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Originally Posted by metsgeek

Gotta keep you on your toes.....Fontana's the closest thing that we've had to Ruth (until Grimaldi, of course). IMHO Colfax isn't as much of an icon as Fontana, and I'm voting for icons first. I personally can't believe more people haven't voted for Shifman. He dominated during the deadball era.

If I wasn't such a homer I would have voted Shifman.

[NCBeachBum]

Originally Posted by metsgeek

Gotta keep you on your toes.....Fontana's the closest thing that we've had to Ruth (until Grimaldi, of course). IMHO Colfax isn't as much of an icon as Fontana, and I'm voting for icons first. I personally can't believe more people haven't voted for Shifman. He dominated during the deadball era.

I voted for Shifman in prior ballots, and will do so again after this one (probably in the very next one). This one just ended up so crowded that I had to leave some deserving candidates off.

That said... Shifman really should have gone in before now, and not even be on the ballot at this point.

[metsgeek]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

I just really dislike Fontana - he was nothing more than Dave Kingman, 50 years earlier.

Grimaldi will probably end up the closest thing to Ruth, but calling Fontana Kingman is wrong as well. He's our career HR leader! 61 HR in 1932. His peak seasons are light years better than Kingmans' ever were. Unfortunately he was a lot more inconsistent than Kingman ever was.

Fontana: .253/.324/.500 374 2b, 152 3b, 582 HR, 1992 RBI, 1782 Runs

Kingman: .236/.302/.478 240 2b, 25 3b, 442 HR, 1210 RBI, 1575 Runs

Of course they're in different eras, against fictional players as opposed to a larger pool of actual players, but comparing him to Kingman is just as off as you say my comparing him to Ruth is. I was focusing only on HR. Probably myopic, but using OPS+ for the 1948 HOF ballot is IMHO anachronistic.

Regardless, he belongs in the HOF. I doubt you'd find anyone here who would say that Kingman belongs there.

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by metsgeek

Grimaldi will probably end up the closest thing to Ruth, but calling Fontana Kingman is wrong as well. He's our career HR leader! 61 HR in 1932. His peak seasons are light years better than Kingmans' ever were. Unfortunately he was a lot more inconsistent than Kingman ever was.

I think there's just no point in really trying to compare anyone to Ruth. In OOTP, in the leagues I've seen, there tends to not be hitters as good as in real life. In PBRL, the highest career OPS+ ever is 164. Babe Ruth was at 207. Ted Williams was 191. Gehrig was 179. Bonds was 182. Hornsby was 175. Mantle 172.

We just don't have anyone like that.

Originally Posted by metsgeek

Of course they're in different eras, against fictional players as opposed to a larger pool of actual players, but comparing him to Kingman is just as off as you say my comparing him to Ruth is. I was focusing only on HR. Probably myopic, but using OPS+ for the 1948 HOF ballot is IMHO anachronistic.

Well, that's just not fair. Ruth's OPS+ was 207. Kingman's was 115. Fontana is *much* more similar to Kingman than to Ruth. I really don't think they are that different. Also, keep in mind that Fontana started at 17, Kingman at 22, and Fontana had his career extended by bad wartime competition.

I actually think they are really similar. The 1920s and 30s, when Fontana played, was great for hitters, so his raw stats look better.

Originally Posted by metsgeek

Regardless, he belongs in the HOF. I doubt you'd find anyone here who would say that Kingman belongs there.

Of course Kingman doesn't belong. But I, personally, don't think Fontana does either.

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Bolan
Houlihan
FONTANA
Bones
Brubaker
Murphy
Deal

Drumheller
Herring
Schultz

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I have the hottest avatar......just thought I'd mention that...

Bones
Brubaker
Colfax
Deal
Fontana
Houlihan
Murphy
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Drumheller
Herring
Paladin

[fhomess]

Houlihan
Bolan
Bones

Schultz
Herring
Drumheller

[burnstuff]

Colfax
Brunckhorst
Guthrie
Houlihan
Bones

Drumheller
Brent
Saint
Huxley
Rondthaler

[THE GUT]

Shifman
Colfax
Bolan
Murphy
Houlihan
Fontana
Schultz
Drumheller
Paladin
Herring

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[Syd Thrift]

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The results are in and we have 4 new Hall of Famers:

Houlihan		100.0%
Drumheller		100.0%
Herring			86.7%
Bolan			80.0%
Schultz			80.0%
Colfax			66.7%
Brubaker		60.0%
Bones			53.3%
Fontana 		46.7%
Murphy			46.7%
Paladin			33.3%
Blake			26.7%
Deal			20.0%
Shifman			20.0%
Breslin			13.3%
Brunckhorst		13.3%
Guthrie			13.3%
Deutsch			6.7&
Lassiter		6.7%
Flagg			6.7%
Burlingame		6.7%		
Summers			6.7%
Boru			6.7%
Saint			6.7%
Huxley			6.7%
Rondthaler		6.7%
Brent			6.7%
Roepe			6.7%

The following players did not receive 5% of the vote or any votes at all and will be kicked aside to the Veteran's Committee.

Julius Coltrane
Sully McTeague
Bowler Channing
John Fosdick
Tippy Cavanaugh
Marion Morrison
Gil Greatrex
Cal Dupree
Dolph Schlitzer
Willie Wozniak
Baron von Heidelberg
Urban Gaylord
Brewster Jennings
Arthur Deck
Rocco Siffredi
Gary Braunbeck
Hiro Spiropolous

Thanks for voting!