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12-24-2007, 06:12 PM
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Time Warp HOF Ballot 1978
This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread.
New to the ballot are: * the All Decade closer of the 60s who is widely rated as the greatest closer in league history * the second of the great outfielders of the 60s to hit the ballot who was a six time All Pro * a two time Murphy Award winner * one of the more versatile players of the era who was an All Pro at both SS and 3B who also was a standout at first base Have at it. John |
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12-24-2007, 06:12 PM
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1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results, 1973 Results, 1974 Results, 1975 Results, 1976 Results, 1977 Results
All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1978 (retired after 1972 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. PLEASE NOTE: Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII Notes: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras. All Pros are for the Post War era only (1946-). There are traditionally voted on by a poll of the league's GM's and regular participants (1946-48, 1950-62, 1969-) or by the Sporting News (1949, 1963-68, All Decade & Centenial Teams). The year end teams are named for each league and feature one player for each field position along with 4-5 starting pitchers (depending on the rotation size of the era) and one relief pitcher. The stats in "New Cato" are a work in progess with certain years missing. |
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12-24-2007, 06:12 PM
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Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:
189 - 2B Woody Woodson 186 - LF Ray Kress 166 - CF Dark Horse Allen 163 - 2B Jason Tedford 159 - SS Whitey Kohse 158 - LF Oscar Vancini 156 - 1B Charlton Brown 152 - 2B Jed Burke 152 - 1B Patrick Seifried 152 - 1B Arnie Stewart 152 - 1B Shigeo Oh 149 - 2B Genaro Nunez 148 - C Whiskey Allen 148 - 1B Ken Chaucer 147 - 1B Lonny Arrendale 146 - CF Peaches Badeau 146 - 3B Dave Lemmings 145 - SS Blake Crocitto 145 - LF Paul Lett 142 - C Hershel Lee 141 - CF 1B Ben Baum 141 - RF Tee Carver 141 - LF Ogden Wing 141 - RF Asa Booker 140 - CF Bud Breckenridge 140 - RF John Falise 140 - CF Ray Brown 140 - RF Scott Podlasek 140 - 3B Dale Lamberty 140 - 2B Bobby Martin 139 - LF Dewey Mickelsen 139 - SS/2B Tom Howard 138 - RF Tyrell Chestnut 138 - LF Wolter Tjeenk-Willink 138 - C John Degal 138 - CF Rudel Dietrich 137 - 2B Kid Fite 137 - LF Will Miller 137 - 3B Steven Bussell 137 - 1B Ted McMurray 136 - C Harry Cohan 136 - 1B Jared Jarry 135 - C/1B John Klehammer 135 - OF Jimmy Ditty 134 - 3B Carl Kahle 134 - 2B Alan Liao Jr. 133 - 2B Slap Hertzog 133 - SS Flaky Arsenault 133 - CF Roy Hobbs 133 - CF Dave Arkless 133 - 2B Matt Perly 133 - CF Mark Silcox 132 - SS Adolf Greisbach 132 - LF John Schmieder 132 - 1B Cookie Parrish 131 - C Chuck Rauch 131 - RF Nick Graves 131 - 2B Hans Habermehl 131 - RF William Perry 130 - C Sunny Davie 129 - C Tom Turley 129 - RF George Ward 129 - CF Ping Hung 129 - C Herman Dunkel 129 - RF Moonlight Graham 128 - SS Morris Lutske 127 - CF Campbell Ditty 127 - 3B Troy Kinnear 127 - SS Mike Fellner 126 - LF Glendon Zegri 125 - 2B Herm Vardaman 125 - 2B Mike Kreitenberg 124 - SS Levi Walls 124 - SS Kenneth Whitt 123 - SS Dale Reneau 123 - 3B Alan Liao, Sr. 122 - CF Sam Kass 122 - 1B Sal Rossi 121 - 1B Quenton Misisca 120 - 2B/CF Ervin Skjerly 118 - 3B August Kahle 114 - 2B/SS Jonny Perly 114 - CF Jon Minzey 110 - 3B David McAuliffe 110 - SS Ted Stuart 104 - SS Dennis Ward 102 - C Harry Finley |
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12-24-2007, 06:13 PM
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Here's all HOF'er OPS+ by position for reference:
148 - C Whiskey Allen 142 - C Hershel Lee 138 - C John Degal 136 - C Harry Cohan 135 - C/1B John Klehammer 131 - C Chuck Rauch 130 - C Sunny Davie 129 - C Tom Turley 129 - C Herman Dunkel 102 - C Harry Finley 156 - 1B Charlton Brown 152 - 1B Patrick Seifried 152 - 1B Arnie Stewart 152 - 1B Shigeo Oh 148 - 1B Ken Chaucer 147 - 1B Lonny Arrendale 137 - 1B Ted McMurray 136 - 1B Jared Jarry 135 - C/1B John Klehammer 132 - 1B Cookie Parrish 122 - 1B Sal Rossi 121 - 1B Quenton Misisca 189 - 2B Woody Woodson 163 - 2B Jason Tedford 152 - 2B Jed Burke 149 - 2B Genaro Nunez 140 - 2B Bobby Martin 139 - SS/2B Tom Howard 137 - 2B Kid Fite 134 - 2B Alan Liao Jr. 133 - 2B Slap Hertzog 133 - 2B Matt Perly 131 - 2B Hans Habermehl 125 - 2B Herm Vardaman 125 - 2B Mike Kreitenberg 120 - 2B/CF Ervin Skjerly 114 - 2B/SS Jonny Perly 159 - SS Whitey Kohse 145 - SS Blake Crocitto 139 - SS/2B Tom Howard 133 - SS Flaky Arsenault 132 - SS Adolf Greisbach 128 - SS Morris Lutske 127 - SS Mike Fellner 124 - SS Levi Walls 124 - SS Kenneth Whitt 123 - SS Dale Reneau 114 - 2B/SS Jonny Perly 110 - SS Ted Stuart 104 - SS Dennis Ward 146 - 3B Dave Lemmings 140 - 3B Dale Lamberty 137 - 3B Steven Bussell 134 - 3B Carl Kahle 127 - 3B Troy Kinnear 123 - 3B Alan Liao, Sr. 118 - 3B August Kahle 110 - 3B David McAuliffe 186 - LF Ray Kress 158 - LF Oscar Vancini 145 - LF Paul Lett 141 - LF Ogden Wing 139 - LF Dewey Mickelsen 138 - LF Wolter Tjeenk-Willink 137 - LF Will Miller 132 - LF John Schmieder 126 - LF Glendon Zegri 166 - CF Dark Horse Allen 146 - CF Peaches Badeau 141 - CF 1B Ben Baum 140 - CF Bud Breckenridge 140 - CF Ray Brown 138 - CF Rudel Dietrich 135 - OF Jimmy Ditty 133 - CF Roy Hobbs 133 - CF Dave Arkless 133 - CF Mark Silcox 129 - CF Ping Hung 127 - CF Campbell Ditty 122 - CF Sam Kass 120 - 2B/CF Ervin Skjerly 114 - CF Jon Minzey 141 - RF Tee Carver 141 - RF Asa Booker 140 - RF John Falise 140 - RF Scott Podlasek 138 - RF Tyrell Chestnut 131 - RF Nick Graves 131 - RF William Perry 129 - RF George Ward 129 - RF Moonlight Graham |
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12-24-2007, 06:13 PM
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Batters
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 603 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 2315 R: 2004 SB: 1297  Howard "Bud" Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959 2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R 438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB .290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 121 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958 WS Victories: 1951, 1958 WS Record: .209/.250/.299/.549, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 7 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1979  Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960 1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R 861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB .286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 All Pros: 1948, 1951 Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955 WS Victories: 1946 WS Record: .264/.328/.434/.762, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 5 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2 Career Top 25: HR (11) Final Year on Ballot: 1980  Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961 1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R 476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB .260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS OPS+: 114 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957 Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959 WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959 WS Record: .250/.342/.370/.712, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 16 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5 Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1981  Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965 1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R 1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB .244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS OPS+: 128 BOY Award: 1955 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1954, 1955 Pennants: 1956, 1959 WS Victories: 1956 WS Record: .150/.292/.275/.567, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 6 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1 Career Top 25: HR (6) Final Year on Ballot: 1985  "Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966 2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R 1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB .294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: 1959 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 All Pros: 1959, 1960 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 WS Record: .252/.328/.383/.711, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 14 R Batting Titles: 1959 Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986  Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967 2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R 746 K, 685 BB .312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 WS Record: .240/.308/.339/.647, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 10 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: R 1, H 3 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1988  Lucien "Lulu" Arbour, LF, Last Season: 1969 2018 H, 315 2B, 214 HR, 1015 RBI, 1123 R 911 K, 538 BB, 443 SB .305 AVG, .357 OBP, .482 SLG, .839 OPS OPS+: 137 BOY Award: 1965 ROY Award: 1957 Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1965 Pennants: 1965, 1967 WS Victories: 1965 WS Record: .196/.212/.353/.564, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 6 R Batting Titles: 1965 Led League in: BA 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, 2B 2, 3B 2,, SB 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989  Henry Thomas, CF, Last Season: 1970 2369 H, 367 2B, 285 HR, 1146 RBI, 1236 R 1402 K, 715 BB .292 AVG, .349 OBP, .446 SLG, .815 OPS OPS+: 131 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965 Pennants: 1961, 1964, 1965 WS Victories: 1964 WS Record: .351/.390/.610/1.001, 6 HR, 16 RBI, 16 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1990  Jerome Fellows, SS/IF, Last Season: 1971 2243 H, 236 2B, 92 HR, 733 RBI, 1012 R 818 K, 810 BB .312 AVG, .381 OBP, .389 SLG, .770 OPS OPS+: 123 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1964, 1970 Pennants: 1956, 1959 (bench player) WS Victories: 1956 Post Season Record: .000/.000/.000/.000, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 R Batting Titles: 1970 Led League in: BA 1, H 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 NEW  Andrew Vamos, RF/CF, Last Season: 1972 2540 H, 314 2B, 305 HR, 1253 RBI, 1551 R 1059 K, 1428 BB .293 AVG, .391 OBP, .450 SLG, .841 OPS OPS+: 141 MLB POY: 1963 BOY Award: 1964 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE WS MVP: 1969 All Pros: 1958, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1969 Pennants: 1965, 1967, 1969 WS Victories: 1965, 1969 Post Season Record: .333/.460/.506/.966, 3 HR, 10 RBI, 11 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 3, OPS 3, R 1, BB 2 Career Top 25: BB (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1992  David Lawrence, 1B/3B/SS , Last Season: 1972 2352 H, 410 2B, 204 HR, 1190 RBI, 1170 R 1046 K, 922 BB .297 AVG, .372 OBP, .445 SLG, .817 OPS OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1964 All Pros: 1967 (3B), 1968 (SS) Pennants: 1960, 1969 WS Victories: 1960, 1969 Post Season Record: .478/.500/.696/1.196 , 1 HR, 4 RBI, 4 R Batting Titles: 1970 Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1992 |
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Pitchers
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 4028 CG: 601 SHO: 95 SV: 390 Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 210 - Andrew Murphy 163 - Frank Smith 162 - Tim Lopresto 161 - Raymond Gindler 158 - Allen Albertini 157 - Jethro Lee 157 - Cecil Tan 150 - Randy Liebermann 145 - Punchy Cote 145 - Howard Adams 145 - Bourbon Allen Jr. 144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton 144 - Wesley McGee 142 - Cotton Simson 138 - Dave McBean 138 - Martin Gwaltney 137 - Mark Krosser 137 - Johnny Swinson 137 - Carpenter Erickson 137 - Joe Helton 136 - Bowie Castellon 135 - Ken Zinn 134 - Otto Kahle 134 - Scott Fenner 133 - Jassen Nelson 131 - Remmy Paul 131 - Luke Riley 131 - Tobe Palmer 129 - David Wiskersham 128 - Brad De la Garza 125 - Adam Sardina 125 - Grady Ingram 124 - Bourbon Allen 124 - Art Booth 121 - Ahrend Nagel 120 - Terry Schukraft 116 - John Nolting 116 - Hal Andrew 115 - Mark Ponfick |
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12-24-2007, 06:14 PM
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 Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35 210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA 3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP ERA+: 108 Murphy Award: NONE ROY Award: 1949 All Pros: 1952, 1955 Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1983  Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46 245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA 3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP ERA+: 112 Murphy Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE All Pros: 1957 Pennants: NONE World Championships: NONE WS Record: N/A No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: Wins 1 Career Top 25: K's (10) Final Year on Ballot: 1985  Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964 214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA 3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP ERA+: 124 Murphy Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963 WS MVP: 1957, 1959 All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960 Pennants: 1957, 1959 World Championships: 1957, 1959 WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: SHO 2, Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986  Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968 100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA 1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV ERA+: N/A Murphy Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963 World Championships: 1951, 1958 WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV Led League in: SV 6, G 1 Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1) Final Year on Ballot: 1988  Brock Putnam, Last Season: 1971 187-106, 63.8%, 2.94 ERA 2869.7 IP, 601 BB, 1636 K, 180 CG, 36 SHO, 1.16 WHIP ERA+: 134 Murphy Award: 1960 ROY Award: 1960 GG Award: NONE All Pros: 1960, 1962, 1964 Pennants: 1960, 1961, 1962 World Championships: 1961, 1962 WS Record: 3-0, 2.92 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: W 1, IP 1, SHO 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 NEW  John Patterson, Last Season: 1972 121-73, 62.4%, 2.68 ERA 1301.3 IP, 192 BB, 872 K, 339 SV ERA+: N/A Murphy Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: 1959, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965; 1960s All Decade Team Divisions: 1969, 1970, 1971 Pennants: 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1968, 1970, 1971 World Championships: 1955, 1963 Post Season Record: 4-1, 2.19 ERA, 1 SV Led League in: SV 6, G 5 Career Top 25: SV (2), Appearances (2), Relief Innings (2) Final Year on Ballot: 1992  Louis Schmit, Last Season: 1972 244-178, 57.8%, 3.47 ERA 4007.0 IP, 1523 BB, 3528 K, 112 CG, 35 SHO, 1.20 WHIP ERA+: 118 Murphy Award: 1964, 1966 ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: 1964 All Pros: 1964, 1966 Divisions: 1969 Pennants: 1964, 1965 World Championships: 1964 Post Season Record: 3-2, 3.69 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, W 2, W% 1, SHO 2, K 1 Career Top 25: K (7) Final Year on Ballot: 1992 |
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12-24-2007, 07:34 PM
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Johnson Noel Joyce Arbour Vamos Thomas Lawrence Ulrich Granger
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12-28-2007, 01:07 PM
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Thomas B Johnson Tjeenk-Willink Makris Putnam Patterson Granger (I can't justify one without the other. Yes Patterson was better but Granger laid the way for Patterson) |
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12-31-2007, 04:43 PM
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Makris Putnam Lawrence Vamos Ulrich
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