[Kemp]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Nah. With offense being lower in my settings, I have no interest in playing with career leaders as low as they would be using those settings.

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Wow. I'm definitely going to "purge" my league. My next Quick Start league will use your dev modifiers and my new stats settings, and will be set up as follows:

1. Sim 1950-1975.
2. Delete all history.
3. Sim 1976-2000.
4. Leave history in tact.
5. Advance league to January 1, 2001.

For those who want to start with no history, they can always delete the 1976-2000 history, dump everyone into the pool, and start with an inaugural draft. But at least this way, the league should give static stats since it will have 2+ generations of game-generated players.

Trying to reconcile this entire thread with the RonCo thread regarding development modifiers. Proposed Fictional League Dev/Aging Modifiers

It would seem to me that if you do what you mentioned above AND used RonCo's modifiers, you'd be ok stat-wise. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

[SkyDog]

Originally Posted by Kemp

Trying to reconcile this entire thread with the RonCo thread regarding development modifiers. Proposed Fictional League Dev/Aging Modifiers

It would seem to me that if you do what you mentioned above AND used RonCo's modifiers, you'd be ok stat-wise. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

No. The second quote is quite a bit later as the issue was examined further.

[minadaddy]

Been playing OOTP9 for about a week and have become addicted to it. Its the first true sports sim I've played and I can't believe its taken me this long to discover the genre.

That being said, I'm eager to jump into SkyDog's fictional league since everyone seems to love it. However, being new to the OOTP world I'm not familiar with the difference between the Quick Start and the 24 team template. If the Quick Start file is supposed to give me all the settings and teams I need, then what is the 24 team template for? A brief explanation of its use would be awesome.

[SkyDog]

Originally Posted by minadaddy

Been playing OOTP9 for about a week and have become addicted to it. Its the first true sports sim I've played and I can't believe its taken me this long to discover the genre.

That being said, I'm eager to jump into SkyDog's fictional league since everyone seems to love it. However, being new to the OOTP world I'm not familiar with the difference between the Quick Start and the 24 team template. If the Quick Start file is supposed to give me all the settings and teams I need, then what is the 24 team template for? A brief explanation of its use would be awesome.

The template is useful if you want to use a different league structure than mine, but just want to use my settings for stats purposes. Load up the template, and then you can delete/rename/restructure the league before starting the game. The other reason there are both is just a practical one: it's much faster and easier to produce a template, since no logos and colors are involved.

[SkyDog]

First post edited with new settings, appropriating RonCo's excellent work on development and aging. I'm testing right now to see what happens if one switches over to these modifiers midstream in my QS league. I have not yet updated the QS. I hope to get that done tonight or tomorrow.

[SkyDog]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'm testing right now to see what happens if one switches over to these modifiers midstream in my QS league.

My league is 21 seasons in, and I switched to these settings. There was a definite jump in offense the first season, but nothing that threw it out of whack, either. Only one new single-season offensive record was set--16 triples beat the previous record of 15. And actually a new pitching record was set: 11.90 K/9IP. From my tests, the first season has the highest offense, so early returns indicate that switching to these won't throw an existing league out of whack. I'll run it forward and report in periodically.

[SkyDog]

OK. I made the switch before the 2022 season. You can see the increase in offense, but it's not horrible by any means, and as you can see, it dropped back down into the original ranges in about 15 years.


<table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="935"><tbody><tr> <td style="padding: 12px;"> <table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="911"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="hscc">Lg</td> <td class="hsnc">LgAvg</td> <td class="hsnc">LgERA</td> <td class="hscc">Champion</td> <td class="hsnc">Year</td> <td class="hscc">Champion</td> <td class="hsnc">LgERA</td> <td class="hsnc">LgAvg</td> <td class="hscc">Lg</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.263</td> <td class="scg">4.03</td> <td class="scg">Orlando Seminoles</td> <td class="scg">2008</td> <td class="scg">San Diego Sunshine</td> <td class="scg">4.17</td> <td class="scg">.263</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">4.05</td> <td class="sc">New York Enforcers</td> <td class="sc">2009</td> <td class="sc">San Francisco Gold Rush</td> <td class="sc">4.25</td> <td class="sc">.266</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">4.02</td> <td class="scg">Havana Pirates</td> <td class="scg">2010</td> <td class="scg">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="scg">4.11</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">3.95</td> <td class="sc">Toronto Fire</td> <td class="sc">2011</td> <td class="sc">Phoenix Apaches</td> <td class="sc">4.20</td> <td class="sc">.261</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.259</td> <td class="scg">4.03</td> <td class="scg">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="scg">2012</td> <td class="scg">San Francisco Gold Rush</td> <td class="scg">4.11</td> <td class="scg">.260</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">3.98</td> <td class="sc">Toronto Fire</td> <td class="sc">2013</td> <td class="sc">San Francisco Gold Rush</td> <td class="sc">3.93</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">3.96</td> <td class="scg">New York Enforcers</td> <td class="scg">2014</td> <td class="scg">Los Angeles Whales</td> <td class="scg">4.09</td> <td class="scg">.259</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">3.93</td> <td class="sc">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="sc">2015</td> <td class="sc">Mexico City Aztecs</td> <td class="sc">4.04</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">3.91</td> <td class="scg">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="scg">2016</td> <td class="scg">Mexico City Aztecs</td> <td class="scg">3.91</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.253</td> <td class="sc">3.74</td> <td class="sc">Toronto Fire</td> <td class="sc">2017</td> <td class="sc">Mexico City Aztecs</td> <td class="sc">4.02</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">3.88</td> <td class="scg">Georgia Rattlesnakes</td> <td class="scg">2018</td> <td class="scg">Mexico City Aztecs</td> <td class="scg">3.99</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.256</td> <td class="sc">3.95</td> <td class="sc">Columbus Mudcats</td> <td class="sc">2019</td> <td class="sc">Los Angeles Whales</td> <td class="sc">4.02</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">4.01</td> <td class="scg">Havana Pirates</td> <td class="scg">2020</td> <td class="scg">Mexico City Aztecs</td> <td class="scg">4.06</td> <td class="scg">.259</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.257</td> <td class="sc">3.88</td> <td class="sc">Columbus Mudcats</td> <td class="sc">2021</td> <td class="sc">Phoenix Apaches</td> <td class="sc">4.11</td> <td class="sc">.263</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">4.29</td> <td class="scg">Columbus Mudcats</td> <td class="scg">2022</td> <td class="scg">Oklahoma City Tornado</td> <td class="scg">4.55</td> <td class="scg">.264</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">4.36</td> <td class="sc">Baltimore Blue Claws</td> <td class="sc">2023</td> <td class="sc">San Diego Sunshine</td> <td class="sc">4.54</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">4.35</td> <td class="scg">Lowcountry Gators</td> <td class="scg">2024</td> <td class="scg">Phoenix Apaches</td> <td class="scg">4.36</td> <td class="scg">.262</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.264</td> <td class="sc">4.55</td> <td class="sc">Toronto Fire</td> <td class="sc">2025</td> <td class="sc">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="sc">4.40</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.262</td> <td class="scg">4.45</td> <td class="scg">Philadelphia Freedom</td> <td class="scg">2026</td> <td class="scg">Phoenix Apaches</td> <td class="scg">4.38</td> <td class="scg">.262</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.265</td> <td class="sc">4.42</td> <td class="sc">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="sc">2027</td> <td class="sc">Oklahoma City Tornado</td> <td class="sc">4.32</td> <td class="sc">.258</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.265</td> <td class="scg">4.35</td> <td class="scg">Philadelphia Freedom</td> <td class="scg">2028</td> <td class="scg">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="scg">4.41</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.265</td> <td class="sc">4.45</td> <td class="sc">Washington Federals</td> <td class="sc">2029</td> <td class="sc">Oklahoma City Tornado</td> <td class="sc">4.27</td> <td class="sc">.253</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.266</td> <td class="scg">4.52</td> <td class="scg">Massachusetts Pilgrims</td> <td class="scg">2030</td> <td class="scg">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="scg">4.39</td> <td class="scg">.255</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.261</td> <td class="sc">4.23</td> <td class="sc">Toronto Fire</td> <td class="sc">2031</td> <td class="sc">Dallas Oil Kings</td> <td class="sc">4.43</td> <td class="sc">.260</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.263</td> <td class="scg">4.41</td> <td class="scg">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="scg">2032</td> <td class="scg">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="scg">4.31</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">4.28</td> <td class="sc">Lowcountry Gators</td> <td class="sc">2033</td> <td class="sc">Los Angeles Whales</td> <td class="sc">4.65</td> <td class="sc">.267</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.262</td> <td class="scg">4.33</td> <td class="scg">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="scg">2034</td> <td class="scg">Louisiana Crawfish</td> <td class="scg">4.29</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.259</td> <td class="sc">4.23</td> <td class="sc">Pittsburgh Coal Miners</td> <td class="sc">2035</td> <td class="sc">Phoenix Apaches</td> <td class="sc">4.39</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.259</td> <td class="scg">4.16</td> <td class="scg">Charlotte Cougars</td> <td class="scg">2036</td> <td class="scg">Los Angeles Whales</td> <td class="scg">4.25</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.258</td> <td class="sc">4.10</td> <td class="sc">Columbus Mudcats</td> <td class="sc">2037</td> <td class="sc">Louisiana Crawfish</td> <td class="sc">4.38</td> <td class="sc">.266</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.258</td> <td class="scg">4.24</td> <td class="scg">Philadelphia Freedom</td> <td class="scg">2038</td> <td class="scg">Houston Lone Stars</td> <td class="scg">4.38</td> <td class="scg">.264</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">4.01</td> <td class="sc">
</td> <td class="sc">2039</td> <td class="sc">
</td> <td class="sc">4.23</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr> <tr> <td class="h3l" style="padding: 4px;">Bold indicates World Series Champion</td></tr></tbody></table>

[SkyDog]

The next few seasons...

<table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="911"><tbody><tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.255</td> <td class="sc">4.01</td> <td class="sc">Columbus Mudcats</td> <td class="sc">2039</td> <td class="sc">Houston Lone Stars</td> <td class="sc">4.23</td> <td class="sc">.262</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">4.11</td> <td class="scg">Lowcountry Gators</td> <td class="scg">2040</td> <td class="scg">Oklahoma City Tornado</td> <td class="scg">4.26</td> <td class="scg">.261</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="sc">EC</td> <td class="sc">.258</td> <td class="sc">4.12</td> <td class="sc">Lowcountry Gators</td> <td class="sc">2041</td> <td class="sc">Oakland Black Knights</td> <td class="sc">4.10</td> <td class="sc">.258</td> <td class="sc">WC</td></tr> <tr> <td class="scg">EC</td> <td class="scg">.260</td> <td class="scg">4.14</td> <td class="scg">Nashville Hawks</td> <td class="scg">2042</td> <td class="scg">Vancouver Lumberjacks</td> <td class="scg">3.99</td> <td class="scg">.257</td> <td class="scg">WC</td></tr></tbody></table>

Yup. Based on my longer-term tests, there's no reason to believe stats won't stay right there after a generation.

[akw4572]

Thanks for the work, not once but twice. Year in and year out, your league totals are what I trust for my fictional stuff. Appreciate it. I'd still like someone to explain to me how to get the totals averaged so quick sometime.

[DaddyO]

I have the zipped Quick Start file. To what directory do I unzip it?

edited to add: I tried the quickstart folder but when I went to open it I got an error that the game couldn't read the "world" file. Suggestions?

[akw4572]

Originally Posted by DaddyO

I have the zipped Quick Start file. To what directory do I unzip it?

In your ootp developments folder, ootp 9, then quickstart_games

[jayharvill]

so SkyDog, what are your suggested modifiers and aging/development ratings now?

[akw4572]

Originally Posted by jayharvill

so SkyDog, what are your suggested modifiers and aging/development ratings now?

They are in the first post of the thread.

[discodude5]

SkyDog, I was wondering what injury setting are you using?

There was a possible connection in the other thread about the injury setting having an effect on the offense and I didn't see you list what setting you use on page 1.

Have you found there to be no difference between low and normal injury settings as far as offensive output?

[SkyDog]

Originally Posted by discodude5

SkyDog, I was wondering what injury setting are you using?

There was a possible connection in the other thread about the injury setting having an effect on the offense and I didn't see you list what setting you use on page 1.

Have you found there to be no difference between low and normal injury settings as far as offensive output?

I never isolated for whether or not there's a difference. I decided to go with "Average" on injuries and fatigue.

[SkyDog]

OOTP9 QuickStart Fictional League With Logos, RonCo Dev, SkyDog Stats. - Front Office Football Central

[SkyDog]

Originally Posted by akw4572

One thing I've done that, in my mind, improves the league, is imported a schedule from the mid 1970's into the game.

How do you import a schedule?

[akw4572]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

How do you import a schedule?

Go to game setup. Then league setup. Click on functions, then edit schedule. From there, after clicking on schedule in the bottom right, you have the option to import schedule. I chose to import one from the 1970's (quite a ways down the list of schedule options). I believe you first need to uncheck use balanced schedule in league options if it is chosen.

[Doughnuts?]

SkyDog-

I know you input the new numbers into an existing league and got an acceptable level of offensive inflation the first few years, but did you use them to start a league? Because I just did and in year 3 and 4 one league has an ERA over 5 and BA .280. Other league is mid 4 ERA. 2 leagues, 8 teams per.

[akw4572]

Originally Posted by Doughnuts?

SkyDog-

I know you input the new numbers into an existing league and got an acceptable level of offensive inflation the first few years, but did you use them to start a league? Because I just did and in year 3 and 4 one league has an ERA over 5 and BA .280. Other league is mid 4 ERA. 2 leagues, 8 teams per.

I believe the smaller the number of teams, the greater the chance for variance.