You Pick Tourney: Group IX/Round 1

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Twelve Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1974 Padres 9-6
Game MVP: Chirs Cannizarzaro 2-4, R, 2RBI
Series Standings: 1909 Cubs 7-5

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Final Score: 1944 Browns 8-7(10 Inn)
Game MVP: Chet Laabs 2-5, HR, R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers 7-5

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1949 Red Sox 5-2
Game MVP: Mel Parnell 8IP, 6H, 2ER, 2K
Series Standings: Tied 6-6

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1996 Cardinals 5-4(10 Inn)
Game MVP: David Bell 2-3, HR, R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1996 Cardinals 7-5

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1977 Royals 3-2
Game MVP: Paul Splittorff 8IP, 4H, 2ER, 6K
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox 8-4

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 1961 Reds 10-6(10 Inn)
Game MVP: Dustan Mohr 2-4, 2HR, 2R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1961 Reds 8-4

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Final Score: 1987 Brewers 4-0
Game MVP: Juan Nieves 9IP, 4H, 0ER, 5K
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers 8-4

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1909 Tigers 5-3(13 Inn)
Game MVP: Ty Cobb 4-6, HR, 3R, 2RBI
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 8-4

[Vris]

Anyone getting the impression that this is slanted towards the Modern Era?

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by Vris

Anyone getting the impression that this is slanted towards the Modern Era?

Well pre-1920 is struggling for sure, but I am not sure that any other particular era has a distinct advantage after that.

1901-1920 is 4-12 in series
1921-1940 is 9-7 in series
1941-1960 is 10-4 in series
1961-1980 is 8-9 in series
1981-2004 is 33-32 in series

I would say 33 wins and 32 losses is far from slanted.

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Thirteen Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1974 Padres 8-3
Game MVP: Dave Winfield 3-5, 2HR, 3R, 5RBI
Series Standings: 1909 Cubs 7-6

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Final Score: 1978 Dodgers 4-0
Game MVP: Don Sutton 9IP, 6H, 0ER, 4K
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers 8-5

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1949 Red Sox 2-1
Game MVP: Tex Hughson 8IP, 5H, 1ER, 4K
Series Standings: 1949 Red Sox 7-6

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1932 A's 6-5(11 Inn)
Game MVP: Al Simmons 3-5, R, RBI
Series Standings: 1996 Cardinals 7-6

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 2002 White Sox 4-1
Game MVP: Frank Thomas 4-4, HR, 2R, RBI
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox 9-4

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 2003 Twins 7-2
Game MVP: Johan Santana 8IP, 8H, 2ER, 8K
Series Standings: 1961 Reds 8-5

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Final Score: 1994 White Sox 7-4
Game MVP: Tim Raines 2-4, HR, 2R, RBI
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers 8-5

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1964 Red Sox 6-5(11 Inn)
Game MVP: Felix Mantilla 2-2, R, RBI
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 9-4

[andymac]

Originally Posted by woody5254

Well pre-1920 is struggling for sure, but I am not sure that any other particular era has a distinct advantage after that.

1901-1920 is 4-12 in series
1921-1940 is 9-7 in series
1941-1960 is 10-4 in series
1961-1980 is 8-9 in series
1981-2004 is 33-32 in series

I would say 33 wins and 32 losses is far from slanted.

Yea, it seems to me since the numbers aren't normalized that deadball teams are having trouble offensively (as well as with 4th starters).

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by andymac

Yea, it seems to me since the numbers aren't normalized that deadball teams are having trouble offensively (as well as with 4th starters).

Yes, that can't get Homers, so they have to string together hits. AS far as 4th starters go, I actually have the game set to only use 3, but every team uses 4 for some reason. I have pitching Endurance set to Good as well. It is virtually impossible to make it equal for all eras without a normalized database. I am open to any or all suggestions for my next one.

[Vris]

Originally Posted by woody5254

Well pre-1920 is struggling for sure, but I am not sure that any other particular era has a distinct advantage after that.

1901-1920 is 4-12 in series
1921-1940 is 9-7 in series
1941-1960 is 10-4 in series
1961-1980 is 8-9 in series
1981-2004 is 33-32 in series

I would say 33 wins and 32 losses is far from slanted.

I guess it's just the fact that so many modern era teams are in it that makes it harder to distinguish who is doing well and who isn't.

I guess that's partly what I meant by "slanted".

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by Vris

I guess it's just the fact that so many modern era teams are in it that makes it harder to distinguish who is doing well and who isn't.

I guess that's partly what I meant by "slanted".

That is kinda what I thought as well. I know I think that a lot of slots in Round #2 are taken by post 1980 teams, but then again when I ran the numbers through on who was eliminated there are lot of teams from that same era that have fallen as well.

I realize that as it stands pre 1920 will struggle to score runs, but if I tweak things to be in their favor a little it may cause things to go totally haywire with the other eras. What is seemingly happening with those pre 1920 teams is they are going up against a team with one or two big bats and they can shut them down for most of a series, but they just can't hold them down for 10 of 19 games. Or they just simply can't score enough to make the other offense sweat at all. They need 3-4 hits to score 2 runs whereas 1920-present can do it with a bloop and a blast. At this point I am not sure I can do anything to alter the format of this tourney, but I am more then willing to take some brainstorming ideas for future tourneys.

I apologize to all those board members with the great deadball era teams, they are most likely going to find it hard to advance.

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Fourteen Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1974 Padres 10-3
Game MVP: Willie McCovey 2-3, HR, 2R, 2RBI
Series Standings: Tied 7-7

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Final Score: 1978 Dodgers 1-0(13 Inn)
Game MVP: Al Hollingsworth 9IP, 5H, 0ER, 5K
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers 9-5

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1947 Giants 3-2
Game MVP: Bill Voiselle 8IP, 5H, 0ER, 6K
Series Standings: Tied 7-7

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1932 A's 2-1(10 Inn)
Game MVP: George Eranshaw 7I9, 2H, 0ER, 1K
Series Standings: Tied 7-7

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1977 Royals 5-1
Game MVP: Marty Pattin 9IP, 4H, 1ER, 4K
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox 9-5

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 2003 Twins 9-5
Game MVP: Jacque Hones 3-4, HR, 2R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1961 Reds 8-6

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Final Score: 1987 Brewers 6-2
Game MVP: Teddy Higuera 9IP, 6H, 2ER, 10K
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers 9-5

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1909 Tigers 2-1
Game MVP: Kid Speer 8IP, 9H, 1ER, 1K
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 9-5

[tward13]

14 rounds and no winners. Is this a first?

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by tward13

14 rounds and no winners. Is this a first?

I think it might be. It seems like each of the other groups has had at least one blowout. There might have been one other group that lasted this long with all teams alive, but I am not 100% sure.

[tward13]

I think it is the first round that has gone 14 games with no elimination.

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Fifteen Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1974 Padres 7-4
Game MVP: Enzo Hernandez 1-1, 2RBI(Tie breaking 2R 2B in bottom of 8th)
Series Standings: 1974 Padres 8-7

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Final Score: 1944 Browns 3-2
Game MVP: Jasck Kramer 8IP, 7H, 2ER, 2K
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers 9-6

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1949 Red Sox 8-6
Game MVP: Birdie Tebbetts 3-4, HR, 2R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1949 Red Sox 8-7

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1996 Cardinals 5-3
Game MVP: Danny Jackson 8IP, 6H, 0ER, 1K
Series Standings: 1996 Cardinals 8-7

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 2002 White Sox 9-6
Game MVP: Frank Thomas 2-4, 2HR, 2R, 4RBI
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox Win Series 10-5

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 2003 Twins 6-2
Game MVP: Kenny Rogers 9IP, 7H, 2ER, 3K
Series Standings: 1961 Reds 8-7

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Final Score: 1987 Brewers 4-3(10 Inn)
Game MVP: Chris Bosio 9IP, 8H, 2ER, 6K
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers Win Series 10-5

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1909 Tigers 5-3
Game MVP: Sam Crawford 2-4, HR, R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 9-6

[illeracula]

Originally Posted by woody5254

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1974 Padres 10-3
Game MVP: Willie McCovey 2-3, HR, 2R, 2RBI
Series Standings: Tied 7-7

This has been a crazy series. I only picked hte '74 Padres, because its my boy's, Dave Winfield, rookie year. If they can pull this off then it will be a little wild. After the first few games I was already to pack up this series and move one...Lets go Padres!!!

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by illeracula

This has been a crazy series. I only picked hte '74 Padres, because its my boy's, Dave Winfield, rookie year. If they can pull this off then it will be a little wild. After the first few games I was already to pack up this series and move one...Lets go Padres!!!

Well Winfield has been awesome so far. He has won no fewer then three games for the Padres nearly singlehandedly.

[theasfl]

and again I get up big early only to blow the lead...blasted deadballers.

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by woody5254

AS far as 4th starters go, I actually have the game set to only use 3, but every team uses 4 for some reason. I have pitching Endurance set to Good as well.

I have the exact same problem with my historical replay. It's a pain in the ass. What's the point on having the option of a 3-man rotation when the AI always uses a 4th starter.

Don't even get me started on spot starters not being used in emergency start situation..............

[Sir Lurksalot]

Originally Posted by illeracula

This has been a crazy series. I only picked hte '74 Padres, because its my boy's, Dave Winfield, rookie year. If they can pull this off then it will be a little wild. After the first few games I was already to pack up this series and move one...Lets go Padres!!!

I am amazed that they have done this well. The Cubs were such a good team and the Padres, well, ....

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Sixteen Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1909 Cubs 5-2
Game MVP: Orval Overall 8IP, 5H, 2ER, 3K
Series Standings: Tied 8-8

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Final Score: 1978 Dodgers 5-3
Game MVP: Manny Mota 3-5, 2R, RBI
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers Win Series 10-6

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1949 Red Sox 2-0
Game MVP: Mel Parnell 7IP, 6H, 0ER, 4K
Series Standings: 1949 Red Sox 9-7

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1996 Cardinals 10-3
Game MVP: Ray Lankford 2-4, R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1996 Cardinals 9-7

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox Win Series 10-5

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 1961 Reds 5-4(10 Inn)
Game MVP: Harry Anderson 2-5, HR, R, 2RBI
Series Standings: 1961 Reds 9-7

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers Win Series 10-5

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1909 Tigers 5-1
Game MVP: Bill Donovan 7IP, 6H, 1ER, 5K
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 9-7

[woody5254]

Group IX/Round #1 Day Seventeen Highlights

1v16: 1909 Cubs(theasfl) vs 1974 Padres(illeracula)
Final Score: 1909 Cubs 5-2
Game MVP: Mordecia Brown 8IP, 8H, 2ER, 6K(And he homered at the plate!!)
Series Standings: 1909 Cubs 9-8

8v9: 1978 Dodgers(dfsteele) vs 1944 Bowns(MuchoMacho)
Series Standings: 1978 Dodgers Win Series 10-6

4v13: 1949 Red Sox(Renner) vs 1947 Giants(Renner)
Final Score: 1947 Giants 4-0
Game MVP: Larry Jansen 9IP, 1H, 0ER, 6K
Series Standings: 1949 Red Sox 9-8

5v12: 1932 A's(MattfromTN) vs 1996 Cardinals(andymac)
Final Score: 1932 A's 6-0
Game MVP: Lefty Grove 9IP, 5H, 0ER, 12K
Series Standings: 1996 Cardinals 9-8

3v14: 1977 Royals(Wheele8) vs 2002 White Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Series Standings: 2002 White Sox Win Series 10-5

6v11: 1961 Reds(Raidergoo) vs 2003 Twins(NYJaysFan36)
Final Score: 1961 Reds 9-4
Game MVP: Ed Bailey 2-4, HR, R, 2RBI
Series Standings: 1961 Reds Win Series 10-7

7v10: 1994 White Sox(CardinalsFan) vs 1987 Brewers(Wheele8)
Series Standings: 1987 Brewers Win Series 10-5

2v15: 1909 Tigers(dfsteele) vs 1964 Red Sox(cubsgnrlmngr)
Final Score: 1909 Tigers 9-8(10 Inn)
Game MVP: Sam Crawford 2-5, HR, 2R, 3RBI
Series Standings: 1964 Red Sox 9-8