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Old 05-16-2008, 12:05 PM   #101 (permalink)
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We're still discussing this... one option is that they could go to the DL.
Could be as simple as renaming the DL to "Disbaled/Inactive list" and then automatically move any suspended player there for whatever the duration of the suspension is.
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Hmmm... you could choose the career stats split, but there is no screen that has a player list which includes active & retired players, right? If not, I can add it, that's pretty simple.
Amigo, that's great. Here's a cool feature you might want to consider for down the line that utilizes this feature to great effect:

The ability to create your own All-Time Greatest List(s). It could be something that you can update whenever you want, but with the ability to filter the league's historical stats all the way up to your current season, the ability to easily match-up players at various positions and punch out one of those 'Greatest Lists' is enticing. Kind of like Allstar & Award voting.
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Old 05-16-2008, 12:27 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Ok, so Barry Bonds in the game has 54589475964 home runs right? And Clemens has 435354 wins, etc.. They just don't have their pictures included?
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Ok, good. Thanks Markus!
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Old 05-16-2008, 12:35 PM   #104 (permalink)
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If anyone finds the actual rule, let me know
I've been looking and I can't find a thing
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Could be as simple as renaming the DL to "Disbaled/Inactive list" and then automatically move any suspended player there for whatever the duration of the suspension is.
I think that's the simplest answer; with a notation (S)? for suspended.
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This link begs an inquiry into Rule 16. Looks like it refers to an established Restricted List.

The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: MLB amends rules for active rosters
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In screenies 4 and 5, the stats listed in the news article don't jive with the current-year stats in the baseball card.

It's July 2015, we have Schaefer batting .271 in the news and .291 on his card. Atkins is at .280 in the story and .281 on his card.
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perhaps somewhere for both suspended players and minor league DL candidates?
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Could be as simple as renaming the DL to "Disbaled/Inactive list" and then automatically move any suspended player there for whatever the duration of the suspension is.
I would prefer the DL be left as the DL and used for what it was meant to be used for.

Create a Suspended/Inactive list if you like, but don't change the DL into more than it's suposed to be.
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Does a suspended guy get paid during his suspension?
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Does a suspended guy get paid during his suspension?
I don't think he should be. I think it should take the total amount being docked from his pay and add that amount back to your budget total
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i think the mlb has a separate suspended list for its drug violators. here's one published from 2005. ESPN.com - MLB - Baseball suspension list

im still not sure what officially happens w/non-drug suspensions. richie sexson was suspended recently for 5 days for fighting. there is no indication that he was placed on any special list, demoted, disabled, etc. the team may have to eat the roster spot until he is eligible to play (which would fit the whole concept of punitive measures). given that most of these kinds of suspensions are rarely more than 6-7 days, theres no real need to move these players anywhere.

however, a 50 game suspension would probably require a special list. imagine if 2 of your major leaguers were suspended at the same time for their 2nd violation. would the teams have to play w/a 23 man roster for that time? hardly.

the MLB also uses a restricted list, which may be applicable for the drug situations. scott spezio recently found himself there, josh hamilton in the past before his comeback. but this list is also used for non-drug issues, like alex ramirez of the w.sox, who was placed on there with visa issues. it does allow a team to replace the player placed on the restricted list with another player. im just not sure if there is a specific time limit for this list or how the MLB deals w/player salaries while restricted.

EDIT: The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: MLB amends rules for active rosters
"Players suspended for violation of the drug program are placed on the restricted list"
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There is the resticted list and players that are suspended are placed on it. A player doesn't get paid well on this list. I know that teams use it in cases involving drugs and personal problems with players at the minor league level because josh hamilton spend a few seasons on this list. If possible you could create this where it would be like the DL but I don't think there is any time considerations like the DL has. It would be like an inactive list that exists in some of the foreign leagues already in OOTP. I wouldn't mind it being included in the MLB setup where you could have inactive players this would give suspended players a place to go. Also you'd have to take into effect that it would effect the players morale as players would not want to be inactive.In real life organizations have more guys signed then places to take into account injures at all levels.
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In screenies 4 and 5, the stats listed in the news article don't jive with the current-year stats in the baseball card.

It's July 2015, we have Schaefer batting .271 in the news and .291 on his card. Atkins is at .280 in the story and .281 on his card.
That's because the news is older than the league date... the player card always displays the most up-to-date stats.
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I've been a loyal OOTP player since Version three. Just wanted to drop a line as I've pre ordered and like the look of the new screens and features. As someone who manages every game I look forward to the new sound enhancements that have been implemented.

Markus is it in the works to have some moving players on the field such as the Football Manager game down the line?

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I would prefer the DL be left as the DL and used for what it was meant to be used for.

Create a Suspended/Inactive list if you like, but don't change the DL into more than it's suposed to be.
Well, my suggestion was made in the interest of not creating another window to cause even more of a fight for screen space in the transaction screen.
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I've been a loyal OOTP player since Version three. Just wanted to drop a line as I've pre ordered and like the look of the new screens and features. As someone who manages every game I look forward to the new sound enhancements that have been implemented.

Markus is it in the works to have some moving players on the field such as the Football Manager game down the line?

Thanks,

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Yeah, some day in the future we'll have animated 2D graphics
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Well, my suggestion was made in the interest of not creating another window to cause even more of a fight for screen space in the transaction screen.
I like the idea, that's basically what I had in mind as well...
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:41 PM   #119 (permalink)
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Well the screen space in the Transcations screen has never been considered a problem for me. As I can only view 4 screens at one time, my top left screen always shows my active roster, the bottom left screen shows the roster of my highest Minor League Level and the bottom right shows the roster of my lowest Minor League level. The top right screen I always use to toggle between the DL, DFA, Waivers, and sometimes 40-man roster. An extra screen to choose from wouldn't bother me one bit, I say BRING IT ON!!
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Here are the following player lists, as defined under Rule 2 in the 1986 Major League Rules (the most recent copy I have):

Active
Disabled
Disqualified
Ineligible
Military
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Suspended
Voluntarily Retired

In 2003, the Bereavement List was added.

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I would prefer the DL be left as the DL and used for what it was meant to be used for.

Create a Suspended/Inactive list if you like, but don't change the DL into more than it's suposed to be.
I agree with this. Changing the DL from it is supposed to be into something else not reflective of reality will only make changing it back to something more realistic later on more difficult.

It's always best to structure the transaction rules properly from the start. It means less problems later when trying to get them to function more in accordance with how they actually operate in the real world.
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