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12-28-2014, 04:22 PM | #1 |
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300 Years and Counting...a retrospective dynasty
So I've had this league for going on 307 seasons, I forked the league onto my laptop and was able to get to 300 years plus by doing a lot of simming and keeping tabs.
Obviously tons of guys have gone through the league over these years, but I've never done a full accounting of the history of the league. I know some of the main stars, but what about the guys who I don't remember or haven't seen? I'd really like to go through the Hall of Fame, as well as looking at players who maybe missed the Hall and talk about their careers briefly, look at the record breakers, the guys who didn't make it but had amazing seasons and so forth. Would love to just reflect on the history of the league -- and maybe -- the franchises that compose the league, too. The hope is that you'll learn more about the league, too and it'll connect you to this vibrant real-life world that I've built over about seven calendar years and counting. |
12-28-2014, 04:30 PM | #2 | |||
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MLB Hall of Fame day made me want to get in here and really investigate the HOF of my league.
In this, the 310th season of my leagues we now have 4 major league associations: Quote:
What we'll do here is reflect on the HOF, though players ultimately are elected to the centralized Hall of Fame and each league will have their own "wing" of sorts. We're going to use the Bill Simmons model as our guide. Our Hall of Fame will be located in Cincinnati where we have no team currently. We will post the inductees to the Hall of Fame in Tiers, though I can't always be faithful to that. How about instead, we'll just post guys and then post their tier. It can be a debate too, I'd especially enjoy that as we get into it -- or induct new guys -- if you'd chime in based on what you're seeing. Tier 1: "Borderline" Hall of Famers Tier 2: Legit Hall of Famers. Quote:
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Basically players who best in the world and who stay in our memories long after they've left. Tier 5: GOAT Greatest of all time. Period. Never more than 10% of the years of the league. So if we've got 310 years, there can never be more than 31 GOAT HOFers. I think we can reevaluate later whether guys can shift tiers, based on new information. I've actually begun -- in this season -- with suspensions for drugs (only drugs), because I'd be really curious if I'll evaluate those guys differently when their careers are done. I used to not want them because it was too much like real life, but now I'm super curious to see what that'll look like if someone we love or a player i really respect ends up getting suspended for PEDs and whether or not we'll view his career differently when it's over. My goal with this is to really pour over the history some. I sim so fast sometimes that it's hard to remember who was good and this is an exercise for me to really be able to look back, but also to see who has been here. That way if we go another 100 years, I have something to compare all of this to. So let's start. Last edited by darkcloud4579; 01-07-2015 at 12:33 AM. |
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12-29-2014, 12:03 AM | #3 |
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MASTER LIST OF HALL OF FAME
HONORABLE MENTION TIER 1 TIER 2 TIER 3 TIER 4 OF Parker Ashley (2062-86) TIER 5 OF Joe Peters (2042-74) Last edited by darkcloud4579; 01-07-2015 at 01:20 AM. |
12-29-2014, 01:40 PM | #6 |
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The Willie Mays Hall of Fame | Joe Blogs
I like this idea. After 300 years + of talent, you get a glut of talent and I just want to be able to sift through the all-time greats and come up with all-century teams and maybe a Tricentennial team at the end of all of it. I'm pondering expansion and other things, but right now, I think a dosage of exploring the history would be useful. Also I'd like to go through and retire the numbers of some players on teams. Some teams i've done it, but others have never been examined. Actually Bill Simmons concept of a leveled-HOF is better. ESPN.com: Page 2 : Pyramid scheme could really help Hall You rank guys based on where they slot, this makes room for all of the best players of an era to be enshrined. |
12-29-2014, 06:01 PM | #7 |
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I think a pyramid idea is interesting because I think it's easier in this league to isolate the Top 10 greatest players of all time over 300 years -- even including active players -- than it is to sort out the bottom half of the best players ever. So I think with any league like that, you want to hear of the elites or the best players that the league has to offer. So that'll be what we do first is to focus on those elite types, the ones that if you're gonna download the league file and play, that you should know about from the jump.
That said, the latest incarnation of the league setup has not been uploaded yet. I just made it, so...I haven't released it yet. I imagine I will someday, though. |
01-06-2015, 05:11 PM | #8 |
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Sidenote. Today being HOF day I'm thinking about this more. But in other news...there have only been two father-son teammates in baseball history. Brothers are more common, but I've never had a set of brothers on a team in my dynasty ever and I think it'd be interesting to arrange some pairs and see how that'd go.
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01-07-2015, 12:03 AM | #10 |
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First things first, let's take a look at the UPB wing of the Hall, since it's smaller and it's easier to manage. Plus all of the players are modern cases so it's easier.
The most tedious thing about this is that there is no easy way to mass export the player stat cards, so if there's a particular player that you're especially interested in besides the brief I post, then...you can let me know. Otherwise, I'm just going go for it. There are currently 25 Hall of Famers who have played part of their careers in the UPB since 2074 when that league was created. Unlike any of the other secondary major leagues, the UPB was a major league from the start and seeded largely from teams that came over from the D2D, which makes it the most legitimate of those alternative leagues, but we haven't gotten to a point yet where guys are say, spending their entire careers in secondary leagues so we need to begin evaluating their careers differently than others, but future HOF cases will necessitate that. Along the way, we might take a look at borderline cases who have not been inducted yet and have you help me decide whether they deserve enshrinement in Cincinnati. Let's take a look at our UPB inductees and figure out their tiers. For now, I think we'll consider the tiers fluid until I can start compiling a list of them. |
01-07-2015, 12:29 AM | #11 |
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PARKER ASHLEY, OF (2062-86)
Ashley only spent one year in the UPB and so I'm just going to evaluate him amongst the all-times everywhere. 17-time all-star, ROY award and 5-time MVP award winner. As of today: 5th all-time in WAR (184.7) 4th all-time in WPA (95.7) 6th all-time in VORP (1709.2) Had his number retired by both the Chicago Rouges and the Eau Claire Paws, where he split his ABA career, save for one year in Japan in the UPB. His hit total is good for 27th all-time, in case you saw that number and were thinking in modern MLB terms, but he's obviously a dream from the advanced metrics point of view. Having seen all of the all-time greats, I think he's just below that GOAT status, but if you're starting a team, you'd always take him unless there was a compelling player not to. So for that reason, he's Tier 4 to me. Last edited by darkcloud4579; 01-07-2015 at 12:52 AM. |
01-07-2015, 12:57 AM | #12 |
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JOE PETERS Turns out he was the greatest player in the history of the game. At a different time in this league, that might not have been the case, but because he came at a time when feeders were generating talent for the game, his unique skills made him above and beyond his competitors. He is he all-time leader in VORP, GAMES, RUNS, HITS, TOTAL BASES, SINGLES, HOME RUNS, RBI, WAR His number was #49 was retired by Baton Rogue, Baltimore and the Carolina Wrens. His #55 was retired by the Los Angeles Seraphs. 22-time MVP Rookie of the Year Award 27-time All-Star Code:
Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS OPS+ VORP WAR 2042 Baton Rouge - D2D 23 162 575 158 9 3 27 81 113 143 4 2 105 25 9 .275 .421 .442 .863 140 63.2 7.7 2043 Baton Rouge - D2D 24 163 550 188 20 6 34 89 135 186 3 4 53 19 3 .342 .507 .585 1.093 198 125.6 12.2 2044 Baton Rouge - D2D 25 163 557 220 31 6 39 117 144 166 1 7 22 28 5 .395 .529 .682 1.212 231 146.3 13.4 2045 Baton Rouge - D2D 26 162 582 223 28 8 42 145 165 158 4 5 25 25 3 .383 .514 .675 1.189 220 143.4 16.3 2046 Baton Rouge - D2D 27 162 600 241 51 6 61 187 189 170 2 3 27 18 4 .402 .533 .812 1.345 257 183.6 19.4 2047 Baton Rouge - D2D 28 68 250 99 10 4 24 64 65 59 0 5 9 9 2 .396 .503 .756 1.259 228 65.9 7.5 2048 Los Angeles - D2D 29 158 502 202 36 7 47 156 148 143 2 10 19 40 9 .402 .528 .783 1.311 236 156.7 13.8 2049 Los Angeles - D2D 30 192 691 283 45 8 67 204 207 189 2 9 56 42 13 .410 .532 .789 1.321 243 214.6 20.5 2050 Los Angeles - D2D 31 158 558 201 24 5 41 120 139 137 2 8 42 36 12 .360 .482 .642 1.124 199 120.4 12.3 2051 Los Angeles - D2D 32 158 559 222 30 7 42 127 149 140 3 9 33 35 14 .397 .513 .701 1.215 233 146.7 13.0 2052 Los Angeles - D2D 33 158 555 189 32 8 43 130 144 152 3 3 49 26 3 .341 .482 .659 1.142 209 126.6 12.2 2053 Chicago - D2D 34 87 313 103 14 2 19 51 63 80 1 1 19 16 4 .329 .466 .569 1.035 189 57.4 6.4 2053 Baltimore - D2D 34 71 253 94 19 1 15 53 56 51 0 2 17 11 2 .372 .474 .632 1.106 208 53.2 5.3 2053 Total - D2D 34 158 566 197 33 3 34 104 119 131 1 3 36 27 6 .348 .469 .597 1.067 0 110.6 11.7 2054 Baltimore - D2D 35 158 547 199 28 7 37 120 119 137 3 3 42 15 2 .364 .491 .644 1.135 209 125.1 13.2 2055 Baltimore - D2D 36 158 552 201 29 0 49 139 141 145 3 5 44 11 3 .364 .495 .683 1.178 223 132.1 14.1 2056 Baltimore - D2D 37 158 549 185 24 5 47 131 142 148 3 8 40 13 2 .337 .475 .656 1.130 214 120.5 13.0 2057 Baltimore - D2D 38 158 535 182 34 5 34 109 113 140 2 12 51 7 3 .340 .470 .613 1.083 200 107.1 12.0 2058 Baltimore - D2D 39 158 555 211 32 9 39 130 104 132 5 7 44 10 2 .380 .498 .681 1.179 226 136.6 15.1 2059 Baltimore - D2D 40 158 565 215 35 9 43 151 135 157 0 6 30 9 0 .381 .511 .703 1.214 239 148.0 15.7 2060 Baltimore - D2D 41 158 579 222 40 4 37 135 153 136 3 8 34 40 24 .383 .497 .658 1.155 205 131.9 13.2 2061 Baltimore - D2D 42 158 589 217 31 2 31 110 133 133 4 2 54 14 7 .368 .486 .586 1.072 197 112.7 9.8 2062 Baltimore - D2D 43 158 570 198 36 8 28 113 123 139 4 7 56 17 0 .347 .474 .586 1.060 195 109.9 9.3 2064 Virginia - D2D 45 123 435 145 28 2 21 81 85 80 0 2 60 15 2 .333 .435 .552 .987 180 67.3 5.1 2064 New York - D2D 45 33 120 39 6 0 3 19 26 24 0 1 11 2 0 .325 .434 .450 .884 154 14.1 1.0 2064 Total - D2D 45 156 555 184 34 2 24 100 111 104 0 3 71 17 2 .332 .435 .530 .965 0 81.4 6.0 2067 Carolina - D2D 48 158 606 193 30 1 17 95 100 89 0 7 77 12 0 .318 .402 .455 .857 147 62.9 4.4 2068 Carolina - D2D 49 158 604 209 30 4 19 87 96 79 2 3 75 10 2 .346 .422 .503 .925 161 73.6 5.8 2069 Carolina - D2D 50 158 561 194 31 5 26 96 102 91 1 8 52 28 24 .346 .433 .558 .991 164 72.8 6.5 2070 Carolina - D2D 51 158 602 199 42 2 21 82 90 61 2 4 93 14 4 .331 .392 .512 .903 154 61.9 6.2 2071 Carolina - D2D 52 158 601 168 27 3 24 84 94 73 1 8 103 6 2 .280 .354 .454 .809 127 39.4 3.9 2072 Carolina - D2D 53 158 655 214 39 2 18 92 118 70 1 4 116 13 0 .327 .390 .475 .865 141 64.4 6.4 2073 Texas - D2D 54 54 215 62 12 2 1 31 27 17 0 3 40 1 0 .288 .336 .377 .713 95 5.9 0.2 2073 Los Angeles - D2D 54 104 430 121 22 0 13 46 76 47 2 3 77 2 1 .281 .353 .423 .776 115 21.0 2.1 2073 Total - D2D 54 158 645 183 34 2 14 77 103 64 2 6 117 3 1 .284 .347 .408 .755 0 26.9 2.3 2074 Tacoma - D2D 55 44 166 43 7 0 3 15 20 18 1 0 39 1 0 .259 .335 .355 .691 90 0.4 -0.2 2074 Los Angeles - D2D 55 5 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 0 .250 .250 .250 .500 44 -0.2 -0.0 2074 Baton Rouge - D2D 55 8 23 7 2 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 4 0 0 .304 .304 .391 .696 89 0.5 0.1 2074 Total - D2D 55 57 193 51 9 0 3 19 22 18 1 0 46 1 0 .264 .330 .358 .688 0 0.7 -0.1 Total D2D 4603 16608 5848 914 141 1012 3394 3716 3690 64 169 1621 570 161 .352 .468 .607 1.075 195 3211.3 316.9 Total JWL 58 210 54 2 3 17 36 51 58 1 2 33 25 3 .257 .417 .538 .955 100 29.3 2.9 Period. Last edited by darkcloud4579; 01-07-2015 at 02:33 AM. |
01-07-2015, 01:49 AM | #14 |
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01-07-2015, 03:39 AM | #16 |
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How'd ya get him to play until he was 58? Wonder how many HR Ruth, Bonds or Aaron would have hit if they played until 58.
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01-07-2015, 10:52 AM | #17 |
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Did you create Joe Peters to be the greatest player in history on purpose, with 250s across the board and impervious to any injury, just to see how he would do?
And is your real life name Joe Peters? :wink: |
01-07-2015, 11:40 AM | #18 | ||
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No, I let users from the forum create their own characters and so, he belongs to an OOTPer Injuries are turned off in this universe, because I play the fast-sim way (no injuries, fatigue high or normal, tinker in the off-season but then make no real moves during the actual season) I've always played that way, though. Quote:
If you want to keep a guy around for longer without having to always unretire him though, all you have to do is change the age of the player (I usually go back 10 years) and that way they'll last longer. I don't edit ratings in these instances, but it does give guys who are otherwise performing at a high level a chance to keep it up. Plus dudes like Satchel Paige and others played well into their 50s and even Julio Franco played until his late 40s. Dudes today have no incentive to play forever because there's too much money involved, but...I do like modeling a world where some elites hang on too long if they're doing well. |
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My opinion is that these guys, these major league baseball players, are addicted to the trappings of playing baseball, and especially to being at the top of a very competitive, very visible vocation. This is why guys like Ken Griffey Jr., Tom Glavine, Jim Thome, John Smoltz, Tom Gordon, Craig Biggio, Ivan Rodriguez, Luis Gonzalez, Raul Ibanez—and too many others to keep looking up and naming—continue playing baseball for several years in their late 30s and 40s at salaries far below their peaks—less than $2 or $3 million a year in some cases—even though they have already made close to or better than $100 million during their careers. After you get to a certain point, it really is not about the money anymore. It's about the game, the competition, the camaraderie, the need to excel. (And who knows, perhaps the traveling and the endless tail on the road, too). I will agree that there's one thing you don't see anymore that's money-related: you don't see major league stars ending their careers playing several years in the minor leagues because they still need the money. But that's because today's player is paid what he is actually worth, instead of being lowballed by greedy owners and leagues, plus the minor leagues is developmental these days anyway. Although that did not stop Wes Chamberlain, Ryan Langerhans, Scott Burroughs, Tracy McGrady and other guys from playing independent league ball, despite the money they made in professional sports. Because in the final analysis, it's almost never about the money. Otherwise, these guys would have real jobs that pay living wages instead of playing independent league ball for a pittance. |
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01-07-2015, 01:43 PM | #20 |
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All good points.
To give you all a sense of how this league has evolved over the past 300+ years with no injuries and so forth, I've gone and taken screenshots of all of the batters in the ABA HOF by WAR and will do a separate post for pitchers. I'll go through and highlight each guy over time and put them in a tier, but...I figured the best way to really make sense of the jarring numbers compared to IRL was to post all of these numbers. |
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