Starting in the 80´s and keeps going ???

clamel · 04-24-2008, 05:54 AM

New to this OOTP I must ask a question about real players and playing from lets say the 80´s onwards.

If I start lets say 1980 do I get the lineups and teams that played during that year. Then very cool to know what will happen in the years to come.
Will expansion happen, will players like Alex Rodriguez pop up later on. Of course not in a Seattle uniform to start with I´m sure.

My main question is if Lahmans DB will help getting players into the league as rookie in correct years.
This sounds like a dream scenario, but I have read some about guys playing out years in 60´s 70´s 80´s and so.

Perhaps one can only play a specific season with correct players...
not setting a start year for a longer run over the years.

If it all has to do with setups please inform me. This OOTP looks very nice and a step up from Baseball Mogul.
I am comparing it with Football Managers, but then Lahmans DB could take this a step further perhaps.

Sorry guys if this question is already answered somwhere in the forum. I have looked but burried among thousand fine FAQ I can´t find it.

1998 Yankees · 04-24-2008, 08:10 AM

The manual will tell you how to set things up so that you have the players appearing in the correct years and on the correct teams, including expansions. However, depending on whether you control all teams or not (there is a setting for that), the AI will determine its own lineups and will begin trading and signing players if you let it. People have also asked what happens when a historical league reaches 2007 or 2008; at that point you have to start generating fictional players as needed rather than importing them as usual from Lahmans. Download and read the manual, is my advice.

Kelric · 04-24-2008, 11:41 AM

To answer your questions more specifically...

If you start in 1980 (or any year between 1901 and 2007/8) you will get the correct teams with the correct players. You will not get the proper lineups, as the AI will determine that for themselves.

Expansion will happen if you remember to use the proper settings on when creating your league. It's up to you if it happens or not. Same thing with bringing in historical players (and why wouldn't A-Rod be a Mariner? That's who drafted him and he debuted with, after all).

I'm not sure on the debut dates with Lahman, but you'll have guys entering the Amateur Draft at about the proper time for them to be making their real life debuts. It won't be perfect, but it'll be close.

You can play a specific season, decade, century, whatever. Up to you. You can play with all historical players and teams, some historical players, no historical players, real teams and fake players, fake teams and real players, .etc, .etc

You can decide if you want guys to perform as close to real life as possible (auto-recalc setting every year), with a little difference (auto-recalc for 3 years), more of a difference (auto-recalc for 5 years) or let the game engine take over and potentially have huge differences in performance (no recalc).

clamel · 04-25-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

The manual will tell you how to set things up so that you have the players appearing in the correct years and on the correct teams, including expansions. However, depending on whether you control all teams or not (there is a setting for that), the AI will determine its own lineups and will begin trading and signing players if you let it. People have also asked what happens when a historical league reaches 2007 or 2008; at that point you have to start generating fictional players as needed rather than importing them as usual from Lahmans. Download and read the manual, is my advice.

THANKS GUYS,
but this 2007/8 issue also brings up a question. The Lahman DB for now is with 2007 stats, so I hoep and believe that when I get to start 2007 season (after some long time working over 80´s 90´s) the correct new players will pop up in this 2007 as it has been doing over the years from the 80´s.

Then THE Question. By the time I get up to 2008 I´m 100% sure that it´s XMas time this year or even longer ahead. THEN Lahman MUST have issued a new DB with stats for this 2008 season. If I DL that one and replace the Lahmann55 should that make it OK to get 2008 stats and players like Kuroda, Fukudome as first year players for Dodgers and Cubs ??

If this is so this version could go a long way. As long as a new DB from Lahmann is ready at the time you reach that year.

Am I out on thin ice or do I get this correctly ???

zekester91 · 04-25-2008, 01:01 PM

Assumming Lahmann doesn't make any changes to the DB structure (he does every now and then) and OOTP still alows you to pull from a DB after the year it came out (6.5 and before didn't) you will be able to pull the debuted players. It is slightly thin ice but it has a chance to work.

clamel · 04-25-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zekester91

Assumming Lahmann doesn't make any changes to the DB structure (he does every now and then) and OOTP still alows you to pull from a DB after the year it came out (6.5 and before didn't) you will be able to pull the debuted players. It is slightly thin ice but it has a chance to work.

Guess you´re correct. It might be too much to be able to include seasons AFTER the game was published. Figure that they like you to buy new games for more than one reason (improved engine and stuff).

Thanks for trying to clearify this.

BruceM · 04-25-2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelric

(and why wouldn't A-Rod be a Mariner? That's who drafted him and he debuted with, after all).

He might not be a Mariner if you set the league up with a draft rather than assigning players to their original teams.

Charlie Hough · 04-26-2008, 09:37 PM

Depending on how quickly you play your historical game, it is almost inevitable that you will outrun the Lahmann database. Sure, you might get up to the current season just in time for the Lahmann database to be updated, but if you reach the current season that fast, then obviously you're going to exceed the Lahmann database soon after.

If you manage all of your games, then it would take you quite a long time to play more than 25 years of baseball. But, if you tend to do a lot of quick sims and you don't want to end up using fictional players for 2008 and beyond, then historical play is probably best reserved for only playing up to 2007 and leaving it at that.

clamel · 04-27-2008, 06:34 AM

As you say I can hardly go on as long as Charlie Hough himself did. Not even in a sim-world. I had in mind to manage one team and see what happend over the years and I guess by the time I get to today OOTP will be on OOTP20 or more ;-)

Hopefully it will get faster than the old APBA boardgames I owned in the 70´s and 80´s. Back then PC wasn´t heard off and as hard to figure out as Hough's knucklers.

Now I get back to figure out the best settings for this quarter of century rundown.

Thanks mates

04-24-2008, 05:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
clamel Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 31	Starting in the 80´s and keeps going ??? New to this OOTP I must ask a question about real players and playing from lets say the 80´s onwards. If I start lets say 1980 do I get the lineups and teams that played during that year. Then very cool to know what will happen in the years to come. Will expansion happen, will players like Alex Rodriguez pop up later on. Of course not in a Seattle uniform to start with I´m sure. My main question is if Lahmans DB will help getting players into the league as rookie in correct years. This sounds like a dream scenario, but I have read some about guys playing out years in 60´s 70´s 80´s and so. Perhaps one can only play a specific season with correct players... not setting a start year for a longer run over the years. If it all has to do with setups please inform me. This OOTP looks very nice and a step up from Baseball Mogul. I am comparing it with Football Managers, but then Lahmans DB could take this a step further perhaps. Sorry guys if this question is already answered somwhere in the forum. I have looked but burried among thousand fine FAQ I can´t find it.

04-24-2008, 08:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium Posts: 4,922	The manual will tell you how to set things up so that you have the players appearing in the correct years and on the correct teams, including expansions. However, depending on whether you control all teams or not (there is a setting for that), the AI will determine its own lineups and will begin trading and signing players if you let it. People have also asked what happens when a historical league reaches 2007 or 2008; at that point you have to start generating fictional players as needed rather than importing them as usual from Lahmans. Download and read the manual, is my advice. __________________ The 1998 Yankees are considered to be among the The Best Major League Baseball Teams Ever From 1902-2005 by Baseball Almanac. They were 68-20 at home that year (including playoffs and World Series) in the original Yankee Stadium (1923-2008), "Where Players Became Legends."

04-24-2008, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 2,512	To answer your questions more specifically... If you start in 1980 (or any year between 1901 and 2007/8) you will get the correct teams with the correct players. You will not get the proper lineups, as the AI will determine that for themselves. Expansion will happen if you remember to use the proper settings on when creating your league. It's up to you if it happens or not. Same thing with bringing in historical players (and why wouldn't A-Rod be a Mariner? That's who drafted him and he debuted with, after all). I'm not sure on the debut dates with Lahman, but you'll have guys entering the Amateur Draft at about the proper time for them to be making their real life debuts. It won't be perfect, but it'll be close. You can play a specific season, decade, century, whatever. Up to you. You can play with all historical players and teams, some historical players, no historical players, real teams and fake players, fake teams and real players, .etc, .etc You can decide if you want guys to perform as close to real life as possible (auto-recalc setting every year), with a little difference (auto-recalc for 3 years), more of a difference (auto-recalc for 5 years) or let the game engine take over and potentially have huge differences in performance (no recalc). __________________ Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League. Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 656-422, .608% (1930-36). 1930-34, 1936, American League Eastern Division Champions. 1936 American League Champions and World Series victors. Yay! 90-65, .580% vs. the New York Yankees.

04-25-2008, 01:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
zekester91 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 852	Assumming Lahmann doesn't make any changes to the DB structure (he does every now and then) and OOTP still alows you to pull from a DB after the year it came out (6.5 and before didn't) you will be able to pull the debuted players. It is slightly thin ice but it has a chance to work. __________________ "You have kids that want to get high and that's not what marijuana is for," Robert Miko said. "It's to medicate." Bobby Bowden must have a hell of a recruiting pitch, "Son if you come on down to Tallahasee, you just might be able to watch me die during practice!"

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04-26-2008, 09:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Charlie Hough All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 601	Depending on how quickly you play your historical game, it is almost inevitable that you will outrun the Lahmann database. Sure, you might get up to the current season just in time for the Lahmann database to be updated, but if you reach the current season that fast, then obviously you're going to exceed the Lahmann database soon after. If you manage all of your games, then it would take you quite a long time to play more than 25 years of baseball. But, if you tend to do a lot of quick sims and you don't want to end up using fictional players for 2008 and beyond, then historical play is probably best reserved for only playing up to 2007 and leaving it at that.

04-27-2008, 06:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
clamel Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 31	As you say I can hardly go on as long as Charlie Hough himself did. Not even in a sim-world. I had in mind to manage one team and see what happend over the years and I guess by the time I get to today OOTP will be on OOTP20 or more ;-) Hopefully it will get faster than the old APBA boardgames I owned in the 70´s and 80´s. Back then PC wasn´t heard off and as hard to figure out as Hough's knucklers. Now I get back to figure out the best settings for this quarter of century rundown. Thanks mates