EOY awards

Claybor · 06-04-2008, 07:26 AM

Player/stat evaluation could use some tweaking so that it does not rediculously overvalue homeruns.

Example;

Player 1: .297 average - 23 Homeruns (33rd in baseball) - 80 RBI's (59th) -Winner rookie of the year

Player 2: .370 average (1st) - 225 hits (1st) - 112 runs scored (2nd) - 90 stolen bases (2nd) - Not rookie of the year? How? In what universe?

I know it isnt a big deal, but player 1 winning the ROY is just plain assinine. Just wanted to vent my frustration a bit. :]

Ambermonk · 06-04-2008, 10:53 AM

This may have been a case of your strong player not having enough at-bats to qualify for EOY awards. For any player to qualify, they must have at least 3.1 ABs times the number of games in a season.

I have advocated making the 3.1 number a manual setting so that we could set our own parameters but I don't think Markus is going to do that at this time. Since I rotate my subs a lot, my entire team failed to qualify for an EOY award! They might as well have been playing on the moon.

OldFatGuy · 06-04-2008, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambermonk

This may have been a case of your strong player not having enough at-bats to qualify for EOY awards. For any player to qualify, they must have at least 3.1 ABs times the number of games in a season.

I have advocated making the 3.1 number a manual setting so that we could set our own parameters but I don't think Markus is going to do that at this time. Since I rotate my subs a lot, my entire team failed to qualify for an EOY award! They might as well have been playing on the moon.

Note the 225 hits.

falkonisback · 06-04-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambermonk

This may have been a case of your strong player not having enough at-bats to qualify for EOY awards. For any player to qualify, they must have at least 3.1 ABs times the number of games in a season.

I have advocated making the 3.1 number a manual setting so that we could set our own parameters but I don't think Markus is going to do that at this time. Since I rotate my subs a lot, my entire team failed to qualify for an EOY award! They might as well have been playing on the moon.

225 hits and not enough ABs to qualify? Holy hell!!

Ambermonk · 06-04-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by falkonisback

225 hits and not enough ABs to qualify? Holy hell!!

Here's what Markus had to say on the subject...

The reason why no hitters show up for you is that none of your players has more than the limit of 310 PA (3.1 * Team game). That is because of the player usage settings in your depth chart.

League History - Leaderboard Question - Markus?

Who Killed Kenny? · 06-04-2008, 11:16 AM

Maybe you're just a victim of probablility. I'm making theses numbers up, but if Player 1 had a 1% chance of winning the award and Player 2 had 99%, its entirely possible that the "dice" was rolled against your favor and Player 2 lost. IMHO, this randomness in necessary in keeping the game realistic. I bet others can find instances in real life where the better player lost.

OldFatGuy · 06-04-2008, 11:16 AM

I guess we were trying to reason that he DID enough AB's to qualify. A little math of 225 hits and a .370 BA would indicate over 600 AB's, about 608 if my math is anywhere near correct. But, also, in the case of ROY awards, I don't think a winner has to qualify for that one as they do for the others. Anyways, guess that's where we were coming from.

OldFatGuy · 06-04-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Killed Kenny?

Maybe you're just a victim of probablility. I'm making theses numbers up, but if Player 1 had a 1% chance of winning the award and Player 2 had 99%, its entirely possible that the "dice" was rolled against your favor and Player 2 lost. IMHO, this randomness in necessary in keeping the game realistic. I bet others can find instances in real life where the better player lost.

True that, but it's hard to feel better knowing that in this case. In fact, I would be hard pressed to even give the other guy in THIS case a 1% chance, but I guess if 100 people looked at those two, you might find one who would argue.

Cryomaniac · 06-04-2008, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambermonk

This may have been a case of your strong player not having enough at-bats to qualify for EOY awards. For any player to qualify, they must have at least 3.1 ABs times the number of games in a season.

I have advocated making the 3.1 number a manual setting so that we could set our own parameters but I don't think Markus is going to do that at this time. Since I rotate my subs a lot, my entire team failed to qualify for an EOY award! They might as well have been playing on the moon.

It should definitely be a manual setting, hell let us set it at whatever we want, if it screws up our leaderboards, that's our own fault. Personally 3.1PA / game is ok, but I think the pitching should be a little higher (maybe 2IP / game, or maybe 1 2/3 IP / game)

Claybor · 06-04-2008, 06:12 PM

He was a leadoff hitter and played nearly every game. 600+ AB's.

professor ape · 06-04-2008, 07:02 PM

It would be very cool if the EOY awards ran similar to IRL. The logic could give the different "voters" various perferred criteria for their selections. Some voters may be "old school" and be focused on batting average, HRs and RBIs while others may favor pitchers, and some go for Sabermetrics, etc. Of course it would add to the realism if the voters showed a bit of a home town bias.

This would almost certainly take care of issues like the one driving this thread. Maybe there would be a voter or two who 'dig the long ball' and would put the HR guy above the leadoff hitter but the bulk of the voters would drive the award to the right guy.

It would be fun to be able to look at the league history and see if anyone was a unanimous selection for awards or other years with highly contested votes. This kind of model could extend to All-Star voting and even the Hall of Fame.

Of course I have to put in the requisite disclaimer that this could be added as an option with the ability to be toggled on/off.

conception · 06-04-2008, 08:28 PM

To me, position is a big factor. I always oversee awards selection, though, so it always goes to the right guy.

Left-handed Badger · 06-05-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

To me, position is a big factor. I always oversee awards selection, though, so it always goes to the right guy.

Agreed. Though I still would give it to #2 guy though. (I wll resist making an assinine anti-VORP comment.

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Markus Heinsohn · 06-05-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Claybor

Player/stat evaluation could use some tweaking so that it does not rediculously overvalue homeruns.

Example;

Player 1: .297 average - 23 Homeruns (33rd in baseball) - 80 RBI's (59th) -Winner rookie of the year

Player 2: .370 average (1st) - 225 hits (1st) - 112 runs scored (2nd) - 90 stolen bases (2nd) - Not rookie of the year? How? In what universe?

I know it isnt a big deal, but player 1 winning the ROY is just plain assinine. Just wanted to vent my frustration a bit. :]

What are the other number? OBP, OPS, VORP, RC/27, position played etc?

chimanbj · 06-05-2008, 10:29 AM

When I look at the EOY awards, I usually see the players with the highest VORP rating getting the award. But when I have a team and I see that one of my players DESERVES an award, I will go into the manual award voting screen, ask the computer, and then make changes as I feel are necessary. that way I don't run into that problem.

06-04-2008, 07:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,151	EOY awards Player/stat evaluation could use some tweaking so that it does not rediculously overvalue homeruns. Example; Player 1: .297 average - 23 Homeruns (33rd in baseball) - 80 RBI's (59th) -Winner rookie of the year Player 2: .370 average (1st) - 225 hits (1st) - 112 runs scored (2nd) - 90 stolen bases (2nd) - Not rookie of the year? How? In what universe? I know it isnt a big deal, but player 1 winning the ROY is just plain assinine. Just wanted to vent my frustration a bit. :]

06-04-2008, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ambermonk All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 787	This may have been a case of your strong player not having enough at-bats to qualify for EOY awards. For any player to qualify, they must have at least 3.1 ABs times the number of games in a season. I have advocated making the 3.1 number a manual setting so that we could set our own parameters but I don't think Markus is going to do that at this time. Since I rotate my subs a lot, my entire team failed to qualify for an EOY award! They might as well have been playing on the moon. __________________ *I cast this question into your soul, that I might know how deep it is* - Friedrich Nietzsche It often shows a fine command of language - to say nothing! - Bertrand Russell

06-04-2008, 08:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
conception Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 267	To me, position is a big factor. I always oversee awards selection, though, so it always goes to the right guy. __________________ PEBA- Florida Featherheads owner BTI- Chicago Cubs owner

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chimanbj All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 699	When I look at the EOY awards, I usually see the players with the highest VORP rating getting the award. But when I have a team and I see that one of my players DESERVES an award, I will go into the manual award voting screen, ask the computer, and then make changes as I feel are necessary. that way I don't run into that problem. __________________ People ask if I'm a Cubs or White Sox fan...I tell them, proudly, I'm a Phillies Phan!

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06-04-2008, 11:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Who Killed Kenny? Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 211	Maybe you're just a victim of probablility. I'm making theses numbers up, but if Player 1 had a 1% chance of winning the award and Player 2 had 99%, its entirely possible that the "dice" was rolled against your favor and Player 2 lost. IMHO, this randomness in necessary in keeping the game realistic. I bet others can find instances in real life where the better player lost.

06-04-2008, 11:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
OldFatGuy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 741	I guess we were trying to reason that he DID enough AB's to qualify. A little math of 225 hits and a .370 BA would indicate over 600 AB's, about 608 if my math is anywhere near correct. But, also, in the case of ROY awards, I don't think a winner has to qualify for that one as they do for the others. Anyways, guess that's where we were coming from.

06-04-2008, 06:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,151	He was a leadoff hitter and played nearly every game. 600+ AB's.

06-04-2008, 07:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
professor ape Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 230	It would be very cool if the EOY awards ran similar to IRL. The logic could give the different "voters" various perferred criteria for their selections. Some voters may be "old school" and be focused on batting average, HRs and RBIs while others may favor pitchers, and some go for Sabermetrics, etc. Of course it would add to the realism if the voters showed a bit of a home town bias. This would almost certainly take care of issues like the one driving this thread. Maybe there would be a voter or two who 'dig the long ball' and would put the HR guy above the leadoff hitter but the bulk of the voters would drive the award to the right guy. It would be fun to be able to look at the league history and see if anyone was a unanimous selection for awards or other years with highly contested votes. This kind of model could extend to All-Star voting and even the Hall of Fame. Of course I have to put in the requisite disclaimer that this could be added as an option with the ability to be toggled on/off.