Are there any "pay" online leagues? - Page 2

Gator · 04-20-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eMLBCommish

I don't know how else to say this...

What a complete waste of crap that was. I'm rather insulted by it.

You're trying to tell me just because my team has a career 1264-1004 record in 14 regular seasons (.557 Pct), and a 20-19 lifetime playoff record (.513), winning the World Series once back in 2005, that my league isn't STRONG AND FAIR!?!?

And for the record, I do have close RL friends in the league: One has managed Texas since Day 1 (1018-1250 career...or a .449 Win Pct), and the two others have joined in the past 3 seasons, only one having one season with a .500+ Record.

But because I've had a +.500 record, and my friends are not given any roles of authority in the league to avoid a conflict of interest....my league is still unfair and a piece of crap.

I want a refund. I could've spent the time reading that post doing something more productive...like cleaning my tub with a lint brush.

Hey friend, I not only did not intend to insult you, but until now I did not even know who the heck you were. My comments were for peanburn who started the thread and who I quoted, which should have been obvious. Good for you that your team has been relatively unsuccessful in your league and your friend even more unsuccessful. Like I said in my first observation, that should be taken as a sign of a fair and successful league, so you should have taken my comments as a compliment rather than an insult. But perhaps thou dost protest too much.

Bandit3 · 04-22-2007, 07:25 PM

What about going another way, and make each team put up a deposit when they join the league and only be able to get that deposit back if they meet all criteria of the league. Obviously there are good reasons why people have to stop playing, the league could make rules saying you had to have been a good manager for so many seasons and continue to manage until the league can find a suitable replacement for you and so on. A trusted party such as the commisioner can run a paypal account for the league using confiscated deposits for website costs. I think this could widely raise the level of overall GM involvement without worrying about people cheating to try and win the pot.

magnet · 04-23-2007, 03:07 AM

I remember there being an OOTP5 league that was like, $3-$5 dollars, and the champion got a gift certificate to that customized hat store (In the amount of everyone's "dues").

mgadfly · 04-23-2007, 09:55 PM

I've always thought it would be kind of cool to have a league where each franchise cost a certain amount. For example, you'd purchase the Yankees for $100, the Redsox for $95, the Mets for $94, etc ... the Brewers for $35 (or something). Each owner would then have the opportunity to pay up to $10 into the game for a cash balance on hand to sign free agents, etc...

So if you purchased the Yankees, you'd buy them for $100 plus you could pay up to $10 more to increase your amount of cash. If the financials were balanced right it would be difficult for teams to make a profit. The $ used to purchase the franchises would then work as the $ in the league. So each year you could make a little bit of your money back (if you were fiscally responsible). In the end you could (if there were enough interested players) sell your franchise back to the league for its present value or to a new owner.

This would make long-term contracts for free agents a whole new ball game. It be more difficult, at least for me, to guarantee a 32 year old LF $7.50 per season for 7 seasons than $7.5M fake dollars in a league that I'll just dump if I get sick of it.

A concept like this would probably be better done if you had 10-16 friends that you knew pretty well that liked the game.

Anyway, there are a lot of problems with the idea, but I've always thought it'd be interesting.

sbrylski · 04-24-2007, 02:48 PM

Team's Seasonal Fee = [Payroll] / [2,000,000]

So a team with a $120,000,000 payroll has to pay $60 bucks but the pre-arby team with a $30,000,000 payroll only has to dish out $15 bucks. Just like real life, keeps owners who know they are in for a down year with the league (at least somewhat), and prevents huge spending sprees for a championship and then quitting (to an extent). Other rules are probably needed though.

A pay league would be loads of fun.

BaseballMan · 05-27-2007, 11:58 PM

Would this be considered a form of gambling? I know a guy at work that dominated his fantasy baseball league but after he had won he was informed that because he was in colorado he couldnt collect the cash prize that went to the winner.

Mikecouil · 05-28-2007, 06:00 AM

A couple months ago I proposed a historical league starting in 1989 (the year Ken Griffey Jr came into the league and the start of my baseball card collecting). In addittion to a lot of other ideas I had, I wanted to charge some obscenely low amount, like 3.00 per team per season to weed out the lamest of the lame owners.

It's funny but the majority of my PM's were "Wow man, love the idea but I don't have the 3.00. Can I still join?"

I don't think the season fee has to be very big, somewhere around 5.00 or even lower, to drive the riff raff out of the league. I play at whatifsports and pay their ridiculous season fees because it is better competition than free sites and free leagues, plain and simple. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but generally speaking if you get 20 guys to pony up 5.00 each with the money going to buy a trophy or plaque for the WS winner and maybe a smaller one for the WS loser, you are going to keep people more interested than they otherwise would be.

To clarify, I wouldn't want to be in a league where the proceeds were paying for the commissioner's Friday night bar hopping. But I'd be EXTREMELY interested in a league that required either a deposit or a season fee which was used to reward the best teams in the league. The only problem I forsaw was collusion. When you start making something worth cheating at, people will cheat unfortunately. That's why I wanted to make the buy in relatively inexpensive.

jackflash · 05-28-2007, 08:43 AM

I honestly would love a pay league. Best thing to do, if real rosters were used, would be either to have a random draft to select the teams or do a complete fantasy draft so all playing fields are equal, you cannot select teams on a first come first serve basis.

As far as an entry fee goes, if each team pitched in 5 bucks (including the commish) thats 150 bucks. This would assure #1 everyone is atleast of a responsible age to keep the league nice and active and #2 its not really that much. I have a low paying job and I can afford 5 bucks every few months

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But thats my take on it, it would be 150 bucks and like someone said in a previous post, you could put that towards a gift certificate online or something. I think this idea would be alot of fun and it would keep me 100% active

jackflash · 05-28-2007, 09:01 AM

Just to piggy back off my previous post, there would need to be an in depth league constitution or "rule book" that covered every detail so there were no loop holes in the league. Also you would need, I would say, 3 co-commishes so that 1 guy was not completly in charge of the entire league.

Just a few ideas that are coming to me...

jackflash · 05-29-2007, 11:54 AM

BUMP, would anyone be interested in something like this?

PerfectMisnomer · 05-29-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbrylski

Team's Seasonal Fee = [Payroll] / [2,000,000]

So a team with a $120,000,000 payroll has to pay $60 bucks but the pre-arby team with a $30,000,000 payroll only has to dish out $15 bucks. Just like real life, keeps owners who know they are in for a down year with the league (at least somewhat), and prevents huge spending sprees for a championship and then quitting (to an extent). Other rules are probably needed though.

A pay league would be loads of fun.

That actually sounds like an awesome idea. Thus, if you are able to turn around a team like the Devil Rays you are getting ridiculously good odds, while it is a gamble to run the Yankees. $100 might be a little bit high for one season, though

jackflash · 05-29-2007, 03:54 PM

I would certainly only make it no more than 5 bucks a season so I think the DRays would be a good investment to take a few championships down the road.

kckid4u · 05-29-2007, 06:21 PM

I'd join a pay league. Winner would get a trophy. I'd be interested to see just how many people would like to join a pay league. Anyone want to start a poll, or better yet, start one. I could co-commish if need be.

Keeping it to around 16 teams would be good too.

jackflash · 05-29-2007, 07:31 PM

kc, hit me up on AOL

ISLTwins

jackflash · 05-30-2007, 11:53 AM

Just an update....

I sent marcus an email outlining what I have in mind and of course asking permission. A few highlights of the email:

Would charge no more than $6
Neither myself or co-commish would participate
It would be a 100% payout (basically a non profit league)
We would also award a trophy to the winner each year. Nothing huge, probably a desktop style trophy (roughly 8") with engraving.
Would use real rosters of course, possibly a fantasy draft but not sure yet.

So we are just waiting to hear back from Marcus, but since its non profit, I see no problem with it, but I would like his approval in any case.

eMLBCommish · 05-30-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackflash

Just an update....

I sent marcus an email outlining what I have in mind and of course asking permission. A few highlights of the email:

Would charge no more than $6
Neither myself or co-commish would participate
It would be a 100% payout (basically a non profit league)
We would also award a trophy to the winner each year. Nothing huge, probably a desktop style trophy (roughly 8") with engraving.
Would use real rosters of course, possibly a fantasy draft but not sure yet.

So we are just waiting to hear back from Marcus, but since its non profit, I see no problem with it, but I would like his approval in any case.

Good luck getting his or Duffy's approval. I've had a well outlined proposal to be a third-party service as you indicate for 7 months now with no response. And this is with sending out three and four followup inquiries every 4-6 weeks in case it got lost in the shuffle.

My league would be for profit because, no offense to anyone reading this, but you wouldn't be worth my free time if I couldn't be in the league. Plus, there are costs to running a website. The "profit" would be very minimal, though.

jackflash · 05-30-2007, 04:02 PM

I just enjoy the game. I think the entry fee would just keep owner's activity up.

And to piggy back off a previous post, I honestly don't think I would need SI's approval for this. I've seen a number of madden leagues out there that required an entry fee and such; and EA sports never once stepped in. People are paying money to join the league and enjoy the service; i'm not out for a profit nor am I making any sort of profit off the game.

peanburn · 05-30-2007, 05:27 PM

If it is not for profit, then I think it would be fine.

I am for sure interested if this gets up and running.

kckid4u · 05-30-2007, 07:05 PM

The only thing I would have a problem with jacklash is, if I was to co-commish, I'd like to have a team in it too. If there are 2 or 3 co-commishes watching each others work, would it be nessasary for them not to have a team? I mean doing all the work for no money or the fun of running a team is something I would have to pass on.

jackflash · 05-30-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kckid4u

The only thing I would have a problem with jacklash is, if I was to co-commish, I'd like to have a team in it too. If there are 2 or 3 co-commishes watching each others work, would it be nessasary for them not to have a team? I mean doing all the work for no money or the fun of running a team is something I would have to pass on.

If I did the sims then it would be ok, in my opinion for you to own a team.

What would you guys think of a fantasy draft league and set all financials equal? That way we have a level playing field.

04-23-2007, 03:07 AM	#23 (permalink)
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Twins Territory Posts: 4,889	I remember there being an OOTP5 league that was like, $3-$5 dollars, and the champion got a gift certificate to that customized hat store (In the amount of everyone's "dues"). __________________ -Jeff Avatar - Harry Stovey OTBA - Minneapolis Beermen (2017 - ) Clinton League - Kansas City Royals (1993 - ) AL Central Champs: 1994 LNB - Commissioner/Minneapolis Madness (2007 - ) AL Champs: 2009 Six Pitchers - 2007 WINNER! 103-56, 3.25 ERA Twin City Long Ball

05-28-2007, 08:43 AM	#28 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	I honestly would love a pay league. Best thing to do, if real rosters were used, would be either to have a random draft to select the teams or do a complete fantasy draft so all playing fields are equal, you cannot select teams on a first come first serve basis. As far as an entry fee goes, if each team pitched in 5 bucks (including the commish) thats 150 bucks. This would assure #1 everyone is atleast of a responsible age to keep the league nice and active and #2 its not really that much. I have a low paying job and I can afford 5 bucks every few months . But thats my take on it, it would be 150 bucks and like someone said in a previous post, you could put that towards a gift certificate online or something. I think this idea would be alot of fun and it would keep me 100% active __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

05-28-2007, 09:01 AM	#29 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	Just to piggy back off my previous post, there would need to be an in depth league constitution or "rule book" that covered every detail so there were no loop holes in the league. Also you would need, I would say, 3 co-commishes so that 1 guy was not completly in charge of the entire league. Just a few ideas that are coming to me... __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

05-29-2007, 11:54 AM	#30 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	BUMP, would anyone be interested in something like this? __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

05-29-2007, 03:54 PM	#32 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	I would certainly only make it no more than 5 bucks a season so I think the DRays would be a good investment to take a few championships down the road. __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

04-22-2007, 07:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
Bandit3 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 11	What about going another way, and make each team put up a deposit when they join the league and only be able to get that deposit back if they meet all criteria of the league. Obviously there are good reasons why people have to stop playing, the league could make rules saying you had to have been a good manager for so many seasons and continue to manage until the league can find a suitable replacement for you and so on. A trusted party such as the commisioner can run a paypal account for the league using confiscated deposits for website costs. I think this could widely raise the level of overall GM involvement without worrying about people cheating to try and win the pot.

04-23-2007, 09:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
mgadfly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Spokane Posts: 90	I've always thought it would be kind of cool to have a league where each franchise cost a certain amount. For example, you'd purchase the Yankees for $100, the Redsox for $95, the Mets for $94, etc ... the Brewers for $35 (or something). Each owner would then have the opportunity to pay up to $10 into the game for a cash balance on hand to sign free agents, etc... So if you purchased the Yankees, you'd buy them for $100 plus you could pay up to $10 more to increase your amount of cash. If the financials were balanced right it would be difficult for teams to make a profit. The $ used to purchase the franchises would then work as the $ in the league. So each year you could make a little bit of your money back (if you were fiscally responsible). In the end you could (if there were enough interested players) sell your franchise back to the league for its present value or to a new owner. This would make long-term contracts for free agents a whole new ball game. It be more difficult, at least for me, to guarantee a 32 year old LF $7.50 per season for 7 seasons than $7.5M fake dollars in a league that I'll just dump if I get sick of it. A concept like this would probably be better done if you had 10-16 friends that you knew pretty well that liked the game. Anyway, there are a lot of problems with the idea, but I've always thought it'd be interesting.

04-24-2007, 02:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
sbrylski Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 115	Team's Seasonal Fee = [Payroll] / [2,000,000] So a team with a $120,000,000 payroll has to pay $60 bucks but the pre-arby team with a $30,000,000 payroll only has to dish out $15 bucks. Just like real life, keeps owners who know they are in for a down year with the league (at least somewhat), and prevents huge spending sprees for a championship and then quitting (to an extent). Other rules are probably needed though. A pay league would be loads of fun.

05-27-2007, 11:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,464	Would this be considered a form of gambling? I know a guy at work that dominated his fantasy baseball league but after he had won he was informed that because he was in colorado he couldnt collect the cash prize that went to the winner.

05-28-2007, 06:00 AM	#27 (permalink)
Mikecouil Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: alex Posts: 86	A couple months ago I proposed a historical league starting in 1989 (the year Ken Griffey Jr came into the league and the start of my baseball card collecting). In addittion to a lot of other ideas I had, I wanted to charge some obscenely low amount, like 3.00 per team per season to weed out the lamest of the lame owners. It's funny but the majority of my PM's were "Wow man, love the idea but I don't have the 3.00. Can I still join?" I don't think the season fee has to be very big, somewhere around 5.00 or even lower, to drive the riff raff out of the league. I play at whatifsports and pay their ridiculous season fees because it is better competition than free sites and free leagues, plain and simple. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but generally speaking if you get 20 guys to pony up 5.00 each with the money going to buy a trophy or plaque for the WS winner and maybe a smaller one for the WS loser, you are going to keep people more interested than they otherwise would be. To clarify, I wouldn't want to be in a league where the proceeds were paying for the commissioner's Friday night bar hopping. But I'd be EXTREMELY interested in a league that required either a deposit or a season fee which was used to reward the best teams in the league. The only problem I forsaw was collusion. When you start making something worth cheating at, people will cheat unfortunately. That's why I wanted to make the buy in relatively inexpensive.

05-29-2007, 06:21 PM	#33 (permalink)
kckid4u Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 391	I'd join a pay league. Winner would get a trophy. I'd be interested to see just how many people would like to join a pay league. Anyone want to start a poll, or better yet, start one. I could co-commish if need be. Keeping it to around 16 teams would be good too.

05-29-2007, 07:31 PM	#34 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	kc, hit me up on AOL ISLTwins __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

05-30-2007, 11:53 AM	#35 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	Just an update.... I sent marcus an email outlining what I have in mind and of course asking permission. A few highlights of the email: Would charge no more than $6 Neither myself or co-commish would participate It would be a 100% payout (basically a non profit league) We would also award a trophy to the winner each year. Nothing huge, probably a desktop style trophy (roughly 8") with engraving. Would use real rosters of course, possibly a fantasy draft but not sure yet. So we are just waiting to hear back from Marcus, but since its non profit, I see no problem with it, but I would like his approval in any case. __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

05-30-2007, 04:02 PM	#37 (permalink)
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 280	I just enjoy the game. I think the entry fee would just keep owner's activity up. And to piggy back off a previous post, I honestly don't think I would need SI's approval for this. I've seen a number of madden leagues out there that required an entry fee and such; and EA sports never once stepped in. People are paying money to join the league and enjoy the service; i'm not out for a profit nor am I making any sort of profit off the game. __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra Last edited by jackflash : 05-30-2007 at 04:05 PM.

05-30-2007, 05:27 PM	#38 (permalink)
peanburn Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 44	If it is not for profit, then I think it would be fine. I am for sure interested if this gets up and running.

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05-30-2007, 07:05 PM	#39 (permalink)
kckid4u Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 391	The only thing I would have a problem with jacklash is, if I was to co-commish, I'd like to have a team in it too. If there are 2 or 3 co-commishes watching each others work, would it be nessasary for them not to have a team? I mean doing all the work for no money or the fun of running a team is something I would have to pass on.