What are good stats?

mark_htfc · 09-26-2007, 04:17 PM

Hello everyone, My name is Mark and I am a follower of the Toronto Blue Jays, since about a month or so ago

I decided to get this game and give it a try seen as I like FM and EHM (sadly EHM has ceased for now) but I have a few questions to help me throughly enjoy this game. I got the game a few weeks ago but finally getting round to give it a proper go, so onto my questions.

The first question I have it what stats are good for the MLB, such as 14+ or 16+ etc??

I also wondered if somone would be kind enough to list what stats I need to look out for, for each position, such as what a Pitcher needs to be a good pitcher, a catcher, someone at first, second base and so on. So something like if a pitcher needs good control potential etc.

Like I say I am new to OOTP and new to Baseball in general actually so I don't know a right lot about stats so I would really appreciate it if somone would be able to do this for me to help me thorougly enjoy the game.

Thank you

Mark

eriqjaffe · 09-26-2007, 04:43 PM

If I had to pick one statistic for hitters to go by, it would probably be OPS (On-Base Percentage (OBP) plus Slugging(SLG)), which is really two stats combined. OBP is a measure of how often the player reaches base successfully - the higher, the better. SLG is a measure that takes the player's power into account - singles hitters will have lower slugging percentages, home run hitters will have higher slugging percentages. OPS just adds the two together.

For pitchers, one of the classic barometers is the Earned Run Average (ERA), which is a measure of how many "earned" runs (that is, runs that aren't the result of fielding errors, etc) a pitcher allows per 9 innings of work.

This page might be a good place to start getting familiar with the stats in baseball - it can be overwhelming, but don't get discouraged.

mark_htfc · 09-26-2007, 05:19 PM

Thank you for the help,

however when I start my game and look at my current roster I can only see the top half of the players stats and the stats that you have listed don't have any information for them yet as I have not played any seasons.

Ta.

1998 Yankees · 09-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Naturally, I like this post of mine.

hits + at bats + BA + OBP = confusion

You might want to follow the link at the top right for the thread itself, if you are new to baseball. Quite a few knowledgeable people helped that baseball newbie, on all sorts of topics.

treedom · 09-26-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_htfc

Thank you for the help,

however when I start my game and look at my current roster I can only see the top half of the players stats and the stats that you have listed don't have any information for them yet as I have not played any seasons.

Ta.

Do you mean player attributes then? And when you say 14+ or 16+, do you mean on a 1-20 scale?

mark_htfc · 09-27-2007, 02:36 AM

Thank you 1998 Yankees, I will have a look a proper read of that link when I get home from work this evening.

Treedom, yes that is what I meant sorry, I am just used to classing them as stats. Also I am using the scale of 1-20 stats yes, as I prefer my information to appear this way.

Thank you everyone.

injury log · 09-27-2007, 05:17 AM

First, welcome to the game, Mark- always good to see others in the UK are discovering OOTP. I believe you are referring to 'ratings', and not to 'stats'. There is no straightforward answer to your original question (what are good ratings). This is, in part, what makes baseball so interesting- it's a complex game. A few comments;

-Potential ratings indicate how good a player might eventually become, but have no influence on how well a player will perform now. Potential ratings can change a lot over time, and are crucial to consider when evaluating young players you might acquire in trade, or players you might acquire in draft, or when projecting what your team might look like in the future. Because young players are cheap (they can be paid the Major League minimum salary for their first three years), many teams, particularly those with small budgets, stock up on young talent, in the hope that they will soon have a core of low-salary stars;

-There is no simple answer to 'what is a good rating', since it all depends on the quality of players in your league. For example, in a 30-team league, there may be several players with Power over 15 on a 1-20 scale, while in an 8-team league, it might be very unusual to have Power that high. If you want to get an impression for what ratings would be elite, above avg, etc, in your league, I'd suggest going to the Transactions screen from your league menu, and choosing 'Show All Players'. You can then, for example, display Pitching Ratings, and show only SPs (starting pitchers). From here, you can rank (by clicking on the column header) all pitchers by Control, Movement or Stuff to see the ratings of the best (and worst) players in your league;

-Note as well that ratings are colour-coded- blue indicates an elite rating, while red indicates a miserable one, with a spectrum of colours in between;

-For pitchers, the most important ratings are Control, Movement and Stuff. You won't go too wrong by thinking of each as having equal importance, though it is a little more complicated in the game. For example, pitchers with well below average Control usually are not at all successful, but an elite Control rating is not nearly as useful as an elite Stuff rating. Of course, the quality of your team defense will also influence the number of runs your team allows;

-For hitters, the most important ratings are likely Contact, Power and Eye. Avoid K is the least important, since it is already incorporated into the Contact rating, and I'd recommend ignoring it altogether. Speed and Steal ratings may also be important, depending on what style of baseball you want your team to play;

-Defensively, the most difficult positions to play are C, SS, CF and 2B. Because fewer players are capable of playing these positions, the offensive demands at these are much lower than at, say, 1B or LF, where almost anyone can hold their own. So, a typical 1B is an offensive powerhouse, with very good Power and good Contact and/or Eye, while a good SS might have low Power, but might have very good defensive ratings, and good Contact and (often, because SSs are usually athletic) Speed. If you can find a SS who hits like a 1B (someone like Alex Rodriguez back when he was a SS) then you've got an extremely valuable player. There are no hard-and-fast rules, however, and real-life teams have been successful with all sorts of players in different roles. The flexibility of OOTP allows one to experiment with any number of combinations of players;

-I normally consider defense to be very important at the difficult positions: SS, 2B and CF in particular- and much less important at 1B, 3B, LF and RF. Others may disagree with me!

Hope you'll enjoy the game!

Kelric · 09-27-2007, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_htfc

Hello everyone, My name is Mark and I am a follower of the Toronto Blue Jays, since about a month or so ago

It's like the beginning of an AA meeting, except for the Blue Jays not being any good. You couldn't have picked a good team in the AL East such as, oh, say, the Red Sox?

treedom · 09-27-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelric

It's like the beginning of an AA meeting, except for the Blue Jays not being any good. You couldn't have picked team with more money in the AL East such as, oh, say, the Red Sox?

Fixed.

Comedian2004 · 09-27-2007, 10:06 AM

There is a benefit to being a Blue Jay fan or another lousy team's fan. As Tommy L. said last year, now is the time when it is your job to root against the terrible Yankees.

They made the post season, but they will not get far, as they have the A-Rod post season curse on their team.

Before their win last night to wrap it up, I know there were a lot of baseball fans that were hoping that the Tigers would win their remaining games and the Yankees would lose their remaining games. That would have been so cool, they would have talked about that for many years.

But, for the newbie. I suggest that you create some 'test' leagues. Let the game simulate weeks or months and follow players stats. Pick out a few guys and follow them, that way you can learn how the stats work.

The beauty of the game, IMHO, is the way that you can set up the game the way you like the game. 1-20 ratings or 1-100 ratings. Want more steals, tweak up the steals, want more home runs, tweak up the league HR rating, etc.

And the best part, you can at anytime become a commisioner and give A-Rod a career ending injury.

Kelric · 09-28-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comedian2004

There is a benefit to being a Blue Jay fan or another lousy team's fan. As Tommy L. said last year, now is the time when it is your job to root against the terrible Yankees.

It's always your job (and mine) to root against the Yankees.

mark_htfc · 09-29-2007, 05:30 PM

Thank you everyone for your help, I am just about to load up my game now and give it ago using the information provided.

The reason I picked the Blue Jays was because I liked the logo. What I did was looked at every logo and picked the one I liked the best as my team and that just happened to be Toronto

Bit like how I chose my NHL, and NBA team in the 90's.

09-26-2007, 04:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
mark_htfc Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Huddersfield, England, United Kingdom Posts: 5	What are good stats? Hello everyone, My name is Mark and I am a follower of the Toronto Blue Jays, since about a month or so ago I decided to get this game and give it a try seen as I like FM and EHM (sadly EHM has ceased for now) but I have a few questions to help me throughly enjoy this game. I got the game a few weeks ago but finally getting round to give it a proper go, so onto my questions. The first question I have it what stats are good for the MLB, such as 14+ or 16+ etc?? I also wondered if somone would be kind enough to list what stats I need to look out for, for each position, such as what a Pitcher needs to be a good pitcher, a catcher, someone at first, second base and so on. So something like if a pitcher needs good control potential etc. Like I say I am new to OOTP and new to Baseball in general actually so I don't know a right lot about stats so I would really appreciate it if somone would be able to do this for me to help me thorougly enjoy the game. Thank you Mark

09-26-2007, 05:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium Posts: 6,009	Naturally, I like this post of mine. hits + at bats + BA + OBP = confusion You might want to follow the link at the top right for the thread itself, if you are new to baseball. Quite a few knowledgeable people helped that baseball newbie, on all sorts of topics. __________________ The 1998 Yankees are considered to be among the The Best Major League Baseball Teams Ever From 1902-2005 by Baseball Almanac. They were 68-20 at home that year (including playoffs and World Series) in the original Yankee Stadium (1923-2008), "Where Players Became Legends."

09-27-2007, 10:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 6,396	There is a benefit to being a Blue Jay fan or another lousy team's fan. As Tommy L. said last year, now is the time when it is your job to root against the terrible Yankees. They made the post season, but they will not get far, as they have the A-Rod post season curse on their team. Before their win last night to wrap it up, I know there were a lot of baseball fans that were hoping that the Tigers would win their remaining games and the Yankees would lose their remaining games. That would have been so cool, they would have talked about that for many years. But, for the newbie. I suggest that you create some 'test' leagues. Let the game simulate weeks or months and follow players stats. Pick out a few guys and follow them, that way you can learn how the stats work. The beauty of the game, IMHO, is the way that you can set up the game the way you like the game. 1-20 ratings or 1-100 ratings. Want more steals, tweak up the steals, want more home runs, tweak up the league HR rating, etc. And the best part, you can at anytime become a commisioner and give A-Rod a career ending injury. __________________ Visit www.planetootp.com for my MODS. Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF!

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09-26-2007, 05:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
mark_htfc Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Huddersfield, England, United Kingdom Posts: 5	Thank you for the help, however when I start my game and look at my current roster I can only see the top half of the players stats and the stats that you have listed don't have any information for them yet as I have not played any seasons. Ta.

09-27-2007, 02:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
mark_htfc Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Huddersfield, England, United Kingdom Posts: 5	Thank you 1998 Yankees, I will have a look a proper read of that link when I get home from work this evening. Treedom, yes that is what I meant sorry, I am just used to classing them as stats. Also I am using the scale of 1-20 stats yes, as I prefer my information to appear this way. Thank you everyone.

09-27-2007, 05:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,258	First, welcome to the game, Mark- always good to see others in the UK are discovering OOTP. I believe you are referring to 'ratings', and not to 'stats'. There is no straightforward answer to your original question (what are good ratings). This is, in part, what makes baseball so interesting- it's a complex game. A few comments; -Potential ratings indicate how good a player might eventually become, but have no influence on how well a player will perform now. Potential ratings can change a lot over time, and are crucial to consider when evaluating young players you might acquire in trade, or players you might acquire in draft, or when projecting what your team might look like in the future. Because young players are cheap (they can be paid the Major League minimum salary for their first three years), many teams, particularly those with small budgets, stock up on young talent, in the hope that they will soon have a core of low-salary stars; -There is no simple answer to 'what is a good rating', since it all depends on the quality of players in your league. For example, in a 30-team league, there may be several players with Power over 15 on a 1-20 scale, while in an 8-team league, it might be very unusual to have Power that high. If you want to get an impression for what ratings would be elite, above avg, etc, in your league, I'd suggest going to the Transactions screen from your league menu, and choosing 'Show All Players'. You can then, for example, display Pitching Ratings, and show only SPs (starting pitchers). From here, you can rank (by clicking on the column header) all pitchers by Control, Movement or Stuff to see the ratings of the best (and worst) players in your league; -Note as well that ratings are colour-coded- blue indicates an elite rating, while red indicates a miserable one, with a spectrum of colours in between; -For pitchers, the most important ratings are Control, Movement and Stuff. You won't go too wrong by thinking of each as having equal importance, though it is a little more complicated in the game. For example, pitchers with well below average Control usually are not at all successful, but an elite Control rating is not nearly as useful as an elite Stuff rating. Of course, the quality of your team defense will also influence the number of runs your team allows; -For hitters, the most important ratings are likely Contact, Power and Eye. Avoid K is the least important, since it is already incorporated into the Contact rating, and I'd recommend ignoring it altogether. Speed and Steal ratings may also be important, depending on what style of baseball you want your team to play; -Defensively, the most difficult positions to play are C, SS, CF and 2B. Because fewer players are capable of playing these positions, the offensive demands at these are much lower than at, say, 1B or LF, where almost anyone can hold their own. So, a typical 1B is an offensive powerhouse, with very good Power and good Contact and/or Eye, while a good SS might have low Power, but might have very good defensive ratings, and good Contact and (often, because SSs are usually athletic) Speed. If you can find a SS who hits like a 1B (someone like Alex Rodriguez back when he was a SS) then you've got an extremely valuable player. There are no hard-and-fast rules, however, and real-life teams have been successful with all sorts of players in different roles. The flexibility of OOTP allows one to experiment with any number of combinations of players; -I normally consider defense to be very important at the difficult positions: SS, 2B and CF in particular- and much less important at 1B, 3B, LF and RF. Others may disagree with me! Hope you'll enjoy the game!

09-29-2007, 05:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
mark_htfc Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Huddersfield, England, United Kingdom Posts: 5	Thank you everyone for your help, I am just about to load up my game now and give it ago using the information provided. The reason I picked the Blue Jays was because I liked the logo. What I did was looked at every logo and picked the one I liked the best as my team and that just happened to be Toronto Bit like how I chose my NHL, and NBA team in the 90's.