Many redundant names? - Page 2

BPS · 05-31-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

You seem awfully wise-ass in this post. Of course, the Ramones used stage names, unlikes the guys I brought up, and I never claimed to prove anything...

You have to agree that someone reading your post about the two people with the same name cannot tell what you intended to imply. A reasonable person could have interpreted your earlier posting as "wise-ass," no?

That's just the nature of boards such as this.

Bishop · 06-01-2008, 12:09 AM

are all of those coaches former players?

There's a bug in OOTP 2007/8 where former players who become coaches duplicate, sometimes more than simply two.

So it may not just be redundant names, but the same former player.

I was really hoping that'd been fixed, as I don't play with coaches on as a result.

BPS · 06-01-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishop

are all of those coaches former players?

Bingo!

I looked at three (and only three) non-hispanic named coaches that had duplicates in the coach listing: Andre Isberg, Hackett Mallenbrandt, and Dave Collins.

All three names were also listed as ex-players. That's 3 out of 3.

It looks like the problem that existed in 07/08 exists in the upcoming version too.

(A problem also seems to exist with the name "Takahashi": 5 coaches had this last name and so too did a couple of players (one of which, I think, became a coach). I'm not sure of the frequency of this name but this seems a really high number for one particular name).

Edit: And I might add...Q.E.D.

OldFatGuy · 06-01-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop

are all of those coaches former players?

There's a bug in OOTP 2007/8 where former players who become coaches duplicate, sometimes more than simply two.

So it may not just be redundant names, but the same former player.

I was really hoping that'd been fixed, as I don't play with coaches on as a result.

Anytime I find bugs like this it discourages me, but I always want to know if theres a user workaround. I posted in another thread a similar question and got no response, so I expect the same here too, but I'll ask anyway because I play out all of my games and its gonna take me awhile to get to these situations to test them myself, so if anyone knows already please respond to this question: Can you go into commish mode and delete the duplicate coaches/former players??? Would this be a user workaround??? I've still never daddled much in commish mode and am not clear at all as to its abilities. Or, if you can't delete them, perhaps change their names?? Or are coaches that were former players somehow "linked" to their player history and even if you change his name he'll still be linked????

Any help for a sill relative noob is appreciated. Thanks

(And if anyone knows the answer to my other workaround question concerning crashes when promoting personnel, its in the Markus Alert - Logged Issue thread down a ways on this page.

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Curtis · 06-01-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

(And if anyone knows the answer to my other workaround question concerning crashes when promoting personnel, its in the Markus Alert - Logged Issue thread down a ways on this page.

)

That has been replied to in that thread, but in case you missed it in all the irrelevance about spelling and threatening to quit, the answer was 'no workaround'.

Bishop · 06-02-2008, 02:15 AM

Is there any news that this is on the radar for fixing in 9?

BPS · 06-04-2008, 01:07 AM

New Available Coaches data posted.

We now have 5 redundant names in the available coaches list. Of these, 3 had the same name as a retired player. And of these, 2 were the same age.

Dae-hwan Sin appears as the name of a manager and a hitting coach in the available coach list. Both of these "coaches" are listed as 48 years old. And a Dae-hwan Sin is listed as a retired player.

Cesar Martinez is listed as a manager and as a hitting coach. Both of these coaches are listed as 51 years old. And a Cesar Martinez is listed as a retired player.

The above suggests that the game is still producing multiple versions of some retired players who go into coaching. Of course, the above is for only those listed as available coaches. More redundant named coaches might also appear if employed coaches are investigated.

On the other hand, a Juan Silva is listed as a pitching coach and as a manager on the available coaches list. But one is listed as 43 and the other as 49. A Juan Silva is also listed as a retired player. But whether he is one (or both) of the coach Juan Silvas is not clear.

Bishop · 06-04-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

New Available Coaches data posted.

We now have 5 redundant names in the available coaches list. Of these, 3 had the same name as a retired player. And of these, 2 were the same age.

Dae-hwan Sin appears as the name of a manager and a hitting coach in the available coach list. Both of these "coaches" are listed as 48 years old. And a Dae-hwan Sin is listed as a retired player.

Cesar Martinez is listed as a manager and as a hitting coach. Both of these coaches are listed as 51 years old. And a Cesar Martinez is listed as a retired player.

The above suggests that the game is still producing multiple versions of some retired players who go into coaching. Of course, the above is for only those listed as available coaches. More redundant named coaches might also appear if employed coaches are investigated.

On the other hand, a Juan Silva is listed as a pitching coach and as a manager on the available coaches list. But one is listed as 43 and the other as 49. A Juan Silva is also listed as a retired player. But whether he is one (or both) of the coach Juan Silvas is not clear.

The duplicates will always have the same birthdate, otherwise it's coincidence.

Childress · 06-04-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

Cesar Martinez is listed as a manager and as a hitting coach. Both of these coaches are listed as 51 years old. And a Cesar Martinez is listed as a retired player.

OT, but here's another minor beef. Why do all the Latin players have Latin first names? There are not an insignificant number of American born Hispanics with names like 'Bob' or 'Erik'. Sometimes they don't know a word of Spanish. I know a few.

Bishop · 06-05-2008, 08:40 PM

Could we get some kind of hint that this is fixed for V9 please?

BPS · 06-05-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Could we get some kind of hint that this is fixed for V9 please?

Particularly as we read in the most recent newsletter: "Added "turn into coach" feature for retired players."

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Bishop All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 620	are all of those coaches former players? There's a bug in OOTP 2007/8 where former players who become coaches duplicate, sometimes more than simply two. So it may not just be redundant names, but the same former player. I was really hoping that'd been fixed, as I don't play with coaches on as a result. __________________ Last edited by Bishop : 06-01-2008 at 12:11 AM.

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Bishop All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 620	Is there any news that this is on the radar for fixing in 9? __________________

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06-04-2008, 01:07 AM	#27 (permalink)
BPS Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: 1968 Cat Olympics Posts: 296	New Available Coaches data posted. We now have 5 redundant names in the available coaches list. Of these, 3 had the same name as a retired player. And of these, 2 were the same age. Dae-hwan Sin appears as the name of a manager and a hitting coach in the available coach list. Both of these "coaches" are listed as 48 years old. And a Dae-hwan Sin is listed as a retired player. Cesar Martinez is listed as a manager and as a hitting coach. Both of these coaches are listed as 51 years old. And a Cesar Martinez is listed as a retired player. The above suggests that the game is still producing multiple versions of some retired players who go into coaching. Of course, the above is for only those listed as available coaches. More redundant named coaches might also appear if employed coaches are investigated. On the other hand, a Juan Silva is listed as a pitching coach and as a manager on the available coaches list. But one is listed as 43 and the other as 49. A Juan Silva is also listed as a retired player. But whether he is one (or both) of the coach Juan Silvas is not clear.