Recalc one year question

[68pirate]

I've been playing the game for a couple of months now and love it. I've already ordered 9 and am excited to hear about the improvements to historicals, which is my preferred way to play. By the way, i'm currently using version 8.0.0.13.
My question is this. If I have recalc set to 1 year, shouldn't player ratings change every year based on that player's previous year's real life stats? I also have my modifiers set to no reductions for limited at bats or innings pitched. In other words, if a player hit .400 in 10 real life at bats I want him to be created to have a contact rating enabling him to hit close to .400.
Via the player editor, using the "resulting stats" section, I have an example player for you, 1988 Benny Distefano.
In real life in 1988, he hit .345/.394/.621. His ratings if I import him from Lahman, on a 20-80 scale, are 75-25-55-45 (contact-gap-hr-eye), which result in a projected line of .331/.374/.440. Even worse, his rating in a continuous sim started in 1984, with recalc of one year, are 40-35-30-35, which result in a projected line of .190/.232/.244. Neither one of these projections are close enough to his real life stats, although the Lahman import is reasonable with the exception of slugging.
Is there no way, without manually editing the ratings myself, to have a player advance through a continuous sim and have his abilities change every offseason to reasonably recreate his real life seasons and career?
Incidentally, I don't use coaches, scouts, morale, randomness, or any other setting which may affect performance.
I know this was kinda long-winded...thanks for listening.

Keith

[DaddyO]

Good question. I'd like to know the answer to that, since I am contemplating moving from DMB to OOTP9. I bought two previous versions of OOTP on a kind of exploratory basis but for whatever reason didn't find myself hooked. If I buy it this time it will be with the definite intent of making the switch to a developer that gives a rip about his PC game product.

[JWay]

I believe if you weight the ratings 100% based on the previous year then yes, it'd recalc, if you want your previous years of simulation to influence it, you can change the percentages around to whatever you want them to be.

There is also a setting to make players bad. And its default is like 20 ABs, where any player under that is thought to have "prospect" status of some sort and the game ignores stats. If you set it to zero, the game would see 10 Abs the same as 400, I'd assume.

[kagnew35]

If you look closer at set up, you will see 1 year recalc is NOT recommended. Use the 3 year instead, gives better results.

[BruceM]

The 1, 3, & 5 year recalc option is entirely up to the individual and is a personal preference. No where is it NOT recommended to use any of them. Three years is the recommendation, however you should try them out for yourself and see which you like best.

From the manual:

player ratings based on real stats after each year

Forces OOTP to recalculate player ratings after each season based on how the players performed in real life. For example, if in the next season in real life a player performed at a much higher level, his OOTP ratings will increase automatically. If this is not enabled, players will improve normally according to their OOTP potential ratings.

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Ratings recalculation base

Determines the base to be used for player ratings recalculations. You can
choose 1, 3, or 5 years. For example, choosing three years means that
OOTP will recalculate ratings based on the next 3 years of the imported

players’ career.

[kagnew35]

If you're adjusting LTM's after each season for historical accuracy the line below states "Does not work properly when ratings recalc of 1 year is enabled"

[68pirate]

Thank you for the responses. I do understand the instructions as provided in the manual, however I am not getting the intended result when choosing one year recalc. It is my understanding that one year recalc is intended to most accurately reproduce an individual's stats for that season. Thus, unless you indicate that you want to penalize players with few real life at bats or inning pitched, you will get monster ratings for players with a small sample size but monster real life numbers. If somebody hit 1 hr in only 10 real life at bats, his ratings should project to 55 hr in the 550 at bats that the "resulting stats" line of the player editor displays. I understand that choosing 3 or 5 year recalc may better represent that player, but I want the extreme results provided by one year recalc which should come closer to representing that one specific season of that player's career.
Incidentally, I have "automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" unchecked because of the indication that it will not work with one year recalc enabled. Using my earlier player example, a player with a .345/.394/.621 real life stat line should not produce ratings as low as 40-35-30-35 on a 20-80 scale. This player's ratings should be near 80's across the board for this one season, and then be reduced the following season when he comes back down to earth.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by kagnew35

If you're adjusting LTM's after each season for historical accuracy the line below states "Does not work properly when ratings recalc of 1 year is enabled"

True, but I'm not talking about LTM's, I'm talking about recalc.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by BruceM

True, but I'm not talking about LTM's, I'm talking about recalc.

I don't understand shorthand sometimes. What are LTM's?

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I don't understand shorthand sometimes. What are LTM's?

League Total's Modifiers

Originally Posted by 68pirate

I've been playing the game for a couple of months now and love it. I've already ordered 9 and am excited to hear about the improvements to historicals, which is my preferred way to play. By the way, i'm currently using version 8.0.0.13.
My question is this. If I have recalc set to 1 year, shouldn't player ratings change every year based on that player's previous year's real life stats? I also have my modifiers set to no reductions for limited at bats or innings pitched. In other words, if a player hit .400 in 10 real life at bats I want him to be created to have a contact rating enabling him to hit close to .400.
Via the player editor, using the "resulting stats" section, I have an example player for you, 1988 Benny Distefano.
In real life in 1988, he hit .345/.394/.621. His ratings if I import him from Lahman, on a 20-80 scale, are 75-25-55-45 (contact-gap-hr-eye), which result in a projected line of .331/.374/.440. Even worse, his rating in a continuous sim started in 1984, with recalc of one year, are 40-35-30-35, which result in a projected line of .190/.232/.244. Neither one of these projections are close enough to his real life stats, although the Lahman import is reasonable with the exception of slugging.
Is there no way, without manually editing the ratings myself, to have a player advance through a continuous sim and have his abilities change every offseason to reasonably recreate his real life seasons and career?
Incidentally, I don't use coaches, scouts, morale, randomness, or any other setting which may affect performance.
I know this was kinda long-winded...thanks for listening.

Keith

I think the problem here may be that you are anticipating the ratings change each year based on the PREVIOUS year's RL stats, whereas I think, am I'm not sure, the program recalcs based on the player's NEXT year's RL stats. Could this explain what you're seeing???

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

League Total's Modifiers

Ah yes. I'm brain dead at times.

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Ah yes. I'm brain dead at times.

It's a way of life for me.

[68pirate]

Thank you again for the responses. I am anticipating ratings changes based on the following season's real life stats, not the previous season's. So, on 1/1/88, I expect Benny Distefano's ratings to change to reflect his real-life 1988 results of .345/.394/.621. They did not change.

Another example I will give you to hopefully further explain my point. 1987 Tom Prince in real life hit .222/.222/.667 in 9 at bats. On 1/1/87 according to his player history his ratings (again, I do not use scouts) were 35 contact, 30 power, 35 eye. If you import his 1987 year via Lahman, the import gives him ratings of 40 contact, 80 power, 20 eye. The import ratings should lead to close to his real line of .222/.222/.667. His one year recalc ratings will not.

To summarize, I was of the opinion that ratings using 1 year recalc would match ratings generated by importing that player, that season from Lahman. They do not match. Lahman appears to be accurate, 1 year recalc appears to not generate accurate player ratings for that season. If one year recalc worked properly, 1987 Tom Prince would have 80 power and 1988 Tom Prince (when he only slugged .203) would have 20 power.

I do love this game and all of the features I have never found in other games. However, I am frustrated with the fact that 1 year recalc does not appear to do what it's intended to do, which, I thought, was to come close to reproducing individual seasons within the context of a career.