Question on arbitration and salary extension

[waltwa]

A player is up for arbitation. You then check his salary extension demands and they are listed.

example player wants a 2 yr contract at 2 mil. does this mean that if he wins arbitration he will be granted 2 mil or possibly a larger arbitration contract? The question is if you want to keep him does it make sense to grant him the contract or take a chance that he could be granted a much larger contract.

[Kelric]

That means what he wants from you in an extension. It has absolutely no real value to what he may or may not get in arbitration. (Now, saying that, maybe that is what he actually IS worth and will get in arb. But it may also be him overvaluing himself and he only gets $750k in arbitration.)

[waltwa]

another question on this point. in the game is there a time when you are informed what a player is asking for in arbitration. if so you might see a player is asking for 4mil and i am offering 1 mil but at that point you might say you don't want to take the chance he will be granted 4 mil and you decide to release him and not take the chance he will be given 4 mil.

I can't believe that if a marginal player is asking for 5 mil in arbitration and you feel he is a 500,00 player that you would go into arb taking a chance he might be given his demand. but what if u don't have any idea of his demand and then you find he is granted 5 mil

It might be a MLB rule tho that u don't know a demand in advance all u do is say he has the right to go into arb and take your chances w/o knowing hiis demand.

It seems that u should know his demand and then decide whether or not u want to take the chance but i would expect the game to follow the MLB procedure but i just don't know.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by waltwa

another question on this point. in the game is there a time when you are informed what a player is asking for in arbitration. if so you might see a player is asking for 4mil and i am offering 1 mil but at that point you might say you don't want to take the chance he will be granted 4 mil and you decide to release him and not take the chance he will be given 4 mil.

I can't believe that if a marginal player is asking for 5 mil in arbitration and you feel he is a 500,00 player that you would go into arb taking a chance he might be given his demand. but what if u don't have any idea of his demand and then you find he is granted 5 mil

It might be a MLB rule tho that u don't know a demand in advance all u do is say he has the right to go into arb and take your chances w/o knowing hiis demand.

It seems that u should know his demand and then decide whether or not u want to take the chance but i would expect the game to follow the MLB procedure but i just don't know.

You don't ever KNOW what he'll get in arbitration. It's not based off of what he wants and what you want to offer... the game determines his "worth" and does all that in the background. You can guess fairly accurately if you study it a bit... but the game never actually gives you a dollar figure clue.

What the guy is asking for in an extension, in my experience, is NEVER what he will get in arbitration (unless he's asking for minimum salary). I usually look at an extension offer for his 2nd or 3rd arbitration... and often will see superstars asking for 9+ mil... and I always pass, they always get far less.

The MLB rules don't mean much. The player asks for money, the team offers money, they negotiate. If they can't meet in the middle they go to arbitration. That's been one of the arguments about arbitration in OOTP for a while, the team ALWAYS knows what the player is asking for... and we should have a dollar amount estimate of what he may get in arbitration (instead of just telling us he's eligible).

Going back to your first post... from my experience he NEVER gets MORE than what he's asked for in an extension... it's always less. What he asks for is his "worth" on the free agent market, maybe... not his "worth" in arbitration.

[Kelric]

Nope, you don't compare arbitration numbers at all. Ever.

In real life, you do know what the other side is offering.

[waltwa]

2 more observations. with the exception of 2006 this is becoming a really great game that takes some real work and thought.

I am begginning to think i should get paid ( or fired) for this job.

[waltwa]

Kelric you mean u don't know what he is asking. i have no complaint other than the game should be just like MLB. and i don't kmow yhe mlb procedure

[kcroyalgm]

Arbitration is a crap shoot.
I usually try to sign players to contracts (or release them) rather than let arbitration happen.

One example of BAD arbitration. Marginal closer making $300K in his last year of auto salary, 4.79 ERA, and, get this, suffers a serious arm injury a month before arbitration that will sideline for 13 months. Despite a middling ERA and despite the fact he won't play AT ALL the next season, OOTP arbitration ups his salary from $300K to $1.725 million.

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by waltwa

Kelric you mean u don't know what he is asking. i have no complaint other than the game should be just like MLB. and i don't kmow yhe mlb procedure

You don't know what he is asking in arbitration and there is no way for you to make an offer to him to really 'arbitrate' between. There's either A) you cut him, B) you sign him to an extension (which is not an arbitration deal) or C) you go to 'arbitration' where the computer generates a rough number that he is worth and you are stuck with it no matter what.

[waltwa]

I think i have the answer but let me put it this way

!2/01 09 - arbitration is announced. the players state what they are asking.

12/02/09 teams decide on the asking price whether or not they want to enter arb with certain players or release them. No one knows the decision at this point but you are made aware of the worst case scenario.

I only want it to do it exactly as MLB does it and that i don't know.

My original question was does the asking price in a players extension price indicate what their arbitration asking price will be.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by waltwa

I think i have the answer but let me put it this way

!2/01 09 - arbitration is announced. the players state what they are asking.

12/02/09 teams decide on the asking price whether or not they want to enter arb with certain players or release them. No one knows the decision at this point but you are made aware of the worst case scenario.

I only want it to do it exactly as MLB does it and that i don't know.

My original question was does the asking price in a players extension price indicate what their arbitration asking price will be.

I answered this earlier, but...
In the game, what they ask for when you offer an extension (from all the times I've looked) is NEVER what they will get in arbitration, unless they're asking for the league minimum. They usually receive far less.

In the game, you never get a dollar figure clue as to what they will get in arbitration.

If you pay attention you can guess what they will get fairly accurately, when I was playing all the time I had estimates that were really really close 95+% of the time.

That's it. The game doesn't handle arbitration like MLB does, there is no trading of figures and trying to negotiate.