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Old 05-02-2009, 08:49 AM   #301 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback Jeff. I pretty much agree with you on the 4 players.

I just noticed that I forgot to post my projected record for this season. I'm at the All Star break at 45-55, so obviously I realize I'm probably not going to break .500. So I'll say 70 wins.
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1947 Season Recap:

Final 1947 Standings:


1947 New York Yankees Leader & Rankings:


1947 Year In Review: Attention Yankee fans: If anyone finds Joe DiMaggio's bat, please return it to the Yankees equipment manager. Thank you.

No excuses this year. Joe DiMaggio stunk it up big time. He struggled to hit .250 most of the year and didn't hit his 10th homer until July 16th. The only explanation I could come up with is that he had very little protection in the lineup, so the transactions I made were to try to get him some. He did play better in August and September.

As for the rest of the team, they did play better in the 2nd half as I expected, and managed to finish near the .500 mark. All in all a promising season.

My decision to play the kids in AAA paid off for the most part. Doby hit .304 in AAA, and when I needed him in September he batted .260 in New York. Minnie Minoso batted .286 with 10 homers and 50 RBI in AAA. The results weren't quite as good for Nellie Fox & Yogi Berra. Fox batted .261 in AAA, and Yogi struggled all season and finished with a .239 average. They'll probably both need another year of seasoning. Whitey Ford, Don Larsen, and Carl Erskine all showed promise in the minors and are getting closer to being MLB ready.

Around The League: No "super human" efforts to report this year. Ron Northey & Rudy York both cracked 125 RBIs in the AL, while Josh Gibson put up another very good year in the NL, but it wasn't Gibson-esque. He finished 2nd in the NL in batting, 2nd in homers (behind Willard Brown who hit 31), and led the NL in RBI (.321, 30, 99). No pitchers broke 20 wins nor 200 strikeouts. Brooklyn's Hal Newhouser had probably the best season by a pitcher, going 16-10 and leading the NL in strikeouts (178) and ERA (2.50)

1947 All Star Yankees: P Sonny Dixon (1st AS game), CF Dom DiMaggio (2nd AS game)

1947 New York Yankees Transactions:

June 2, 1947: Traded RF Dick Kokos, P Dave Ferriss, & 2B Gene Markland to the New York Giants for P Hank Wyse & 2B Glenn Crawford
This was my first attempt at getting Joe some help. Crawford wasn't hitting for power, but he was hitting .325 which was better then anyone I had at 2nd base. And I got Hank Wyse back mainly because I had to include Ferriss in the deal. If Wyse ever figures out his potentials, he'll be a really good pitcher.

July 11, 1947: Traded RF Carl Furillo, LF Luke Easter, 1B Paul Gillespie, & CF Chet Ross to the Cincinnati Reds for RF Eddie Lukon, 1B Eddie Robinson (not the football coach), RF Don Mueller, and RP Dick Donovan
My second attempt at getting protection for DiMaggio. I hated to give up Furillo & Gillespie, but Lukon, Robinson, and Mueller are all better hitters with more power. Lukon hit 8 homers after the trade, & Robinson hit 9. Joltin' Joe hit 10 of his 16 total homers after the deal.

September 4, 1947: Signed P Bob Feller to a 3 year extension @ $400,000 per season (year 3 is a mutual option)
Feller finally agreed to talk about a new contract on September 1st. He gave me a pretty good discount to stay here, which is why the deal is so short and has the option clause.

World Series Matchup: It's the 3rd straight World Series for the Red Sox, and their 5th in 6 years. They've been in 9 World Series now and they're after championship #5. For the Cardinals it's the first trip to the Fall Classic since 1913! They're appearing in their 4th World Series and they're after title #2.

The teams split the first 2 games in Boston and the series was tied at 1 game each as it headed to St. Louis. The Red Sox won games 3 and 4 to take a commanding lead in the series, but the Cards extended the series by winning game 5. The series goes back to Boston with the Sox up 3 games to 2. The Cards kept fighting, winning game 6 by a 9-6 score and the series went to a 7th and deciding game for the first time since 1941. The Cards completed the improbable comeback with a 6-3 win in game 7, led by Ralph Kiner's 2 home runs. The St. Louis Cardinals win their 2nd World Series!
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Careful, this is turning into a Red Sox dynasty

Good luck turning things back the Yankees' way ... At least you'll have another decent draft pick...
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Well, it's a middle of the round pick and this draft is very weak, so not too much to get excited about.
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1947 Offseason "Veteran's Committee" Hall Of Fame Ballot: A few more players for your consideration

SP Whit Wyatt:
The 40 year old Wyatt retires after pitching 18 seasons for the Cubs, White Sox, and Indians. His career record is 210-180 with a 3.88 ERA and a 1.39 WHIP. Opponents batted .269 against Whit and his career VORP was 382.6. Wyatt retires with 1,693 strikeouts, and he struck out at least 100 batters 10 times, including 6 straight years from 1937 to 1942. Remember, this is not a big strikeout era, despite a few guys who struck out tons like Paige & Feller. The rest of the league put up numbers similar to Wyatt. He won 20+ games twice, and over that same 6 year period he won 79 games. Whit Wyatt won the Most Valuable Pitcher award in 1946, was a 4 time All Star, and won a World Series with the Cubs in 1935.

SP Lon Warneke: "The Arkansas Hummingbird" pitched 17 seasons for the Cubs, Pirates, White Sox, and Cards. His lifetime record was 234-223 with a 3.92 ERA. His career WHIP was 1.34 and his VORP was 479.7. Oppenents batted .267 against Warneke and he struck out 1,699. He broke 100 strikeouts 8 times, including 6 straight years from 1932 to 1937. Lon was a 3 time All Star and he won 2 World Series rings, including being a teammate of Whit Wyatt on the 1935 Cubs.

RF Ben Chapman: The 39 year old Right Fielder retired after 18 seasons with the Yankees, Tigers, Cubs, & Dodgers. He had 2,655 hits in 9,282 at bats for a lifetime .286 average. He had 482 doubles, 189 triples, 151 homers, 1,268 RBI, and he scored 1,479 runs. He drew 1,186 walks to help him earn a .367 lifetime OBP. His SLG was .427, his OPS was .794, and his VORP was 434.2. He was also an accomplished base stealer, posting 20+ steals 10 times and finishing with 366 stolen bases. Chapman won 2 Gold Gloves, was a 4 time All Star, and won 2 World Series rings with the Yankees. Chapman ranks 11th all time in triples and 16th in stolen bases.
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I say none of those should be hall of famers
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Offseason Recap & 1948 Season Preview:

Hall Of Fame Inductees: P Ray Brown, P Paul Derringer, C Bill DeLancey, P Wes Ferrell

We discussed Brown, Derringer, and DeLancey earlier and their stats are shown in their veteran's committee ballot. Thanks to those who voted.

Wes Ferrell was one of the top pitchers of any era. Ferrell played 19 seasons for the Reds, Phillies, Giants, and Senators, but he spent the first 9 years of his career as a Cincinnati Red. His career record was 310-256 with a 3.54 ERA. He struck out 2,373 batters, and broke 100 strikeouts in a season 15 times. Ferrell's WHIP was 1.35 and opponents batted .266 against him. He won 20+ games 5 times and posted at least 15 wins 13 times. His career VORP was 835.1, which is #2 all time for pitchers behind Chief Bender. Ferrell ranks 4th all time in wins, 4th in complete games, 5th in shutouts, 2nd in innings pitched, and 5th in strikeouts. Ferrell won Pitcher of the Year twice, was a 4 time All Star, and won 1 World Series ring with the Reds in 1933.

Yankees 1947 Award Winners: Joe DiMaggio won his 1st career Gold Glove. Dom DiMaggio won his 3rd career Gold Glove.
At least Joe did something right last year.

Draft Recap: A few well known names in this draft. Robin Roberts went to the Giants 1st overall. Del Crandall was taken by the Phillies, as was Jimmy Piersall. I was quite surprised to see a HoF reliever fall to 9th in the draft, so I was happy to take knuckleball specialist Hoyt Willhelm at that spot.

Notable Offseason Transactions: I didn't really feel like there were any moves I needed to make, but I ended up making a couple just to shake things up a bit.

October 10, 1947: OF Dom DiMaggio opts out of his contract
This was fine by me. Minnie Minoso seems ready now for the big time. He'll take over in LF and Dom's brother Joe will move to center.

November 26, 1947: Traded P Karl Drews, P Barney Schultz, P Art Houtteman, and $3,500 cash to the Detroit Tigers for P Joe Page and P Hal Erickson
I hated to trade Drews as he's turned into a very good pitcher, but I felt Page was a better option then Drews. Schultz was a very promising young reliever, and Houtteman had proven to be a good long reliever/spot starter, but I think Erickson can do a better job in a similar role.

Spring Training Injuries: Lum Harris, Whitey Ford, and Ray Martin all sustained minor injuries during the spring and have recovered.

Strengths: With Feller, Page, Feldman, & the bullpen we should have a very solid pitching staff. We have one of top outfielders in the game, if he remembers how to hit this year.

Weaknesses: Larry Doby & Minnie Minoso earned spots on the big team, but they join a very young team that will probably make a lot of mistakes.

Projected Record: We won 76 games last year. I think we're a little better and we'll finish above .500 for the first time since 1942. I'll say 80 wins.

1948 Budget: $2,106,619 (#5 in the league)

1948 Payroll: $1,314,662 (#14 in the league)
Still a low payroll because of how young this team is.


1948 Opening Day Roster:
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I can't cast a vote for any of the three nominees either this year, Wyatt, Warneke & Chapman, though they do sound like a good legal firm.

Warneke's average won-loss record per season pitched is only 14-13 and Wyatt is only 12-10, not the makings of great HOF pitchers.

If Chapman had been a middle infielder or a catcher with those offensive numbers I'd like his chances a lot better, but for an outfielder, they indicate someone who played a long time more so than someone who played a long time with HOF stats. 11th in triples and 16th in stolen bases would not be HOF stats for an outfielder, I don't think.
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Agreed with the others.

I could POSSIBLY be talked into Chapman because of his gold gloves, all star appearances, general longevity and .360-odd OBA, but since he's an outfielder (vs. a more difficult position) I'm leaning against him. The pitchers are no brainers - no.
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1948 Season Recap:

Final 1948 Standings:


1948 New York Yankees Leaders & Rankings:


1948 Year In Review: Well, you can see a few things from the above screenshots. It was a more "Yankee-like" season with 87 wins and we're clearly on the upswing again. Joe DiMaggio's bat returned this season, although injuries in the 2nd half limited his late season production. And speaking of injuries, it was the worst season for injuries since I started this franchise, and by the end of the year I had half a MLB team and half a AAA/AA team.

The year started out great and the Yankees were in pennant contention through the first 2 months, despite early injuries to guys like Joe Page & Larry Doby. By the end of July we were 4 games out and I thought wed had a shot at making a run at the Indians. But DiMaggio went down for 6 weeks on July 30th, then Don Mueller was lost for 3 weeks on August 4th, then Doc Brown (a young SS I had acquired) was lost for 8 months on August 5th, and as the injuries piled up, so did the losses. The Yankees 13-17 record in August all but ended our chances of another World Series berth.

And yet with all the injuries there were many promising signs. Nellie Fox, Larry Doby, Yogi Berra, and Minnie Minoso all spent a large portion of the year with the big club, and for the most part played very well. Bob Feller was as good as always, winning 19 games, and led the majors in strikeouts. The bullpen played great all year, putting up the best bullpen ERA in the American League.

I just have to wonder what would have been if we hadn't suffered all the injuries. From opening day on the Yankees sustained 13 injuries to 11 different players. Plus in the minors the biggest injury of all occurred when Don Larsen suffered a 12 month injury on August 1st. So in the end I'd have to say I'm happy to see that the team overcame all that adversity, contended for the playoffs, and ultimately won more games then I had predicted.

Around The League: The big news in the majors was the Red Sox Rudy York winning the 12th batting triple crown in league history. He hit .334 with 44 homers and 136 RBI. The only other news of real interest was that A's relief pitcher Andy Karl broke an 18 year old MLB record by appearing in 87 games. That's 56% of his team's games. He went 8-4 with 11 saves and a 2.48 ERA in 145 innings pitched. Pretty impressive considering the workload.

1948 All Star Yankees: P Bob Feller (4th AS game), P Harry Feldman (1st AS game), P Hal Erickson (2nd AS game), 20 year old P Ken Lehman (1st AS game), RF Eddie Lukon (1st AS game), CF Joe DiMaggio (8th AS game)

1948 New York Yankees Transactions:

July 18, 1948:
Traded RF Eddie Lukon, SS Willie Jones, C Frankie Hayes, P Harry Feldman, P Woody Main, P Frank Seward, C Jim Devlin, and $25,000 cash to the Philadelphia Athletics for RF Andy Pafko, SS Doc Brown, & P Bobby Shantz
This trade was precipitated by a few factors. First, I still felt like DiMaggio needed more protection in the lineup, and Pafko was among the league leaders in homers. Second, Pafko was an expiring contract as was Eddie Lukon, and I felt Lukon's demands were outrageous. Third, I wanted Brown and Shantz. I think Brown will be a better SS then Willie Jones, and Bobby Shantz should become a very good pitcher.

What I didn't know when I made that deal was how much Andy Pafko was demanding to sign a new contract. This guy wanted $780,000+ when I had acquired him and there was no way in hell I was paying him that. I made a few offers, which he refused, and the bottom line was I wasn't paying him more the I was paying Joe DiMaggio as I didn't think he was worth it. He finally came around....

September 16, 1948: Signed RF Andy Pafko to a 5 year extension @ $420,000 per year
This was the same offer I had made him in early August, and it would have been my last offer. Glad he signed. He better keep producing or I'm stuck with dead weight.

World Series Matchup: It's the 8th World Series for the Cleveland franchise, and their 2nd appearance of the '40s. They're trying to win championship # 5. For the Cardinals it's their 2nd straight World Series and 5th in team history. They're looking for title # 4.

The Indians took the first 2 games at home and seemed to be in cruise control, winning 5-3 and 9-5. They completed the sweep in St. Louis, winning game 3 by a 3-2 score and game 4 by an 11-5 score. The Cleveland Indians win their 5th World Series!
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Here's another "Veteran's Committee" Hall of Fame ballot for you guys. I decided not to put Sewell, Broxton, Waner, or Hodapp into the HoF. The point about relievers just being failed starters carries a lot of weight. And while most of Sewell's stats are better then Broxton, Broxton has more saves. So if 1 doesn't get in, the other should either. As for Waner & Hodapp, I just feel that they had so many hits because of their longevity. If you look at the rest of their stats, they were pretty mediocre.

1946 Offseason "Veteran's Committee" Hall Of Fame Ballot:

C Bill DeLancey: You'll remember that Delancey was my starting catcher for the first 8 seasons of his career, and was only traded because I had gotten Gibson. The real Delancey only played parts of 4 seasons and retired due to contracting TB. In the dyansty DeLancey played 15 seasons for the Yankees, Braves, & Pirates. He had 2,057 hits in 7,275 at bats for a lifetime .283 average. He had 391 doubles, 73 triples, 213 homers, 1,212 RBI, and scored 1,040 runs. He drew 806 walks helping him post a career .353 OBP. His lifetime SLG was .444, his OPS was .797, and his VORP was 451. DeLancey won 6 Gold Gloves, was a 9 time All Star, and won 4 World Series rings. He retires at just 35 years old.

SP Ray Brown: The 38 year old retires after 14 seasons for the Braves, Cards, and Giants. He spent his last 10+ years as a New York Giant. Brown posted a lifetime 231-149 record with a 3.25 ERA and a 1.23 WHIP. He won 20+ games 3 times, and had double digit wins every year of his career except the last. He finished with 1,976 strikeouts and opponents batted .254 against him. His career VORP was 671.6. Brown won Pitcher of the Year in 1937, a Gold Glove in 1934, and was selected to 5 All Star games. He won a World Series ring in 1937 with the Giants. At the time of his retirement Brown has the best winning percentage of any qualified pitcher on record with a .608 career %. He also ranks 10th all time in strikeouts, 9th in VORP, & 9th in WHIP.

SP Paul Derringer: Duke Derringer played 16 seasons, all for the Phillies except his last which was with the Braves. He has a lifetime 247-219 record with a 3.74 ERA. He had 1,891 strikeouts and a career 1.27 WHIP. His lifetime VORP was 733.8. Oppoenents batted .272 against him. Duke won 20+ games 4 times. He won Pitcher of the Year twice and was a 7 time All Star. He earned 3 World Series rings in Philly. He's currently 12th all time in wins, 12th in innings pitched, 14th in strikeouts, and 12th in WHIP.

RP Boom Boom Beck: Gotta love the name. Boom Boom played 21 seasons for the Yankees, Giants, and Red Sox, spending 18 of those years in a Giants uniform. He had a career 84-90 record with 185 saves and a 3.76 ERA. His WHIP was 1.39 and his VORP was 198.2. Opponents batted .269 against him. He was a 5 time All Star and won 3 World Series rings. Beck currently ranks 2nd all time in saves.

DeLancey - no. Not enough hits for my tastes.

Brown - yes, although I would have liked a slightly higher win total.

Derringer - no. Although his VORP is higher than Brown's, he also had spent more time than Brown. His ERA is too high.

Beck - no. Boom Boom is bye bye. He got his name because of his bad temper.
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1947 Offseason "Veteran's Committee" Hall Of Fame Ballot: A few more players for your consideration

SP Whit Wyatt:
The 40 year old Wyatt retires after pitching 18 seasons for the Cubs, White Sox, and Indians. His career record is 210-180 with a 3.88 ERA and a 1.39 WHIP. Opponents batted .269 against Whit and his career VORP was 382.6. Wyatt retires with 1,693 strikeouts, and he struck out at least 100 batters 10 times, including 6 straight years from 1937 to 1942. Remember, this is not a big strikeout era, despite a few guys who struck out tons like Paige & Feller. The rest of the league put up numbers similar to Wyatt. He won 20+ games twice, and over that same 6 year period he won 79 games. Whit Wyatt won the Most Valuable Pitcher award in 1946, was a 4 time All Star, and won a World Series with the Cubs in 1935.

SP Lon Warneke: "The Arkansas Hummingbird" pitched 17 seasons for the Cubs, Pirates, White Sox, and Cards. His lifetime record was 234-223 with a 3.92 ERA. His career WHIP was 1.34 and his VORP was 479.7. Oppenents batted .267 against Warneke and he struck out 1,699. He broke 100 strikeouts 8 times, including 6 straight years from 1932 to 1937. Lon was a 3 time All Star and he won 2 World Series rings, including being a teammate of Whit Wyatt on the 1935 Cubs.

RF Ben Chapman: The 39 year old Right Fielder retired after 18 seasons with the Yankees, Tigers, Cubs, & Dodgers. He had 2,655 hits in 9,282 at bats for a lifetime .286 average. He had 482 doubles, 189 triples, 151 homers, 1,268 RBI, and he scored 1,479 runs. He drew 1,186 walks to help him earn a .367 lifetime OBP. His SLG was .427, his OPS was .794, and his VORP was 434.2. He was also an accomplished base stealer, posting 20+ steals 10 times and finishing with 366 stolen bases. Chapman won 2 Gold Gloves, was a 4 time All Star, and won 2 World Series rings with the Yankees. Chapman ranks 11th all time in triples and 16th in stolen bases.
Wyatt and Warneke - no. ERA's are too high

Chapman would get a vote only due to number of hits and lifetime average.
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Offseason Recap & 1949 Season Preview:

Hall Of Fame Inductees: P Satchel Paige
What can I say that we don't already know? Satchel was one of the best pitchers in baseball history. At the end of his career he even out-performed my expectations. Just a reminder about his rankings in my dynasty, that the first 20 years worth of stats were lost.

Satchel played 20 seasons for the White Sox, Yankees, Senators, Cards, & Reds. He retires with a 326-239 record and a 3.44 ERA. He struck out 3,166 batters and is currently the only pitcher on record in the 3,000 strikeout club. His career WHIP was 1.21 and his VORP was 845.2. Satchel won 20+ games 5 times and 15 or more games 13 times. He struck out 200+ batters once, and had over 150 strikeouts in a season 13 times. He won Most Valuable Pitcher 3 times, was a 6 time All Star, and won 3 straight World Series rings with the Yankees.

Yankees 1948 Award Winners: P Bob Feller won his 1st Most Valuable Pitcher award. OF Joe DiMaggio won his 2nd Gold Glove.

Draft Recap: 2 of the best players in major league history in this draft, plus another HoF player and a famous Yankee. The Mick! The Say Hey Kid! Mickey Mantle went 1st overall to the St. Louis Browns (more on him soon). Willie Mays went 3rd overall to Washington. Eddie Matthews went 6th overall to Pittsburgh. And I was quite pleased that famous Yankee Elston Howard fell to the Yankees at 13th. The only other famous name was an outfielder who would later become a great manager. Whitey Herzog was taken at the end of the 2nd round by Cleveland.

Notable Offseason Transactions: If you remember when I started this dynasty I wrote that I would do anything I had to in order to bring certain famous Yankees to the Bronx. My favorite player of all time, Mickey Mantle was one of them....

November 3, 1948: Traded P Carl Erskine, P Bobby Shantz, 3B Larry Doby, OF Andy Pafko, and $140,000 in cash to the St. Louis Browns for OF Mickey Mantle
So I traded 4 All Star caliber players and a boat load of cash to get Mantle. I made the Browns instant contenders and hurt my own chances at contending this year. But it's The Mick! There was no way I was going to let Mickey Mantle take 1 at bat for another team!

November 29, 1948: Signed free agent 3B Johnny Lipon to a 2 year deal worth $50,000 (season 2 is a mutual option)
The Mantle trade opened some holes in the team. This is the first signing to fill them. Lipon is a gold glove caliber infielder with a halfway decent bat.

March 21, 1949: Signed free agent pitchers Bill Lohrman & Al Javery to 1 year deals
Adding depth to the rotation since I traded away Erskine & Shantz.

April 4, 1949: Signed CF Joe DiMaggio to a 3 year extension worth $1,425,000 dollars
While I have been a bit disappointed by Joe's lack of production, I still intend to have him finish his career in pinstripes.

April 6, 1949: Signed P Hal Erickson to a 3 year extension worth $510,000 (year 3 is a mutual option)
Erickson was great last year. Just hoping he continues to pitch well.

Spring Training Injuries: 6 Yankees sufferred minor injuries during the spring. The worst was Nellie Fox who went down for 7 weeks on April 12th with a knee injury.

Strengths: I think we still have a good pitching staff and a pretty good outfield.

Weaknesses: No doubt we're not as good as we would have been without the Mantle trade. Losing Pafko & Doby hurts our power production, so I'm worried about DiMaggio's bat again.

Projected Record: This is a tough one for me to judge. I don't think we'll win 87 like last year. I'll say 80 wins to finish just above .500.

1949 Budget: $2,574,619 (#2 in the league)

1949 Payroll: $1,438,902 (#13 in the league)
Obviously losing Pafko's big contract helped us financially.


1949 Opening Day Roster:

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I forgot to list Satchel's rankings. Amongst players on record, Paige is 2nd all time in wins (1 win behind Hod Eller), 12th in games, 1st in games started, 9th in shutouts, 2nd in innings pitched, 1st in strikeouts, 2nd in VORP, & 7th in WHIP.

Also, since he was a big part of this dynasty the last few years, Rest In Peace Dom DiMaggio....
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1948 Offseason "Veteran's Committee" Hall Of Fame Ballot: I forgot to post this yesterday. Quite a few "borderline" players on this ballot.

IF/OF Buck Leonard: Buck played 19 seasons for 8 different teams, making him one of the most traveled players in the game. He was also one of the most versatile position players, having played significant time at every position on the diamond except pitcher, center field, and 2nd base. Leonard had 2,142 hits in 8,735 at bats for a lifetime .245 average. He had 453 doubles, 145 triples, 185 homers, 1,172 RBI, and scored 1,273 runs. Leonard drew 1,430 walks to help him post a career .350 OBP. His SLG was .394, his OPS was .744, and his VORP was 243.1. Buck won 2 Gold Gloves, was an All Star in 1933, and won a World Series in 1933 with the Reds. At the time of his retirement Buck ranks 12th all time in walks. His low average will probably kill him, but let's see what you guys say.

SS Odel Hale: The 40 year old retires after 17 seasons with the White Sox and Phillies. He had 2,427 hits in 8,706 at bats for a lifetime .279 average. He had 491 doubles, 107 triples, 164 homers, 1,173 RBI, and scored 1,247 runs. Hale drew 991 walks for a lifetime .352 OBP. His SLG was .416, his OPS was .768, and his VORP was 402.9. Hale won a Gold Glove in 1942, was a 5 time all star, and won 2 World Series rings in Philly.

SS Red Kress: Red retires after 22 seasons with 9 different teams. Hope he had good luggage. Kress had 2,410 hits in 8,919 at bats for a lifetime .270 average. He had 487 doubles, 154 triples, 160 homers, 1,138 RBI, and scored 1,235 runs. He drew 879 walks to help post a career .336 OBP. His SLG was .413, his OPS was .749, and his VORP was 307.7. Kress won 3 Gold Gloves, was a 2 time All Star, and I believe he's the only player so far to win 3 World Series rings with 3 different teams.

OF Joe Vosmik: I was surprised Vosmik retired. At 38 he's still a decent player. But he did, and in his 19 year career he played for just 2 teams. He spent 17 seasons in Pittsburgh, then finished his career with the Giants. Vosmik had 2,314 hits in 7,846 at bats for a lifetime .295 average. He had 490 doubles, 130 triples, 93 homers, 1,093 RBI, and he scored 1,127 runs. He drew 643 walks for a career .348 OBP. His SLG was .426, his OPS was .774, and his VORP was 227.1. Vosmik won 2 Gold Gloves, was a 6 time all star, and won a World Series in 1930 with the Pirates.

3B Woody English: The 43 year old spent 22 seasons on 9 different teams. He had 2,409 hits in 8,378 at bats for a career .288 average. He had 357 doubles, 67 triples, 49 homers, 904 RBI, and he scored 1,115 runs. He drew 634 walks to help him post a lifetime .338 OBP. His SLG was .364, his OPS was .701, and his VORP was 164.7. English won 2 Gold Gloves, and he won 2 World Series rings.

SP Al Hollingsworth: "Boots" played just 14 seasons, but he was good enough to post a career 203-140 record with a 3.46 ERA. His WHIP was 1.40 and he struck out 1,203 batters. He won 15+ games each of the first 10 years of his career, and he won 20+ twice. Opponents batted .257 against him and his career VORP was 477.6. Hollingsworth won Most Valuable Pitcher in 1944, was a 5 time all star, but he never won a World Series. Hollingsworth is currently 11th all time in winning percentage.

I'm guessing you guys will say none of these players are HoF caliber. If I had to pick one, it would be Hollingsworth because of how good he was despite the short career. If he had played 20 seasons, how many would he have won?

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again this time i say none
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Mickey Mantle went 1st overall to the St. Louis Browns (more on him soon). Willie Mays went 3rd overall to Washington.
Which begs the question, who the hell went ahead of Mays at #2?
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I'm surprised Buck Leonard didn't have a more productive career, one of the all-time great players from the Negro Leagues, but it's not the first time a great player has been disappointing in OOTP. I'm struck by how close some of the career cumulative stats parallel other players' career stats - Hale is close to Leonard, Kress is close to Hale, Vosmik is close to Kress, English is close to Vosmik.

I absolutely have to vote for Odel Hale - the fact that his last name is the same as mine has nothing to do with it!

Actually, I probably couldn't vote any of the players in, but I wish I could. So rather than vote all of the every-day players in because their stats are so similar, I suppose I can't vote for any of them.
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Which begs the question, who the hell went ahead of Mays at #2?
Here's the draft order from Captain Carl's awesome dynasty for comparison. Mays did go 2nd in that one, but pitchers went the next several picks. Still no excuse to pass on one of the top 5 players in history, but maybe that team really needed a pitcher.

3rd-Bob Friend,p
4th-Hal Brown,p
5th-Chet Nichols,p
6th-Tom Morgan,p
7th-Leo Kiely,p

I do love this one too as I've returned from a long hiatus from the boards. Interesting that you "handicap" (trading for HOF players can't be a ruled a true handicap) yourself by going after the legendary Yankee players to the immediate detriment of your team. Also, you didn't copy the real Yankees who just ripped off the Western teams by abusing trading in the game. You've almost made me able to root for the Yankees.
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Glad you guys are enjoying reading my dynasty.

Jeff: Don't confuse Buck O'Neill with Buck Leonard. Both were very good Negro League players, but O'Neill is certainly the more famous. In my dynasty O'Neill was stuck in the minors for half his career, and although he did win a couple of gold gloves once he made it to the big leagues, he just barely broke 1,300 hits. He did play part of the 1944 season for the Yankees.

Regarding who was picked ahead of Mays, it was indeed a pitcher named Stu Miller. After Mays it was Friend, P Gordon Jones, and then Eddie Matthews.
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