Pick two!

SittingDuck · 04-29-2008, 10:38 PM

Pick two of these starters as the core 1-2 for your deadly mid-late 60's starting staff.

NOTE: didn't find a way for the website software to limit you to just two choices, so people are on their honor in picking just two.

Kelric · 04-29-2008, 11:10 PM

Hunter had only a handful of really good seasons, he was pretty much average the rest of the time. Of course, Ryan was maddeningly inconsistent as well, but nobody was better than him back then when he was on.

It came down to Seaver, Carlton and Ryan for me. My head says Seaver and Carlton, my heart says Seaver and Ryan. I went with Tom Terrific and Carlton for the right-left punch, ultimately.

Base Stealer · 04-30-2008, 01:33 AM

Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan for me

BruceM · 04-30-2008, 06:36 AM

Do you have player recalc enabled or disabled?

SittingDuck · 04-30-2008, 09:50 AM

funny - i didn't even think about that. whatever works for you. i am really just saying who you like as a pitcher period. i suppose a little discussion on recalc vs no recalc and it's impact on the pitcher's might be good.

btw, in my historical league i chose 'remaining peak years' and wonder if other people like that angle.

BruceM · 04-30-2008, 11:00 AM

The reason I ask is because if recalc is on, then those pitchers will wind up more like real life, thus having an effect on my choice.

If recalc is off, then there's no guarantee what they'll turn out like.

You're basing your question on what they did in real life and who would we rather have based on their real life outcome.

So there's a big difference.

SittingDuck · 04-30-2008, 03:26 PM

Pick one from Column A, and one from Column B.

@ BruceM:

however you would swing it, and explain why (in the recalc mode that you choose)

SittingDuck · 04-30-2008, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceM

You're basing your question on what they did in real life and who would we rather have based on their real life outcome.

in my league, no recalc, peak remaining seasons for ratings, and 66 for talent change (66% chance they go historical)

Brife71 · 05-01-2008, 12:22 AM

The biggest problem I had wen picking 2 guys here was that these guys had their best seasons in the 70's not the 60's....Most of them weren't very good till the 70's rolled on so was hard to pick based on what they did in the 60's

Maybe I was getting too technical tho

SittingDuck · 05-01-2008, 07:25 PM

well, I should have said, 'pick the guys you'd want when they come into the league' and groom them on your staff. not just when they performed the best.

picking lifers for your staff

SittingDuck · 05-02-2008, 06:51 PM

poll turning out almost exactly as I thought it would

edm · 05-02-2008, 06:58 PM

I would have to go with Carlton and Seaver.

Nukester · 05-03-2008, 12:20 AM

Definitely Seaver, and I took Carlton over Ryan

chimanbj · 05-14-2008, 01:44 PM

Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax...neither of whom are on the list?!?!?!

SittingDuck · 05-15-2008, 11:43 PM

Koufax had his last season in '66, so outside the concept range of this poll. Gibson was halfway through his career by the mid-late 60's.

Concept was, what young stud would you want to build around. I just didn't do a great job of outlining it in the first post.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 06-05-2008, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelric

Hunter had only a handful of really good seasons, he was pretty much average the rest of the time. Of course, Ryan was maddeningly inconsistent as well, but nobody was better than him back then when he was on.

It came down to Seaver, Carlton and Ryan for me. My head says Seaver and Carlton, my heart says Seaver and Ryan. I went with Tom Terrific and Carlton for the right-left punch, ultimately.

Nobody dominated like these two over the number of seasons they did. Maybe I will pair them on a team and see how it goes, that would be fun. How do I make players untradeable without actually managing the teams?

SandMan · 06-05-2008, 12:44 PM

Went with Carlton as my ace and Palmer as the number 2. Was going to select Seaver but Palmer just seemed too consistent to pass up. With him you knew you had 20 in the bank.....

SittingDuck · 06-06-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

Nobody dominated like these two over the number of seasons they did. Maybe I will pair them on a team and see how it goes, that would be fun. How do I make players untradeable without actually managing the teams?

I am not sure you can do that. I don't know that the AI would respect any players that you had put on the 'Untouchable List' and then switch the team over to AI.

But it would be a swell thing to try.

JungleJim99 · 06-13-2008, 09:19 PM

I voted for Catfish (long-time Swingin' A's fan), but he actually had his big seasons in the 70's (1971 through 1975: 21-21-21-25-23) so I don't think he even belongs in this list. Better additions might have been Bob Gibson or Juan Marichal IMHO. But all good pitchers anyway!

sboehler · 06-29-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SittingDuck

Pick two of these starters as the core 1-2 for your deadly mid-late 60's starting staff.

NOTE: didn't find a way for the website software to limit you to just two choices, so people are on their honor in picking just two.

I picked Carlton and Seaver....But this list of pitchers for the most part were 70s guys. Ryan was a relief pitcher with the Mets in the late 60s..

View Poll Results: Who do you pick in the 60's as your 1-2 starter combo?
Fergie Jenkins	19	18.81%
Tom Seaver	71	70.30%
Jim Palmer	19	18.81%
Catfish Hunter	7	6.93%
Steve Carlton	54	53.47%
Nolan Ryan	31	30.69%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

04-29-2008, 10:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
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04-29-2008, 11:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
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04-30-2008, 01:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
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04-30-2008, 06:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
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04-30-2008, 09:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,527	funny - i didn't even think about that. whatever works for you. i am really just saying who you like as a pitcher period. i suppose a little discussion on recalc vs no recalc and it's impact on the pitcher's might be good. btw, in my historical league i chose 'remaining peak years' and wonder if other people like that angle.

04-30-2008, 11:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
BruceM Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,925	The reason I ask is because if recalc is on, then those pitchers will wind up more like real life, thus having an effect on my choice. If recalc is off, then there's no guarantee what they'll turn out like. You're basing your question on what they did in real life and who would we rather have based on their real life outcome. So there's a big difference. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

04-30-2008, 03:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,527	Pick one from Column A, and one from Column B. @ BruceM: however you would swing it, and explain why (in the recalc mode that you choose)

05-01-2008, 12:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Brife71 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Clovis, NM Posts: 284	The biggest problem I had wen picking 2 guys here was that these guys had their best seasons in the 70's not the 60's....Most of them weren't very good till the 70's rolled on so was hard to pick based on what they did in the 60's Maybe I was getting too technical tho

05-01-2008, 07:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,527	well, I should have said, 'pick the guys you'd want when they come into the league' and groom them on your staff. not just when they performed the best. picking lifers for your staff

05-02-2008, 06:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,527	poll turning out almost exactly as I thought it would

05-02-2008, 06:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: PA Posts: 1,419	I would have to go with Carlton and Seaver.

05-03-2008, 12:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,869	Definitely Seaver, and I took Carlton over Ryan __________________ Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.

05-14-2008, 01:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
chimanbj All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 680	Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax...neither of whom are on the list?!?!?! __________________ People ask if I'm a Cubs or White Sox fan...I tell them, proudly, I'm a Phillies Phan!

05-15-2008, 11:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,527	Koufax had his last season in '66, so outside the concept range of this poll. Gibson was halfway through his career by the mid-late 60's. Concept was, what young stud would you want to build around. I just didn't do a great job of outlining it in the first post.

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06-05-2008, 12:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
SandMan All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Kenosha, Wisconsin Posts: 1,820	Went with Carlton as my ace and Palmer as the number 2. Was going to select Seaver but Palmer just seemed too consistent to pass up. With him you knew you had 20 in the bank.....

06-13-2008, 09:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
JungleJim99 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Idaho Posts: 7	I voted for Catfish (long-time Swingin' A's fan), but he actually had his big seasons in the 70's (1971 through 1975: 21-21-21-25-23) so I don't think he even belongs in this list. Better additions might have been Bob Gibson or Juan Marichal IMHO. But all good pitchers anyway!