-09-2008, 12:29 AM

Deal him. Now.

Left-handed Badger · 05-09-2008, 05:46 AM

If he didnt try to be the 2nd coming of Jesus Alou BB-wise, I could probably get a little mileage out of him as a PH. But 8 BBs in 500 ABs is just too pitiful for me. He'd really have to hit .350 to get any real value out of him. Really wish he had better ratings in the field. He could be a decent 4th OF if he could just do that much.

zukes · 05-09-2008, 09:25 AM

If you are absolutely stuck with the guy, he would make a decent 2 hole or 8 hole hitter (assuming no DH). IN the two hole you can hit and run with him and or/sacrifice. 8 hole, get on to be bunted over.

CBL-Commish · 05-09-2008, 09:27 AM

I'd tell him that he was a theoretical impossibility, and when the realization hit him he'd disappear into the ether.

There's no way to hit .353 with Mariano Duncan's plate discipline and Roy Thomas' power. Can't happen.

Highest batting averages by players with <20 extra base hits, <20 walks, >70 strikeouts, >400 PA:

Code:

EXTRA BASE HITS <= 20
STRIKEOUTS >= 70
WALKS <= 20

AVERAGE                       YEAR     AVG      EBH      SO       BB     
1    Greasy Neale             1916     .262       18       79       19   
2    Jeff Branson             1993     .241       19       73       19   
3    Jim Lillie               1884     .223       20       71        5   
4    Joe DeMaestri            1958     .219       18       84       16   
5    Jim Lillie               1886     .175        9       80       11

Mike Donlin · 05-09-2008, 09:42 AM

That is one weird player. His BABIP must consistently flirt with .400

CBL-Commish · 05-09-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Donlin

That is one weird player. His BABIP must consistently flirt with .400

Which means he has to hit the ball really hard. But if you hit the ball really hard you can't have an ISO of about zero.

Or maybe he's an extreme place hitter with crazy bat control. But if that was the case there's no way in hell he'd have eight walks and 110 Ks.

He's an impossibility.

PotatoPeeler · 05-09-2008, 11:30 AM

Kill him and bury him in a shallow grave... or, just trade him. Either way.

rogmax11 · 05-09-2008, 11:38 AM

Bless you, Commish, for pointing out the nakedness of the Emperor.

This is yet another example of the fictional player creation model that allows leagues to be afflicted with bizarre extremist players that could not---and never have---existed. I keep trying to integrate fictionals with historicals in league after league, varying modifiers hither and thither, and invariably along comes a string of outliers that demolish any shred of believability.

I wonder if it is feasible to aggregate the number of typical career arcs from real-life--all the way from one-time freaks like Nolan Ryan or Babe Ruth to one-year players--and use the resultant curve to generate players consistent with real world performance? I get sick watching obviously impossible creatures dominate leagues that take many, many hours to refine and thus render the effort useless.

Sorry for the rant, fellas.

CBL-Commish · 05-09-2008, 01:53 PM

Actually, I think I have come up with a scenario where this guy could exist. See, he's really Mariano Duncan. Good line drive power, good bad-ball hitter, absolutely no concept of the strike zone. But he plays all of his games in parks with fences that are 250' all around, but 150 ft tall walls. Almost everything that would normally be an extra base hit turns into a single.

so49as - did he play all of his games in such a park? Otherwise we're back to him disappearing into the ether.

SittingDuck · 05-09-2008, 08:02 PM

O's Hangout!

Where in MD, Commish? I grew up in Howard County.

I've revised my proposed course of action with this guy - throw him a set of chaps (ala David Lee Roth) and let him become a dancer.

scotto313 · 05-09-2008, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelric

I'd trade him as soon as I could. Contact tends to go down a bit once a player is out of his early 20s. Once he stops putting the bat on the ball, he has no value whatsoever.

That isn't cool. I have started to get attatched to my high contact guy.

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DrSatan · 05-09-2008, 09:55 PM

You can find one of these guys in almost every draft. They're already ML quality contact hitters on draft day. I'll grab one of these guys late in the draft and stick him in AAA. They always hit around .350 and they're ok to have around if one of your big league guys gets hurt. I've noticed they hit for high avg in the ML also. You won't get a lot of extra base hits or walks though.

Kelric · 05-10-2008, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotto313

That isn't cool. I have started to get attatched to my high contact guy.

Player Report for #38 Lindsay Long

Tends to isn't always, of course.

SittingDuck · 05-10-2008, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSatan

You can find one of these guys in almost every draft. They're already ML quality contact hitters on draft day. I'll grab one of these guys late in the draft and stick him in AAA. They always hit around .350 and they're ok to have around if one of your big league guys gets hurt. I've noticed they hit for high avg in the ML also. You won't get a lot of extra base hits or walks though.

ya know what's interesting? I played MidKnight's FUiB2 league and started as a HS manager (I really wanted to earn my way up!). Down at that level, most players have ratings 1-2, sometimes 3 (on a 1-10 scale). Every once in awhile you get a hitter with 6-7 contact. So that's the dudes, I think.

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johnnybourbon Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: addison, il Posts: 269	well, he's got no power but he can get on base, and he's obviously outgrown AAA. If I don't have a spot for him in the bigs, I'd trade him. He's got plenty of value. __________________ And so we go, on with our lives We know the truth, but prefer lies Lies are simple, simple is bliss Why go against tradition when we can Admit defeat, live in decline Be the victim of our own design The status quo, built on suspect Why would anyone stick out their neck?

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Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,085	I'd trade him as soon as I could. Contact tends to go down a bit once a player is out of his early 20s. Once he stops putting the bat on the ball, he has no value whatsoever. __________________ Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-40). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1029-665, .607% (1930-40). 1930-34, '36-40, American League Eastern Division Champions (10/11). 1936, 1937, 1939. 1940 American League Champions (4/10). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/4). 138-104, .570% vs. the New York Yankees.

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TNCubsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 170	Trade him now. Pack his bags and pay for his bus ticket. He has no power, (gaps or homerun), and his K/BB ratio is so awful that once he loses his contact value you will see this guy selling lady kenmores at Sears. All of his value is derived from him BABIP. He cant run and/or steal for you. He can only really play RF and LF. If he was an MI glove guy he would be a bench guy if I couldnt find anyone better. See if anyone will bite on his inflated VORP and batting average and give you anything of value. If they dont give you anything of value but offer peanuts take it, you will be better off in the long run. __________________ "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out" George Brett HOF

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The Wolf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Baying at the moon Posts: 3,443	Trade him now. __________________ __________________ "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain

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SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,834	trade or pinch hitter

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Go Middies Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lindsay, Ontario, Canada Posts: 63	Deal him. Now.

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Left-handed Badger All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 769	If he didnt try to be the 2nd coming of Jesus Alou BB-wise, I could probably get a little mileage out of him as a PH. But 8 BBs in 500 ABs is just too pitiful for me. He'd really have to hit .350 to get any real value out of him. Really wish he had better ratings in the field. He could be a decent 4th OF if he could just do that much. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

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zukes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 738	If you are absolutely stuck with the guy, he would make a decent 2 hole or 8 hole hitter (assuming no DH). IN the two hole you can hit and run with him and or/sacrifice. 8 hole, get on to be bunted over. __________________ <------------ My son, the future Calgary Flame

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CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,323	I'd tell him that he was a theoretical impossibility, and when the realization hit him he'd disappear into the ether. There's no way to hit .353 with Mariano Duncan's plate discipline and Roy Thomas' power. Can't happen. Highest batting averages by players with <20 extra base hits, <20 walks, >70 strikeouts, >400 PA: Code: EXTRA BASE HITS <= 20 STRIKEOUTS >= 70 WALKS <= 20 AVERAGE YEAR AVG EBH SO BB 1 Greasy Neale 1916 .262 18 79 19 2 Jeff Branson 1993 .241 19 73 19 3 Jim Lillie 1884 .223 20 71 5 4 Joe DeMaestri 1958 .219 18 84 16 5 Jim Lillie 1886 .175 9 80 11 __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

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Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Feeling the Illinoise! Posts: 706	That is one weird player. His BABIP must consistently flirt with .400

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PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 2,316	Kill him and bury him in a shallow grave... or, just trade him. Either way. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Even though it feels like Friday, Sunday is on the way.

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rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,202	Bless you, Commish, for pointing out the nakedness of the Emperor. This is yet another example of the fictional player creation model that allows leagues to be afflicted with bizarre extremist players that could not---and never have---existed. I keep trying to integrate fictionals with historicals in league after league, varying modifiers hither and thither, and invariably along comes a string of outliers that demolish any shred of believability. I wonder if it is feasible to aggregate the number of typical career arcs from real-life--all the way from one-time freaks like Nolan Ryan or Babe Ruth to one-year players--and use the resultant curve to generate players consistent with real world performance? I get sick watching obviously impossible creatures dominate leagues that take many, many hours to refine and thus render the effort useless. Sorry for the rant, fellas.

05-09-2008, 01:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,323	Actually, I think I have come up with a scenario where this guy could exist. See, he's really Mariano Duncan. Good line drive power, good bad-ball hitter, absolutely no concept of the strike zone. But he plays all of his games in parks with fences that are 250' all around, but 150 ft tall walls. Almost everything that would normally be an extra base hit turns into a single. so49as - did he play all of his games in such a park? Otherwise we're back to him disappearing into the ether. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

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SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,834	O's Hangout! Where in MD, Commish? I grew up in Howard County. I've revised my proposed course of action with this guy - throw him a set of chaps (ala David Lee Roth) and let him become a dancer.

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05-09-2008, 09:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
DrSatan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 251	You can find one of these guys in almost every draft. They're already ML quality contact hitters on draft day. I'll grab one of these guys late in the draft and stick him in AAA. They always hit around .350 and they're ok to have around if one of your big league guys gets hurt. I've noticed they hit for high avg in the ML also. You won't get a lot of extra base hits or walks though.