A Chronicle of Baseball History

Questdog · 08-27-2016, 11:46 PM

Questdog · 08-27-2016, 11:47 PM

Questdog · 08-27-2016, 11:48 PM

Questdog · 08-27-2016, 11:49 PM

Questdog · 08-27-2016, 11:56 PM

Editor's Note: The actual 8th rule was "The game to consist of twenty-one counts, or aces; but at the conclusion an equal number of hands must be played." However, there is no way to get OOTP to conform to this rule so our fictional heroes thought of another. I thought of just ignoring all results after 21 runs were scored, but what if no one scored 21 runs? Then I'd be in a pickle....

Questdog · 08-28-2016, 12:12 AM

Editor's Note: In the actual game played, there were only seven to a side and no one had ever heard of a shortstop. But again, not much we can do to model this behavior in OOTP. The 6 cent fine actually happened and was actually logged as I have reported.

Questdog · 08-28-2016, 12:21 AM

Editor's Note: The New York vs. Brooklyn game was actually eight players to a side. If the score seems high, consider that in the actual game, Brooklyn won, 22 to 1, but they only played 3 innings. In baseball's infancy, pitching was mostly irrelevant. The pitcher was expected to 'pitch', not throw the ball, and to do so in a manner that enabled the striker to have a good opportunity to make contact. The basic confrontation of a game was between the batters and base runners versus the fielders. The pitcher-batter focus of the game was non-existent at this time and when it later started to reveal itself, the rules makers did everything they could to suppress it.

Also on October 10, the Naval School at Annapolis opened with a class of 50 midshipmen and 7 professors. It would later be renamed the Naval Academy.

Questdog · 08-28-2016, 12:31 AM

Please feel free to comment in this thread. I especially want to hear from you if you have information about something that happened during the time of our simulation, but I have either neglected it or glossed it over. Or just plain got it wrong.

Please point out any errors! Also, if you have ideas about how I can make the presentation better, let me know.

And if you enjoy baseball history, I hope you will enjoy this fictional recreation!

Hankyu Braves · 08-28-2016, 07:47 AM

Very nice. Quite a start.
I'm saving the pics to read them again later.

Sizeman21 · 08-28-2016, 10:26 AM

Loving this so far. I like the base ball and history coverage you provide. It feels more realistic and captures the era more like that. Keep up the good work!

Questdog · 08-29-2016, 11:27 PM

Questdog · 09-05-2016, 05:51 PM

Only reason for the delay in updates in this thread is that we have been evaluating a new patch in beta and I did not want to use this universe as a guinea pig.......should be back going strong this week sometime.

JaBurns · 09-05-2016, 08:06 PM

I think this will be worth following, keep up the good and interesting work!

Lafayette53 · 09-08-2016, 07:10 PM

This is really excellently done. Your knowledge of 19th Century baseball and the differences never ceases to impress.

I've wanted to do a similar project, with my own personal touch, for some time now. Perhaps I finally can do things up to my standards with your world_default and names mods being made available in the future..

Questdog · 09-08-2016, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lafayette53

This is really excellently done. Your knowledge of 19th Century baseball and the differences never ceases to impress.

I've wanted to do a similar project, with my own personal touch, for some time now. Perhaps I finally can do things up to my standards with your world_default and names mods being made available in the future..

It is available now, at least the first installment. I won't make the next installment until I need it. But the first installment would work okay for the whole 19th century, to be honest.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post4079670

P.S. Still waiting to make sure the new patch is stable before submitting this universe to it. There have been a few issues raised, so probably will have to wait until next week.

Questdog · 10-03-2016, 04:24 PM

Okay, I think the latest Hotfix has made the game suitable to continue this thread again. Look for updates soon!

P.S. Soon should be interpreted as meaning by the weekend....

Questdog · 10-14-2016, 10:25 PM

Questdog · 10-18-2016, 01:51 AM

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Actual box score of the game of October 23, 1845, from the New York Herald of Oct. 25.
Note: There is an error in the 'Hands out.' column of Brooklyn.

Editor's Note: Those of you familiar with early professional baseball history will know that only one umpire was present on the field in the first years of major league baseball and that the Players' League of 1890 was the first major league to require two umpires to officiate a game and that the National League did not mandate two-man crews until 1898. You may be surprised then to see that three umpires are listed in the box score as having officiated this game of 1845! Well, not exactly. In those days, they actually had 2 'umpires' and a 'referee'. The umpires represented each club and the referee was impartial. Umpires did not actually make calls on the spot then; they only made rulings when appealed to (there were no ball or strike calls to make) and they were not on the field, but sat off to the side in foul territory. The plan was that when a judgement was asked for by a player, the umpires would only consult the referee if they did not agree on the proper call. Of course, once competitive instincts trumped gentlemanly behavior after a few years of inter-club play, the two umpires would never agree on a close call and the referee would always have to rule. Therefore the two umpires representing the combatants were done away with by the time the professionals took over the game. Of the three umpires listed in the box score, Wheaton was a member of the Knickerbocker Club and may have been the impartial referee of the lot.

What led to this cumbersome three-man system was that most impartial persons pressed into service as arbiters at games knew very little about baseball and the intricacies of the rules. It was thought that the representatives from the two clubs could do most of the officiating required and that the impartial referee would only have to be occasionally questioned and, if needed, informed of the pertinent rules by the umpires.

P.S. I took the box score out of the actual 'book', because it did not belong since it never happened in our fictional universe.

Hankyu Braves · 10-26-2016, 03:13 AM

I'm loving this.

Keep up the good work!

Questdog · 10-26-2016, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hankyu Braves

I'm loving this.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks! I am not going as slowly as it seems....

I have spent the last few days changing the format of the box scores from one team above the other to side by side. In Scribus, the program I am using to format the pages, this was a huge task. If any one out there is a Scribus wiz and can clue me in on how to copy and paste my box score layouts, I would be eternally grateful. They are made up of seven elements for each team (14 for the full box score) and the tools provided for grouping these either do not work or their proper use has eluded me..... So I have to move each of these elements one at a time for every box score, which is a pain in the duffer.... Plus, this change altered the layout of everything else, so the whole thread had to be reformatted from the point of the first box score..... Will be posted in the next few days, hopefully.

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08-27-2016, 11:56 PM	#5
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Editor's Note: The actual 8th rule was "The game to consist of twenty-one counts, or aces; but at the conclusion an equal number of hands must be played." However, there is no way to get OOTP to conform to this rule so our fictional heroes thought of another. I thought of just ignoring all results after 21 runs were scored, but what if no one scored 21 runs? Then I'd be in a pickle.... Last edited by Questdog; 08-28-2016 at 02:01 AM.

08-28-2016, 12:21 AM	#7
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Editor's Note: The New York vs. Brooklyn game was actually eight players to a side. If the score seems high, consider that in the actual game, Brooklyn won, 22 to 1, but they only played 3 innings. In baseball's infancy, pitching was mostly irrelevant. The pitcher was expected to 'pitch', not throw the ball, and to do so in a manner that enabled the striker to have a good opportunity to make contact. The basic confrontation of a game was between the batters and base runners versus the fielders. The pitcher-batter focus of the game was non-existent at this time and when it later started to reveal itself, the rules makers did everything they could to suppress it. Also on October 10, the Naval School at Annapolis opened with a class of 50 midshipmen and 7 professors. It would later be renamed the Naval Academy. Last edited by Questdog; 08-28-2016 at 12:32 AM.

08-28-2016, 12:31 AM	#8
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Please feel free to comment in this thread. I especially want to hear from you if you have information about something that happened during the time of our simulation, but I have either neglected it or glossed it over. Or just plain got it wrong. Please point out any errors! Also, if you have ideas about how I can make the presentation better, let me know. And if you enjoy baseball history, I hope you will enjoy this fictional recreation! Last edited by Questdog; 08-28-2016 at 01:38 PM.

08-27-2016, 11:47 PM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142

08-27-2016, 11:48 PM	#3
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142

08-28-2016, 12:12 AM	#6
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Editor's Note: In the actual game played, there were only seven to a side and no one had ever heard of a shortstop. But again, not much we can do to model this behavior in OOTP. The 6 cent fine actually happened and was actually logged as I have reported.

08-28-2016, 07:47 AM	#9
Hankyu Braves All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 496	Very nice. Quite a start. I'm saving the pics to read them again later.

08-28-2016, 10:26 AM	#10
Sizeman21 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: The bleachers of Sportsman's Park Posts: 435	Loving this so far. I like the base ball and history coverage you provide. It feels more realistic and captures the era more like that. Keep up the good work!

08-29-2016, 11:27 PM	#11
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142

09-05-2016, 05:51 PM	#12
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Only reason for the delay in updates in this thread is that we have been evaluating a new patch in beta and I did not want to use this universe as a guinea pig.......should be back going strong this week sometime.

09-05-2016, 08:06 PM	#13
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,266	I think this will be worth following, keep up the good and interesting work!

09-08-2016, 07:10 PM	#14
Lafayette53 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 346 Blog Entries: 1	This is really excellently done. Your knowledge of 19th Century baseball and the differences never ceases to impress. I've wanted to do a similar project, with my own personal touch, for some time now. Perhaps I finally can do things up to my standards with your world_default and names mods being made available in the future.. __________________ Uniforms/Logos: Cincinnati Redbirds through the ages: 1900-2014 Professional Association (1876) Baltimore Bombers Old Dynasties "Many attend, few understand" - The Baltimore Bombers (1946-)

10-03-2016, 04:24 PM	#16
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Okay, I think the latest Hotfix has made the game suitable to continue this thread again. Look for updates soon! P.S. Soon should be interpreted as meaning by the weekend.... Last edited by Questdog; 10-03-2016 at 07:36 PM.

10-14-2016, 10:25 PM	#17
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Last edited by Questdog; 11-06-2016 at 10:02 PM.

10-18-2016, 01:51 AM	#18
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Actual box score of the game of October 23, 1845, from the New York Herald of Oct. 25. Note: There is an error in the 'Hands out.' column of Brooklyn. Editor's Note: Those of you familiar with early professional baseball history will know that only one umpire was present on the field in the first years of major league baseball and that the Players' League of 1890 was the first major league to require two umpires to officiate a game and that the National League did not mandate two-man crews until 1898. You may be surprised then to see that three umpires are listed in the box score as having officiated this game of 1845! Well, not exactly. In those days, they actually had 2 'umpires' and a 'referee'. The umpires represented each club and the referee was impartial. Umpires did not actually make calls on the spot then; they only made rulings when appealed to (there were no ball or strike calls to make) and they were not on the field, but sat off to the side in foul territory. The plan was that when a judgement was asked for by a player, the umpires would only consult the referee if they did not agree on the proper call. Of course, once competitive instincts trumped gentlemanly behavior after a few years of inter-club play, the two umpires would never agree on a close call and the referee would always have to rule. Therefore the two umpires representing the combatants were done away with by the time the professionals took over the game. Of the three umpires listed in the box score, Wheaton was a member of the Knickerbocker Club and may have been the impartial referee of the lot. What led to this cumbersome three-man system was that most impartial persons pressed into service as arbiters at games knew very little about baseball and the intricacies of the rules. It was thought that the representatives from the two clubs could do most of the officiating required and that the impartial referee would only have to be occasionally questioned and, if needed, informed of the pertinent rules by the umpires. P.S. I took the box score out of the actual 'book', because it did not belong since it never happened in our fictional universe. Last edited by Questdog; 11-06-2016 at 10:13 PM.

10-26-2016, 03:13 AM	#19
Hankyu Braves All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 496	I'm loving this. Keep up the good work! Last edited by Hankyu Braves; 10-26-2016 at 03:15 AM. Reason: Changed the smiley!!!!