Fictional league preview over at the FOF boards

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

This board - you know, the official one for OOTP - should be where all the beta information/test results are posted. Not some private other board.

You do know that other forum is Skydog's forum.

I think he rather post it in his own forum. Markus did put a link here. It just takes one more click.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

You do know that other forum is Skydog's forum.

Yes. I also now that this forum is the only official OOTP forum, and therefore the one from which information about OOTP should be disseminated.

[kq76]

We need a Please Don't Feed the Trolls smiley.

That reminds me of the other day.. the wife and I were at Stanley Park enjoying some hot dogs and fries and she wanted to throw some bun to the one seagull that had been standing close to us for some time. I said please no, a couple times, until I said if you really want to, wait until we're almost done. By this time another seagull had come as well as a nasty crow. So we're almost done and I say, okay, if you really want to, go for it. So before she does I start to get off the ledge with the rest of fries in hand, she throws it and then there's a whole heck of a lot of squawking and then crows from everywhere are coming in. They realize I still have fries and start dive-bombing me left and right, a couple even taking a peck at me. I'm not kidding, it's like out of the movie. So I quickly snarf done the rest while she's laughing hysterically, rush to the nearest garbage, dump the container and go hide in the washroom. I tell ya, if that don't teach you a lesson I don't know what will.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yes. I also now that this forum is the only official OOTP forum, and therefore the one from which information about OOTP should be disseminated.

I understand if Markus is doing the review or has news, he should post here first.

But skydog can post anywhere he wants. He doesn't work for OOTP.

[Zitofan75]

Guys this issue is so yesterday. Whether he should've posted here first or not is immaterial, what's done is done and he did post it here anyhow. We have the information. We know more about the upcoming game than we did before because of this post. The thread is just spinning its wheels on this issue.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That's exactly the reason why

Take a look at the 4th leading HR hitter in Skydog's league. He hits 35-40 HR every year and his power rating in scouting jumps 75 points in either direction season after season.

Why would a bad scout not be able to tell you that an established power hitter has good power? Bad scouts should miss on potential for young player and be behind the curve. It shouldn't tell you that a player who hit 40 HR three consecutive seasons has gone from 50 power to 125 power back to 60 power. It's idiotic and shows that the premise of scouting is broken from the get-go.

[lynchjm24]

In FOFC spirit. Dola.

Player Report for #28 Sakutaro Ohayashi

Here is the player I'm talking about

2014 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2015 power rating 66
2015 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2016 power rating 116
2016 he hits 31 HR.
1-1-2017 power rating 55
2017 he hits 40 HR.
1-1-2018 power rating 58
2018 he hits 38 HR
1-1-2019 power rating 127

It gets worse if you can believe it.
Power goes to 105-70-52-121-125-72-55-69
HRs go 48-47-43-56-45-44-39-39

Scouting in this game has been and will forever be broken. If the only idea of scouting is that the scout has a rating and randomly will give an answer within +/- of the actual rating based on that rating then it's never going to improve.

The worst scout in the world knows who has the best power in the major leagues. The worst scout should tell me that last year's HR leaders have the highest power ratings - it's the good scouts who can tell you who will have good power numbers that didn't last year.

A somewhat simple solution is that as a player ages their ratings should get more exact. Then as they decline the better scouts should notice if more quickly. This current model is such a mess it's painful. Any moron can tell you who the best players in baseball are, and anyone who is capable of being employed as a scout can do at least as well as regurgitating the home run list for power ratings.

If those ratings are that useless they should be taken off the permanent record of the player - it's makes it look silly. The historical ratings should have a separate section in the player card as well as transactions and award and injuries. Having them all together makes them much less useful. I wish this was as important as flexible playoff scheduling, but I guess I'm in a minority. With scouting on it should record your head scouts rating. With it off it should record the actual ratings. These stupid SISA ratings shouldn't be on the permanent record - it takes what could be a useful feature and makes it infuriating. Watching players develop is a good amount of the fun of these games, these ridiculous ratings make that impossible.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yes. I also now that this forum is the only official OOTP forum, and therefore the one from which information about OOTP should be disseminated.

I guess that means that all the gaming sites shouldn't do reviews? That is some solid business advice.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

In FOFC spirit. Dola.

Player Report for #28 Sakutaro Ohayashi

Here is the player I'm talking about

2014 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2015 power rating 66
2015 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2016 power rating 116
2016 he hits 31 HR.
1-1-2017 power rating 55
2017 he hits 40 HR.
1-1-2018 power rating 58
2018 he hits 38 HR
1-1-2019 power rating 127

It gets worse if you can believe it.
Power goes to 105-70-52-121-125-72-55-69
HRs go 48-47-43-56-45-44-39-39

Scouting in this game has been and will forever be broken. If the only idea of scouting is that the scout has a rating and randomly will give an answer within +/- of the actual rating based on that rating then it's never going to improve.

The worst scout in the world knows who has the best power in the major leagues. The worst scout should tell me that last year's HR leaders have the highest power ratings - it's the good scouts who can tell you who will have good power numbers that didn't last year.

A somewhat simple solution is that as a player ages their ratings should get more exact. Then as they decline the better scouts should notice if more quickly. This current model is such a mess it's painful. Any moron can tell you who the best players in baseball are, and anyone who is capable of being employed as a scout can do at least as well as regurgitating the home run list for power ratings.

If those ratings are that useless they should be taken off the permanent record of the player - it's makes it look silly. The historical ratings should have a separate section in the player card as well as transactions and award and injuries. Having them all together makes them much less useful. I wish this was as important as flexible playoff scheduling, but I guess I'm in a minority. With scouting on it should record your head scouts rating. With it off it should record the actual ratings. These stupid SISA ratings shouldn't be on the permanent record - it takes what could be a useful feature and makes it infuriating. Watching players develop is a good amount of the fun of these games, these ridiculous ratings make that impossible.

Excellent post and I agree it does look silly seeing the power ratings jump all over like that.

If the OSA was the average by all the scouts in the league, that might work better maybe?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

I guess that means that all the gaming sites shouldn't do reviews? That is some solid business advice.

Ooh, a sixth grade straw man argument! Does that ever work for you?

No, what it means is that the important OOTP news should be posted *here* at the official site and not hither and yon.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Ooh, a sixth grade straw man argument! Does that ever work for you?

No, what it means is that the important OOTP news should be posted *here* at the official site and not hither and yon.

What's this important news that you speak of? And do you have a link to hither and yon?

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

In FOFC spirit. Dola.

Player Report for #28 Sakutaro Ohayashi

Here is the player I'm talking about

2014 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2015 power rating 66
2015 he hits 33 HR.
1-1-2016 power rating 116
2016 he hits 31 HR.
1-1-2017 power rating 55
2017 he hits 40 HR.
1-1-2018 power rating 58
2018 he hits 38 HR
1-1-2019 power rating 127

It gets worse if you can believe it.
Power goes to 105-70-52-121-125-72-55-69
HRs go 48-47-43-56-45-44-39-39

Scouting in this game has been and will forever be broken. If the only idea of scouting is that the scout has a rating and randomly will give an answer within +/- of the actual rating based on that rating then it's never going to improve.

The worst scout in the world knows who has the best power in the major leagues. The worst scout should tell me that last year's HR leaders have the highest power ratings - it's the good scouts who can tell you who will have good power numbers that didn't last year.

A somewhat simple solution is that as a player ages their ratings should get more exact. Then as they decline the better scouts should notice if more quickly. This current model is such a mess it's painful. Any moron can tell you who the best players in baseball are, and anyone who is capable of being employed as a scout can do at least as well as regurgitating the home run list for power ratings.

If those ratings are that useless they should be taken off the permanent record of the player - it's makes it look silly. The historical ratings should have a separate section in the player card as well as transactions and award and injuries. Having them all together makes them much less useful. I wish this was as important as flexible playoff scheduling, but I guess I'm in a minority. With scouting on it should record your head scouts rating. With it off it should record the actual ratings. These stupid SISA ratings shouldn't be on the permanent record - it takes what could be a useful feature and makes it infuriating. Watching players develop is a good amount of the fun of these games, these ridiculous ratings make that impossible.

sigh... another year with scouts turned off

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by fantom1979

sigh... another year with scouts turned off

ARGH.

OSA has nothing to do with the real scouts in the game.... if you do not like it, do not look at it.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

ARGH.

OSA has nothing to do with the real scouts in the game.... if you do not like it, do not look at it.

Sorry... overreaction I'll have a look at it again and see if I can avoid these swings. Although OSA needs to be off for most players, especially young ones.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Sorry... overreaction I'll have a look at it again and see if I can avoid these swings. Although OSA needs to be off for most players, especially young ones.

Markus your reaction is perfectly understandable. You have put much effort into the scouts and OSA. Sometimes it's good to vent and not hold it in. No problem.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

A somewhat simple solution is that as a player ages their ratings should get more exact. Then as they decline the better scouts should notice if more quickly. This current model is such a mess it's painful. Any moron can tell you who the best players in baseball are, and anyone who is capable of being employed as a scout can do at least as well as regurgitating the home run list for power ratings.

The scouts work exactly that way, OSA does not. But I will tweak it, it seems many people are irritated by the way OSA works

[chimanbj]

Guys, please try to be constructive with your criticism...using words like moron doesn't really provide for a supportive environment for Markus. It just makes us look like complainers, when what we look for is a tweak in one way or another...

[kq76]

Markus, you said the intangibles (work ethic, intelligence, etc) would make it back onto the html pages (and view customizations within the game), but I don't see them on that player page. Did SkyDog just have them off and they don't then show? If not, there's still plenty of room for them to the right of the fielding ratings.

[Corsairs]

Originally Posted by chimanbj

Guys, please try to be constructive with your criticism...using words like moron doesn't really provide for a supportive environment for Markus. It just makes us look like complainers, when what we look for is a tweak in one way or another...

Agreed. I'd also like to see a change to the way the OSA scouting reports are presented, but it's important we keep ourselves in check when bringing up things that are important to us. We're lucky to have direct access to a developer that is attentive to our desires. Let's reward that attentiveness by presenting our arguments in a respectful way.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Sorry... overreaction I'll have a look at it again and see if I can avoid these swings. Although OSA needs to be off for most players, especially young ones.

Understandable reaction to me. If people would just read Markus' initial posts, he wouldn't have to explain it over and over again.