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Old 10-05-2007, 11:47 AM   #1
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1901 - 2007

Just ran a sim through the end of the 2007 season (took about 8.5 hours) and haven't really had time to look at the results much, but here's a few things I've noticed (recalc was off, btw):

Round 1 of the playoffs is now called the World Series and Rounds 2 and 3 are known by their numbers. I wish the game pushed back the name label.

The STL Browns/Milwaukee Brewers/Baltimore Orioles franchise made 30 playoff appearances and won 13 World Series. Both of those numbers lead my sim.

The Tampa Bay Devil Rays have 4 playoff appearances and 1 World Series. Their World Series club had a $101M payroll in 2006. Their 2005 payroll was $70M and their 2004 payroll was $38.5M. Both of those clubs were in the playoffs as well. They built their team from within. Joe Mauer had been their starting catcher since 2003 - he has a career .331/.389/.501 line. Left the team to sign with the Oakland Athletics after the '07 season.

Rogers Hornsby is the career leader in VORP (1491.98) and BA (.347). He finished with 4081 hits, but is only 5th on the all-time Hits leaderboard.

Freddie Lindstrom is the career Hits leader with 4485. He played 27 seasons, from age 17 through 43. He was always a useful player - even his last two seasons were at least 6 VORP campaigns. He only played 11 minor league games in his career and that was his rookie year.

Will Clark has 4061 hits and is still active as of the end of the 2007 season. His '07 season was at age 43 and he had a 15.5 VORP. He played in all 162 games for the Florida Marlins, tallying 171 hits, 38 2Bs, 11 HRs (giving him 624 in his career - 7th all-time), and a .786 OPS.

Speaking of HRs, Hank Aaron is the career leader with 756 (ha!). He played all but his final two seasons for the Boston Red Sox. He wound up with 4084 total hits.

Tim Salmon (!) is 2nd on the HR list with 691 and is still playing. He's tied with the retired Paul Sorrento.

Jim Thome (650) and Mo Vaughn (642) are next on the list and are both still active. 31 players have at least 501 HRs.

Men who just missed the 500 mark? Ken Harrelson (498), Josh Gibson (493), Ted Williams (493). Williams' power dropped off after his 42 HR campaign in '45. He never hit more than 29 in a season through the end of his career in '56.

Rickey Henderson is the all-time SB leader with 1087, just passing John McGraw's 1085. Rickey had three SBs in his last season. I like to think he hung around just to get that record.

Cy Young leads the 26 members of the 300 Win Club with 495. Curt Schilling is 4th at 361 and is still active.

Arthur Rhodes has 635 saves to lead history and is still active.

Rube Bressler (2nd with 423 wins) pitched in 7265 innings from 1914 through 1940.

Sam McDowell leads with 5749 Ks. Schilling is 2nd with 5421. Schill has played his entire career with the Pittsburgh Pirates.

There have only been two Perfect Games and none since 1917. Horacio Ramirez threw a No-Hitter in 2005 while walking 10 and K'ing 2.

If there's anyone someone wants me to look up, I'd be happy to.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:18 PM   #2
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As I always ask in people's alternate histories...

What about Bill DeLancey, catcher for the Cardinals in the 30's. In real life he only played parts of 4 years, how'd he do in your league?
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:58 PM   #3
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How'd Barry Bonds end up?

Where does A-Rod stand at the end of '07?

What about Mark Prior and Kerry Wood?

Any real life super-stars or HoFers who were busts?
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:41 PM   #4
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As I always ask in people's alternate histories...

What about Bill DeLancey, catcher for the Cardinals in the 30's. In real life he only played parts of 4 years, how'd he do in your league?
DeLancey wound up with 2204 hits, playing 18 seasons in the big leagues. He was an 8-time All Star and 3-time Gold Glover. He holds the top spot for single season BA among catchers at .366 despite being a career .289 hitter. He's 14th on the career VORP list for catchers at 470.23.

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How'd Barry Bonds end up?

Where does A-Rod stand at the end of '07?

What about Mark Prior and Kerry Wood?

Any real life super-stars or HoFers who were busts?
Bonds started strong, hitting 61 HRs in his first two seasons combined with 57 steals. 50 games into the 1987 season (his third) he broke he jaw and suffered massive talent drops. He somehow hung around until 2001, winding up with 365 career HRs and 408 steals. His overall line was .221/.347/.424 - eight times he hit .201 or less.

Rodriguez is a stud. He's played his entire career with the Rockies so far. 2601 hits, 556 HRs, .326/.395/.594 line. He missed the entire 2006 season with a fractured eye socket (!) but didn't lose any ratings or potential. In August of '07 he broke his knee as well, but again got lucky and received no drops. He's predominantly a shortstop but has seen significant time at 3B over the years - he's the career SLG and HR leader among SS. 78 guys are in the 3,000 hit club, three more retired at 2995 or more. He doesn't even crack the top 100 for hits among all players. He's 17th among the HR leaders and could move into the top 10 in 2008.

Mark Prior pitched well in his 2001 rookie season with a 3.06 ERA in 191 IP w/ 243 K's for the DBacks but random talent drops and a few light injuries escorted him out of baseball at the end of the 2006 season.

Kerry Wood was mediocre for the first few seasons of his career for the Rangers before getting shelled from 1999 until the end of his career at the end of 2006. 77-114, 5.20 ERA, 374 games (258 starts), 1682 IP, 1739 K's.

As for notable busts, Willie Mays hit .254/.292/.445 for his career which lasted six full seasons and 6 more seasons where he played a combined 140 games and only got 50 ABs - his last AB came in 1956 even though he played 71 games through the end of 1961.

Babe Ruth was a mediocre pitcher with the Yankees for his entire career which lasted only until 1919. He retired after that season.

Roberto Clemente retired with 116 career hits. Sandy Koufax went 20-27 for his career.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:04 PM   #5
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Bonds started strong, hitting 61 HRs in his first two seasons combined with 57 steals. 50 games into the 1987 season (his third) he broke he jaw and suffered massive talent drops. He somehow hung around until 2001, winding up with 365 career HRs and 408 steals. His overall line was .221/.347/.424 - eight times he hit .201 or less.

Rodriguez is a stud. He's played his entire career with the Rockies so far. 2601 hits, 556 HRs, .326/.395/.594 line. He missed the entire 2006 season with a fractured eye socket (!) but didn't lose any ratings or potential. In August of '07 he broke his knee as well, but again got lucky and received no drops. He's predominantly a shortstop but has seen significant time at 3B over the years - he's the career SLG and HR leader among SS. 78 guys are in the 3,000 hit club, three more retired at 2995 or more. He doesn't even crack the top 100 for hits among all players. He's 17th among the HR leaders and could move into the top 10 in 2008.

Mark Prior pitched well in his 2001 rookie season with a 3.06 ERA in 191 IP w/ 243 K's for the DBacks but random talent drops and a few light injuries escorted him out of baseball at the end of the 2006 season.

Kerry Wood was mediocre for the first few seasons of his career for the Rangers before getting shelled from 1999 until the end of his career at the end of 2006. 77-114, 5.20 ERA, 374 games (258 starts), 1682 IP, 1739 K's.

As for notable busts, Willie Mays hit .254/.292/.445 for his career which lasted six full seasons and 6 more seasons where he played a combined 140 games and only got 50 ABs - his last AB came in 1956 even though he played 71 games through the end of 1961.

Babe Ruth was a mediocre pitcher with the Yankees for his entire career which lasted only until 1919. He retired after that season.

Roberto Clemente retired with 116 career hits. Sandy Koufax went 20-27 for his career.
Wow, thank for the details. Very interesting to look at what "could have" been. Poor Mark Prior, even in an alternate universe he is hampered by injury.

How did you go about setting up the sim? Did you start a new league in 1901, and then not manage a team?
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:08 PM   #6
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How about my all-time favorite player John Tudor?

I'd also be interested in Dizzy Dean and Bob Gibson's numbers if you've got the time.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:30 PM   #7
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How did you go about setting up the sim? Did you start a new league in 1901, and then not manage a team?
Pretty much. I just let it run overnight. It was a test for my upcoming solo league. 78 guys in the 3,000 hit club is a little much, so I'm going to put aging/development factors back to 1.000 (I had slowed down aging and sped up development by about 50%) and see how that sim goes tonight.

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I'd also be interested in Dizzy Dean and Bob Gibson's numbers if you've got the time.
Tudor went 144-146 with a 3.44 ERA in more than 2700 IP. His best season was 1983 when he went 18-11 with a 2.78 in 278 IP. He made one AS team and thrice won a Gold Glove.

Dean had three solid seasons, one mediocre one and two bad ones for the Cardinals. He was unlucky enough to get a couple of random talent drops. His '31 rookie season was his best: 19-9, 3.15, 242 IP.

Gibson was 34-53 with a 3.37 in 846 IP. His first year was an AS season (11-17, 2.87, 285 IP, 244 K's) but he would never be that good again. He gave the Tigers two more solid seasons before being hit with unlucky drops. I've generally only looked at big league stats for guys, but Gibson's screen shows an appearance in '65 and then again in '71 so I looked at his minor league numbers. The man pitched 2200 innings in the minors from 1960 through 1971. He wasn't very good, but he sure stuck around.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:55 PM   #8
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Which team played the longest without a playoff appearance?
In the one im running now its the cubs. I started in 1901 and as of 1964 the cubs have never made the playoffs. Im not using a draft so i figure they should at least have made it once but theyve pretty much been lousy in the leagues history.
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Which team played the longest without a playoff appearance?
In the one im running now its the cubs. I started in 1901 and as of 1964 the cubs have never made the playoffs. Im not using a draft so i figure they should at least have made it once but theyve pretty much been lousy in the leagues history.
New York / San Francisco Giants - 1908 - 1971
New York Yankees - 1928 - 1979

I guess it wasn't a New York Century.
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As a baseball fan from the province of Quebec, what the Expos franchise look like? Do they win any championship or world series? What kind of career have Steve Rogers and Tim Wallach? Tanks
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Tudor went 144-146 with a 3.44 ERA in more than 2700 IP. His best season was 1983 when he went 18-11 with a 2.78 in 278 IP. He made one AS team and thrice won a Gold Glove.

Dean had three solid seasons, one mediocre one and two bad ones for the Cardinals. He was unlucky enough to get a couple of random talent drops. His '31 rookie season was his best: 19-9, 3.15, 242 IP.

Gibson was 34-53 with a 3.37 in 846 IP. His first year was an AS season (11-17, 2.87, 285 IP, 244 K's) but he would never be that good again. He gave the Tigers two more solid seasons before being hit with unlucky drops. I've generally only looked at big league stats for guys, but Gibson's screen shows an appearance in '65 and then again in '71 so I looked at his minor league numbers. The man pitched 2200 innings in the minors from 1960 through 1971. He wasn't very good, but he sure stuck around.
Wow! And thanks. Whodda thunk Tudor would end up having the better career of those three hurlers!

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As a baseball fan from the province of Quebec, what the Expos franchise look like? Do they win any championship or world series? What kind of career have Steve Rogers and Tim Wallach? Tanks
They made the playoffs in '73 and '74. '96, '03, '04, '07 (as the Nationals, obviously). Their top five hitters by VORP: Juan Rivera, Lance Parrish, Bobby Valentine, Kevin Millar, Nick Esasky. As for pitchers, Frank Seminara went 251-202 with a 3.35 ERA. Steve Howe got 556 saves. Seminara wound up with 940 VORP, followed by Mark Portugal at 537 and Byleleven, Steve Howe and Mike Paul in the mid-300s.

Rogers went 205-185, 3.98 over 3493 IP. He never put together a string of strong seasons but would instead pitch a few decent years, one good year, a few bad years, a few decent years, etc.

Tim Wallach had 537 career hits for the White Sox from '79 through '85. 1980 was his only real productive season at .304/.352/.507 - 24 HRs, 101 RBIs and a career high 2 steals.

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Old 10-06-2007, 03:19 AM   #13
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From the unique names department, how about -

Biff Pocoroba
John Wockenfuss

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I have some people

Joe DiMaggio
Billy Martin (As a player and a manager)
Yogi Berra
Keith Hernandez
Derek Jeter
Roger Clemens
Wade Boggs
Don Mattingly
Todd Helton
David Ortiz
Bernie Williams
Paul O'Neil

Ok. That's it.
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Just looking at ML stats as usual...

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Biff Pocoroba
John Wockenfuss
Pocoroba played from '73 through '75 with the Reds, totalling 214 career hits. Wockenfuss played from '67 through '74 with the Twins, managing 219 hits.

Joe DiMaggio split his twenty year career between the Indians, Cubs and Cardinals. He got 2963 hits, 538 2Bs, 451 HRs (44th all-time), 1693 runs scored, 1788 RBIs (34th). He had a career line of .309/.376/.523. He won the RoY, 10 Gold Gloves and was a 13-time AS.

Billy Martin got 239 career hits over his 14 year career.

Berra was excellent, .299/.418/.528, 2311 hits, 434 HRs, RoY and 14 AS selections. He's the all-time Catcher leader in OPS, VORP (916.1) and OBP.

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How about Rube Krohl and Dave Kingman ?
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How about Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Cal Ripken Jr and Brady Anderson?
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Which team played the longest without a playoff appearance?
In the one im running now its the cubs. I started in 1901 and as of 1964 the cubs have never made the playoffs. Im not using a draft so i figure they should at least have made it once but theyve pretty much been lousy in the leagues history.
Not to steal from this thread, but I have one where the Tigers went from 1901 to 1978 before finally making the playoffs in 1979. They got as close as 1 game back in 1956 (behind the Yankees). In '79 they got past the White Sox in 5, but went down to the Mets in 5 in the World Series. They finished second the next two years, fifth in 1982, and then made it again in 1983. They eliminated Texas in 5 before losing to Pittsburgh in 5 games. They've been out of it ever since. Only Arizona and Colorado have made the playoffs fewer times while Tampa Bay also has only made it twice (of course, all of those teams have much shorter histories than Detroit!).
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Keith Hernandez
Derek Jeter
Hernandez had three decent years for the Twins, topping out in '73 with a 190 hit, .299/.353/.416 performance. After the '74 season he was hit with talent drops and then by a baseball - fracturing his skill. He played in the low minors for the rest of his career, except for a 9 game stint in '79 for the Twins.

Derek Jeter is even better than in real life. In his '93 rookie campaign for the White Sox he totaled 222 hits and 31 steals (career high) with a .336/.384/.430 line. He played with the Pale Hose until the 2005 season when he was traded to the Twins for Scott Hairston (2B), who isn't nearly as good offensively and only slightly better defensively (Jeter has a 5 infield range and a 3 rating at SS). The Twins made an excellent trade to improve their offense though. So far, at the age of 33, Jeter has 2953 career hits, 1515 runs, 515 doubles, 229 HRs, 1228 RBIs, 189 SBs and 41 CS. His overall line is .335/.401/.484 (he hit .390 in 2000) - good for a 875.7 VORP (25th all-time, 4th among SSes). RoY, 9 time AS.

That's enough Yankees for now.

Through 2007 Ortiz has played his entire career for the Indians, amassing 319 2Bs and 372 HRs and a .302/.389/.577 line.

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Brooks Robinson never played in the bigs. He managed 291 career minor league hits over 11 seasons.

Frank Robinson was a bust, putting up 76 hits over five seasons for the Reds.

Ripken was a bust as well. 72 career hits over two seasons.

Brady Anderson was a bust. 221 hits in six seasons for the Red Sox.

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Kroh had three good years for the Senators from '08 through 1910. 1911 through '14 weren't quite as good. Overall he was 46-55 with a 2.67 ERA in 966 IP.

Kong was Kong, only a bit better. He played 17 full seasons, never appearing in less than 147 games except for his 139 games in '82. He played for the Pirates, Athletics, Dodgers and Angels. 2400 career hits, 523 HRs (25th all-time, 9th all-time when he retired however), 2493 strikeouts (6th all-time, 3rd when he retired). .233/.297/.427 was good for a 319.1 VORP.
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