Swinging To Cambodia

[RMc]

I read an article recently about how baseball is gaining popularity, in, all of places, Cambodia. (They even have a website!) So I created a Cambodian Baseball League. One problem: most of the names were American, a surprise in a country that's near-homogenous Khmer. A quick check reveals that the main ethnicity in Cambodia in OOTP is American, 80%. (It's also set for 15% Vietnamese and 5% Chinese).

Here are the countries (besides the USA) whose main ethnicity is American (code 0):

Cambodia
East Timor
Guam
Iceland
Israel (!)
Mauritius
Mongolia (!!)
Nauru
Principe
Sao Tome & Principe
Solomon Islands
Sri Lanka
Surinam

Any chance these nations will get the right ethnicities in OOTP9?

[RMc]

BTW, I found some Cambodian (and other Asian) names in this article...

[blackrussian]

OOTP aside, this is one of the more interesting/inspiring stories ive read in a while.

[Eumel]

Originally Posted by RMc

Israel (!)

Russian would make more sense, as long as there are no Hebrew names.

Principe

This shouldn't even be a nation.

Sri Lanka

A portion of the population has British names, so it's at least not completely weird.

From what I know the number of name files in the game is capped, so there's really no way around silly names for some nations. The German name file is actually silly in itself already...

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by Eumel

This shouldn't even be a nation.

Well not on its own, no, but with Sao Tome it is.

[Eumel]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Well not on its own, no, but with Sao Tome it is.

Yeah, but the list above has both versions.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by Eumel

Yeah, but the list above has both versions.

So it does. My apologies to you. I don't know how I couldn't see it.

[RMc]

From what I know the number of name files in the game is capped, so there's really no way around silly names for some nations.

Can anyone confirm this? Hello, Markus!

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by RMc

From what I know the number of name files in the game is capped, so there's really no way around silly names for some nations.

Can anyone confirm this? Hello, Markus!

There is a limit of 40 namesets, but as to the reasoning behind that, I'm at a loss. There doesn't appear to be inherently any problem with more than that.

[RMc]

Let's take these one at a time (*IBAF members):

Cambodia*: 95% ethnic Khmer, a few Vietnamese and other Asians.

East Timor: Austronesian (Malayo-Polynesian), Papuan, small Chinese minority.

Guam*: Native Chamorros (57%), Filipino (25.5%), White (10%), Chinese, Japanese and Korean ancestry.

Iceland: Icelandic (Nordic/Celtic origin). A small minority of Eastern Europeans in recent years.

Israel*: Jewish (75%), Israeli Arab (20%), "Unaffilated" (mostly from the old USSR; 5%).

Mauritius: Indian/South Asian 68%, Creole 27%, Chinese 3%, French 2%.

Mongolia*: Mongol 90%, Kazakh 4%, other 6%.

Nauru: Native Nauruan (a mix of Melanesian, Micronesian and Polynesian; 58%), other Pacific Islander (26%), Europeans (8%) and Chinese (8%).

Sao Tome & Principe: Well, it's complicated. Some mix of African and Portuguese (with a sprinkling of Chinese) should work.

Solomon Islands: Melanesian (94.5%), Polynesian (3%) and Micronesian (1.2%).

Sri Lanka*: Native Sinhalese (73.8%), Sri Lanka Tamils (some native, some Indian; 18%); Muslims (8%), a few European descendants

Surinam: A diverse mix of East Indians (37%), Creole (31%), Javanese (Southeast Asians; 15%), "Maroons" (descendants of African slaves; 8%), White (5%), Amerindian (2%), Chinese (2%). Whew.

So it looks like you're gonna need about another dozen ethnicities to run the table here. I'd start with the five countries (*) that are actually members of the IBAF...

[Who Killed Kenny?]

Originally Posted by RMc

Here are the countries (besides the USA) whose main ethnicity is American (code 0):

Any chance these nations will get the right ethnicities in OOTP9?

We are only able to have 40 different name databases. However there are well over 40 countries and languages. I believe a decision was made by the volunteers who compiled the names to make those countries English because they are 1) not big baseball-playing countries and 2) an "assumption" was made that those from those countries would be American ex-pats living in that country. I wish that 40 name database limit was relaxed so that we could have an unlimited number of names, but it is what it is.

[Who Killed Kenny?]

Originally Posted by RMc

Iceland: Icelandic (Nordic/Celtic origin). A small minority of Eastern Europeans in recent years.

They have wildly different naming system than us American are used to. Their last name is based off their father's first name. (Icelantic Names)

Eric Jonsson has a father whos first name is Jon. His son will have a last name of Ericsson.

SO everyone in the names database will have a last name -sson

[Long_Long_Name]

From what I remember, as I worked on the name database (Canadian and French Canadian) for OOTP 2006, there were two problems with the names of countries such as Cambodia:

1. We didn't have time to look for data for every single country in the world.
2. Those we did look for were frequently non-exhaustive. If you're going to have 50 last names for Mongolia, well, it'll suck to have a Mongolian league, because the redundant name "bug" would clearly appear in there.

That said, Mongolians have amazing names, perhaps we should investigate further.

[RMc]

I wish that 40 name database limit was relaxed so that we could have an unlimited number of names, but it is what it is.

Yoo-hoo, Markus...!

[Antonin]

There are definitely some issues with the way names and ethnicities are handled. I created an Angolan league and 1) almost all of the names were Portuguese and 2) almost all of the faces were Caucasian.

The face issue is easily remedied by simply going through and changing them, but this is rather tedious.

I, too, wish the name database could be expanded. If national and ethnic customization is going to be part of OOTP, it should be done right.

[Eumel]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

That said, Mongolians have amazing names, perhaps we should investigate further.

Actually, Mongolian names are a lot like the Icelandic ones in structure. No family names, but father's names. Not that this is of any importance to OOTP

[Dogzilla]

With the 40 nameset limit, there's just no good options for some countries, like the ones you listed.
I was hoping this limit could be increased, even if OOTP didn't fill the other sets, because I've already done most of that. Any increase would be helpful, I could use about 80+.

[Eumel]

In that case, one could probably go all the way to 256, no? 80 is just as arbitrary as 40 is.

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by Eumel

In that case, one could probably go all the way to 256, no? 80 is just as arbitrary as 40 is.

There's no need for a limit as far as I can see (apart from the structure imposed one of just over 4 billion).

The problem comes with the nations that are all limited to a maximum of 5 namesets.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by redsoxford

There's no need for a limit as far as I can see (apart from the structure imposed one of just over 4 billion).

The problem comes with the nations that are all limited to a maximum of 5 namesets.

Yes, but 256 makes more sense, since it's a bit more than teh number of countries in the world, but not a huge number.

As for the number of namesets per country is there any reason that is capped at 5?