Beta Patch

[dwardzala]

The new beta patch is causing quite a commotion in our on-line league (and I am guessing others as well).

Since it fixes several issues relevant to on-line leagues, there are some leagues who are looking at upgrading with the Beta.

Other leagues are taking a more cautious approach and waiting to upgrade.

Unfortunately owners who are in more than one league may be faced with having to somehow run the two different versions of the game to continue to participate in leagues that have upgraded and those who haven't.

Is there a better solution to this quandry?

[eMLBCommish]

Originally Posted by dwardzala

The new beta patch is causing quite a commotion in our on-line league (and I am guessing others as well).

Since it fixes several issues relevant to on-line leagues, there are some leagues who are looking at upgrading with the Beta.

Other leagues are taking a more cautious approach and waiting to upgrade.

Unfortunately owners who are in more than one league may be faced with having to somehow run the two different versions of the game to continue to participate in leagues that have upgraded and those who haven't.

Is there a better solution to this quandry?

One of your leagues you are in is planning to upgrade. But you do raise a very good point. Seeing the issues that apparently get raised without this patch that are deemed fixed, it's a little quandry to get through.

[dwardzala]

Originally Posted by eMLBCommish

One of your leagues you are in is planning to upgrade. But you do raise a very good point. Seeing the issues that apparently get raised without this patch that are deemed fixed, it's a little quandry to get through.

But apparently not every league feels this way (if all of them are not upgrading with the beta).

I believe this is a community wide issue (at least as far as on-line leagues go - that's why its posted here as opposed to in the beta thread on the general discussion board) except for leagues in which no owners are in any other league.

[kckid4u]

Yeah, I would have hoped the OOTP team would have thought about the problems this would cause, but the small little voice in my head keeps telling me that maybe they wanted a wider range of testers for this beta before they release it.

[robster1225]

Can someone please give me specific reasons to not at least download the patch and test it before deciding not to patch? you can always redownload the master OOTP file and revert back to the old version if your not pleased with the patch. They wont be updating the master file until the patch goes "final". In the original patch post it says under "Who should upgrade" that any league who's a victim of the online league free agency issue. Well, guess what, every league will run into that issue soon enough. I personally think the patch is a must, and don't see why someone wouldn't want to at least try it.

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by robster1225

Can someone please give me specific reasons to not at least download the patch and test it before deciding not to patch? you can always redownload the master OOTP file and revert back to the old version if your not pleased with the patch. They wont be updating the master file until the patch goes "final". In the original patch post it says under "Who should upgrade" that any league who's a victim of the online league free agency issue. Well, guess what, every league will run into that issue soon enough. I personally think the patch is a must, and don't see why someone wouldn't want to at least try it.

Hey, I'd love to try it, but you're missing the point. I (we) can't force the commish in some of our leagues to use it, nor should we try. And if they don't patch and we do, then we are screwed. The whole online community should be considerate of each other on this. (But there's no way to do this.) The OOTP dev team should have considered this IMO. I think this patch in the short term hurt online leagues more that it helped.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

The OOTP dev team should have considered this IMO. I think this patch in the short term hurt online leagues more that it helped.

I couldn't disagree more. It's not the OOTP dev teams job to placate people who are in multiple online leagues. They did the right thing by getting this patch out to leagues (like my own) who were completely stuck due to the various FA bugs. You'll have a hard time convincing me that this patch hurts my league, which has been idle for about 2 weeks because of these bugs, more than helps it.

[robster1225]

They released this patch, in part, FOR the online community. The free agent bug is a huge issue in online leagues, and this provides a fix a few weeks early, which is awesome. Now, one of my leagues, which has been dead for 2 weeks can restart, and my other two leagues that are hot in the off-season don't have to worry.

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by Stu

I couldn't disagree more. It's not the OOTP dev teams job to placate people who are in multiple online leagues. They did the right thing by getting this patch out to leagues (like my own) who were completely stuck due to the various FA bugs. You'll have a hard time convincing me that this patch hurts my league, which has been idle for about 2 weeks because of these bugs, more than helps it.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

[robster1225]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

All I ask is that you point your commish to this thread, and you ask him to tell us why he wont patch, or at least "try" the patch.

[peanburn]

Can someone tell be what the problems are for online leagues without the patch. We are in transition from OOTP2006 to OOTP2007 and I don't know the issue here.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by peanburn

Can someone tell be what the problems are for online leagues without the patch. We are in transition from OOTP2006 to OOTP2007 and I don't know the issue here.

The major issue is that FA offers were disappearing from the pending offers screen. When these offers disappeared and the player signed with another team, the money tied up in that offer wasn't being released so the team couldn't offer it to another FA. We were basically seeing teams with, for example, a budget of $80 mil, payroll of $40 mil but not enough money to sign anyone because the available budget with tied up in offers to players who had already signed elsewhere.

There was also an issue where newly signed FA's were being placed on the active roster, rather than DFA. This causes sims to stop in the middle (when the guy signs) because the signing team had too many players on their roster. This one wasn't a show stopper, but extremely annoying to online commishes.

[RonCo]

Originally Posted by robster1225

Can someone please give me specific reasons to not at least download the patch and test it before deciding not to patch? you can always redownload the master OOTP file and revert back to the old version if your not pleased with the patch. They wont be updating the master file until the patch goes "final". In the original patch post it says under "Who should upgrade" that any league who's a victim of the online league free agency issue. Well, guess what, every league will run into that issue soon enough. I personally think the patch is a must, and don't see why someone wouldn't want to at least try it.

Any league who is not in the middle of FA is not encountering the bug right now. Why would a commish running a league that's "stable" take a risk? Also, there are leagues like ours, who run all financials outside the engine. We are immune to the FA offer bug. All that said, we're going to test with the patch a little and ask the guys to install it if it seems to be okay--which I fully expect it to be. I'm just saying that there are probably good reasons to wait as a rule.

Bottom line for me here is that if I'm not in a place where I need to move the league (and I weren't a tester), my likelihood of spending time to dl, install, and test a version I don't need right away is probably going to be limited by Real Life (TM).

[robster1225]

Originally Posted by RonCo

Any league who is not in the middle of FA is not encountering the bug right now. Why would a commish running a league that's "stable" take a risk? Also, there are leagues like ours, who run all financials outside the engine. We are immune to the FA offer bug. All that said, we're going to test with the patch a little and ask the guys to install it if it seems to be okay--which I fully expect it to be. I'm just saying that there are probably good reasons to wait as a rule.

Bottom line for me here is that if I'm not in a place where I need to move the league (and I weren't a tester), my likelihood of spending time to dl, install, and test a version I don't need right away is probably going to be limited by Real Life (TM).

I have no problem with leagues' making a decision AFTER testing it. I don't, however, understand why a league wouldn't test it. The FA bug can pop up in the middle of the season, although it's not as important because there aren't usually a bunch of multiple offers on one player. If a league tests the patch, and they find it to be unstable and it has problems, then of course they shouldn't patch. But, I'm hearing from other people (noone in this thread really) that their commish wont patch, and they wont even test the patch.