OOTP9 Update - Page 3

whitesocks · 05-24-2008, 12:01 PM

Is it a problem that I have not gotten an email newsletter about OOTP9? I read somewhere that you get the link to download your game in email and I do not want to be left out. If I have no problems then sorry for this post, but I really don't want to miss out...If you know what I mean....Thank you.....

Raidergoo · 05-24-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by whitesocks

Is it a problem that I have not gotten an email newsletter about OOTP9? I read somewhere that you get the link to download your game in email and I do not want to be left out. If I have no problems then sorry for this post, but I really don't want to miss out...If you know what I mean....Thank you.....

I still have not gotten the email for the newsletter.

When the time comes, links to different download sites will be plastered all over the place.

whitesocks · 05-24-2008, 02:16 PM

Thank you. At least I know that I am not alone and that I have no worries.... I guess now the only thing that I can do is sit back and wish that the game was already out. Ok I will stop bellyaching....

Raidergoo · 05-24-2008, 02:21 PM

Newsletter is here:

OOTP Developments Newsletter

Syd Thrift · 05-24-2008, 02:48 PM

a. aWesome. All the auto-calcing of tertiary league totals like double plays and wild pitches is really going to make this game super-realistic for dead ball era leagues without having to do a lot of setup.

b. Sadly, I think that spells the end of the Thriftlon Reports, at least version 1. I'd done so many calculations and stood by so many of them year after year that I don't know how to back out of that and let the game figure things out on its own. Still, I think that'll end up being a minor downside to some major upsides.

Wow. Already I started the "Argh" thread. Now I am REALLY in suspense for the release of this.

Childress · 05-25-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

an Extra base results from overthorws are included now. I've got a few of those virtual doubles from wild thows on bunting attempts, and infield "hits", but you never see multible extra bases.

You must have noticed this in v.8 which I don't own. In OOTP7 you get a lot of 'booted' grounders by infielders and outfielders, as well as mucho 'dropped flys'. Which defies credulity. The vast majority of OF errors, for example, are due to errant throws and they tend to result in the extra base- or worse.

Markus Heinsohn · 05-25-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Childress

You must have noticed this in v.8 which I don't own. In OOTP7 you get a lot of 'booted' grounders by infielders and outfielders, as well as mucho 'dropped flys'. Which defies credulity. The vast majority of OF errors, for example, are due to errant throws and they tend to result in the extra base- or worse.

The ratio of dropped balls to booted grounders to throwing errors are like in real life, we used real PbP Data to get these right

ms2002 · 05-28-2008, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

HR allowed is already modified by the groundball %...
Also, the pitching endurance system had been improved, more on that soon

Thanks for the quick response Markus! Was HR allowed already modified by the groundball % in OOTP8? Looking at the new HTML output, it looks like nothing has changed. It seems that the majority of pitchers have GB% greater than 50% and even quite a few more than 60%. This is far, far off the major league average. Seeing that SkyDog ran this league with default settings, it seems like the HR allowed are way down and the GB% is very high. The major league average GB% is roughly 43% and HR/FB% is 12%. If you're going to set a default in OOTP9, you might want to take that into consideration.

I know in OOTP8, I've had plenty of pitchers with GB% higher than 50% give up 30-40 HR per year consistently. Just like you made the hitter's contact rating relate to Avoid K's, Power and BABIP (brilliant), I think the pitcher's movement rating should directly relate to GB% (along with perhaps the type of pitches and the Stuff rating).

Here are some great reads about how GB%/FB% relate to home runs allowed:
Baseball Analysis, Graphs, Stats | Fan Graphs Research - Pitchers, Home Runs, & Fly Balls
Evaluating Pitcher Talent

Don't mean to nit-pick here, but I play the game for the amazing statistical engine and I think that the pitching is the only thing that needs a bit of tweaking to perfect this engine! I was hoping that this was going to be a major focus for OOTP9 and hope that you can take a look at it for future updates/versions. Thanks for all the hard work!

Starshadow · 05-28-2008, 04:57 AM

Groundball% is not the main indicator of HR allowed, movement is. A player's GB% could be in the 80s, but if his movement is low, he's still going to give up a ton of homers.

GB% does have an effect, however. Given equal movement ratings, the guy with the lower GB% will give up more homeruns.

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whitesocks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 61	Newsletter Is it a problem that I have not gotten an email newsletter about OOTP9? I read somewhere that you get the link to download your game in email and I do not want to be left out. If I have no problems then sorry for this post, but I really don't want to miss out...If you know what I mean....Thank you.....

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whitesocks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 61	Thank you... Thank you. At least I know that I am not alone and that I have no worries.... I guess now the only thing that I can do is sit back and wish that the game was already out. Ok I will stop bellyaching....

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05-24-2008, 02:48 PM	#45 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,113	a. aWesome. All the auto-calcing of tertiary league totals like double plays and wild pitches is really going to make this game super-realistic for dead ball era leagues without having to do a lot of setup. b. Sadly, I think that spells the end of the Thriftlon Reports, at least version 1. I'd done so many calculations and stood by so many of them year after year that I don't know how to back out of that and let the game figure things out on its own. Still, I think that'll end up being a minor downside to some major upsides. Wow. Already I started the "Argh" thread. Now I am REALLY in suspense for the release of this.

05-28-2008, 04:57 AM	#49 (permalink)
Starshadow Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 226	Groundball% is not the main indicator of HR allowed, movement is. A player's GB% could be in the 80s, but if his movement is low, he's still going to give up a ton of homers. GB% does have an effect, however. Given equal movement ratings, the guy with the lower GB% will give up more homeruns.