1871 Replay - 1881

[BaseballMan]

In ootp3 it would lock up but this year it seems like it will work even if you only have 1 pitcher so maybe Radbourn could win 60 again.

I deceided against putting players in myself.
If you do one then your tempted to do more and pretty soon its just players you liked.

Right now i just adjust the hof settings.
I put savings at 200 for now. Noone will ever get
400 saves back then but its also unlikely they will get 200 but at least theres a small chance.

[Vyper]

One or two man rotations definately do work in OOTP4, I still get an occasional team that only has two pitchers. The only problem comes with injuries where you end up with a position player pitching.

I'm still unsure about Hall of Fame numbers, I've left saves at 600 (not that I think anyone will get over 50 for their career) because I don't really see a reliever from that era making too big of a contribution. Right now 2000 hits or 1600 hits with a .350 batting average seems to be a good choice for hitters, but as the number of games per season keeps increasing I may have to adjust that a little higher.

I'm still working on the 1884 season, with over 300 rookies, most of who just played one season for the UA, there are a lot of them to go through and edit so they'll retire quickly. I also had to skip expanding the AA to 12 teams since you can't have more than 10 in a division, it went back to 8 teams in 1885, so I'm not too bothered by that.

[BaseballMan]

Ah the infamous 1884 season.
Isnt that the one were there are 3 leagues
and one had 13 teams.

You do know that if you have an odd numbered
league and you can get around the schedule generator by scheduling the games manually.

I dont think it would take as long as you might think if you write it down on paper first.

I know i did it in baseball for windows.

You would need to make sure ever team played the
same amount of games.

[Vyper]

Yup that's the one. I'm not including the UA, simply because they were only around for that one year. Both the UA and AA had 12 teams during the 84 season, but you're limited to 10 per division in OOTP. So at the risk of accuracy for one season, I'm leaving the UA out and keeping the AA at 8 teams.

I've thought about manually scheduling games because I don't like starting the season in June just to finish up in early October, but I'm already spending so much time between seasons I just don't think I want to do it right now.

[BaseballMan]

the more work you do the more you enjoy it.

If you can make it to 1903 it may get easier for you when you can just import rookies to their real teams.

You may want to take a look at Cy Young when he comes in cause hes never been any good in the leagues ive run. I think his rookie year just holds him back.

Also i beleive Mathewson, Waddell come in as MR.

In ootp3 George Hall was an unbelivable hitter.
Every year he was batting near .400

Well keep it up and keep me up to date on Anson's
progress

[Le Grande Orange]

Well, in 1884 both the UA and AA actually had 13 members.

In the AA's case, one team came in later in the season to replace a team that had dropped out.

In the UA's case, one team relocated (often being listed as a separate team as a result), and 4 teams entered the league later on in the season to replace teams that had dropped out. So, if you only count the teams that actually started the season in the UA, it'd be only 8 teams.

So you could just make the UA an 8 team league, and leave out the teams that only played a few games in the UA. And you could just exand the AA to 10 teams instead of 12; this way you get some of the expansion that actually took place, while keeping within the limitations that OOTP provides.

Just a thought...

[Vyper]

You are right, I forgot about Richmond. I did play the season last night, using the 8 team AA and 8 team NL format. I'm all for accuracy in this replay, but it just seemed as if I'd spent enough time setting up the season without expanding to 3 leagues for one year. I've got a long way to go, but don't expect to use the Federal League in 1914 and 15 either, although that's more likely than a one shot league like the UA was.

[Vyper]

1884 Season

March 4
The National League meets in Buffalo, new rules include:
- The number of balls required for a walk is reduced from seven to six
- Owners agree to provide two separate benches to minimize fraternizing among opposing players during games.

The schedule is expanded to 112 games for the 1884 season.

The American Association decides to remain an 8 team league, leaving Toledo, Brooklyn, Indianapolis and Washington out in the cold.

March 6
High winds in New York destroy much of the fench and blow off part of the Polo Grounds grandstand roof, depositing a block away.

March 28
During an exhibition game between the Philadelphia Quakers and Athletics, umpire William McLean, reacting to fans' taunts, hurls a bat into the stands hitting but not injuring a spectator. McLean is arrested after the game, but the charges are soon dropped.

March 30
C Pat Deasly from Boston to St. Louis
P John Ward from Providence to New York (N)
LF Ed Smartwood from Buffalo to Philadelphia (A)
P Jim Mccormick from Cleveland to Cincinnati
SS Jimmy Macullar from Cincinnati to Baltimore

May 13
Pat Deasly of the St. Louis Browns is arrested for drunkenness and for making insulting comments to ladies. He is released, but 6 days later he will be seriously injured in a fight. His wife will be asked to join the team this season on road trips to keep him in line

June 13
Baltimore management surrounds the playing field with a barbed wire fence to restrain the crowd. Fans had surged onto the field and attacked the umpire following an extra inning game with Louisville the day before.

June 17
Baltimore Orioles P Gid Gardner is jailed after severely beating his girlfriend and a woman who had come to her aid. The charges are dropped but Orioles manager Billy Barnie will fine Gardner and suspend him indefinitely.

July 7
St. Louis Catcher Eddi Fusselback, a career .238 hitter drills six hits against Pittsburgh

August 4
Buffalo RF Dave Eggler has six hits against Cleveland

August 16
Cleveland’s Nolan serverely injured
When it rains, it pours. Cleveland’s right-hander, ‘The Only’ Nolan will not pitch for at least 5 weeks, handin the team a huge setback. He suffered a serious injury in a game against Providence where he left the field in the 3rd inning. Team officials were informed that Nolan had suffered a Strained Elbow Ligament. In 25 starts this year, he has struck out 105 batters in 193.1 innings of work. A 15-7 record places him 4th in the National League in wins.

August 24
Philadelphia(A) right-hander George Snyder throws a 1-hit shutout against St. Louis

September 9
Baltimore P John Fox throws his first career shutout, a 1-hitter against Columbus

September 15
Tom York equals his record of 17 home runs in a season

September 25
Detroit clinches the NL pennant with a 4-0 win over Chicago

September 29
It took until the final day of the season, but the Baltimore Orioles edged the Cincinnati Red Legs in a one game playoff to take the AA pennant.

Ocotber 6
Wolverines Take First Championship
The Detroit Wolverines capped off a great season by thrashing the Baltimore Orioles in 4 games for the 1884 World Championship. The Wolverines took the first two games at home, 7-4 and 4-1, before travelling to Baltimore and wrapping things up handily 8-3 and 7-2.

Ocotber 7
St. Louis’ Caruthers and Detroit’s Getzien take all honors
The 1884 American Association Rookie of the Year is Bob Caruthers from St. Louis. Caruthers, who also won the Pitcher of the Year Award put together an impressive season. Opposing players hit just .224 against Bob this season. While posting an ERA of 1.94 he went 25-11 in 37 starts, fanning 168 and walking 47. He has 33 complete games and 6 shutouts. Charlie Getzien will never forget his first full season. The National League was convinced that Detroit’s pitcher, should be Rookie of the Year. This season Getzien compiled an ERA of 2.16, going 28-7 in 37 starts. He fanned 199 while giving up 319 hits in 317.1 innings. Getzien led the NL in wins and ERA, he was also named 1884 Pitcher of the Year.

O’rourke and Anson win Most Valuable Player Award
John O’rourke was named the American Association MVP Award winner. His season numbers are: .361 AVG, 160 hits, 29 doubles, and 20 triples, along with 66 RBI and 59 runs scored. Chicago’s third baseman Cap Anson edged teammate Ross Barnes in the NL MVP voting. Anson won his seventh award, and fourth straight. Anson posts a .484 OBP while batting .402 and driving in 113 runs.

October 30
Financially troubled Columbus decides to sell all its players to Pittsburgh for $6,000 and go out of business.

November 4
Tony Mullane violates an oral agreement with St. Louis and signs with Cincinnati for 1885.

November 19
NL president Abraham G. Mills resigns and is replaced by former league secretary Nick Young

November 20
The NL agrees to allow overhand pitching, but rules that pitchers must keep both feet on the ground throught their pitching motion. They still must throw the ball at the height requested by the batter.

December 5
The AA votes to keep its ban on overhand pitching and to continue to allow fouls caught on one bounce to count as outs. The home team will now automatically bat first.

Final 1884 Standings

American Association             National League

              W   L   Pct.  GB                 W   L   Pct.  GB

Baltimore     71  42  .628  *    Detroit        72  40  .643  *

Cincinnati    70  43  .619  1    Chicago        69  43  .616  3

St.Louis      67  45  .598  3.5  Cleveland      63  49  .563  9

PhiladelphiaA 64  48  .571  6.5  Buffalo        59  53  .527  13

Pittsburgh    51  61  .455  19.5 NewYorkN       54  58  .482  18

Columbus      44  68  .393  26.5 PhiladelphiaN  46  66  .411  26

Louisville    43  69  .384  27.5 Providence     44  68  .393  28

NewYorkA      39  73  .348  31.5 Boston         41  71  .366  31

LEAGUE LEADERS

BATTING AVERAGE

 R.Barnes(Chicago)             .406

 C.Anson(Chicago)              .402

 M.Powell(Detroit)             .387

HOMERUNS

 T.York(Providence)              17

 D.Brouthers(Buffalo)            13

 O.Burns(Baltimore)              13

RBI's

 C.Anson(Chicago)               113

 J.Remsen(Chicago)               98

 S.Flint(Chicago)                97

STOLEN BASES

 D.Force(Buffalo)                17

 D.Eggler(Buffalo)               12

 D.Mack(Louisville)              11

ERA

 E.Morris(Columbus)            1.47

 B.Emslie(Baltimore)           1.72

 J.Jones(PhiladelphiaA)        1.83

WINS

 C.Getzien(Detroit)            28-7

 L.Corcoran(Chicago)          26-10

 B.Caruthers(St. Louis)       25-11

STRIKE OUTS

 C.Getzien(Detroit)             199

 T.Keefe(NewYorkA)              188

 P.Meegan(Pittsburgh)           178

[ 05-02-2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Vyper ]

[Vyper]

Comparing the careers of Cap Anson and Ross Barnes
Anson: Age 32 (MVP 1876 1878 1879 1881 1882 1883 1884)
Barnes: Age 34 (MVP 1872 1874 1875)

Cap Anson

       G   AB    H  2B  3B HR RBI   R   K  BB SB CS  AVG  OBP  SLG Team

1871  30  135   43   6   6  0  31  22   7   7  5  1 .319 .352 .452 ROK

1872  43  198   55  14   6  0  25  27   8   6  2  1 .278 .299 .409 BLC

1873  52  216   74  16   8  0  48  47   5  20  6  2 .343 .398 .491 BLC

1874  29   91   28   9   5  0  16  25   0   2  2  2 .308 .323 .516 PNA

1875  60  234   72  13   9  0  27  55   7  21  5  4 .308 .365 .440 PNA

1876  69  289  101  26  11  2  78  52   7  24  2  0 .349 .399 .536 CHC

1877  60  239   84  15   7  2  46  44   6  21  5  2 .351 .404 .498 CHC

1878  55  233   89  17  11  4  63  57   3  26  6  4 .382 .444 .601 CHC

1879  83  319  129  23   7  7  89  84   8  63  4  3 .404 .503 .586 CHC

1880  49  197   70  15   6  4  39  39  15  31  2  0 .355 .443 .553 CHC

1881  79  309  107  21   7  5  59  64  27  40  4  3 .346 .421 .508 CHC

1882  82  321  130  11   7  4  81  74  25  44  7  3 .405 .477 .520 CHC

1883  89  369  145  29   7  5 103  89  27  53  9  3 .393 .469 .550 CHC

1884 105  423  170  30  19  5 113 100  31  67  8  4 .402 .484 .598 CHC

     

Tot  885 3573 1297 245 116 38 818 779 176 425 67 32 .363 .431 .528

Ross Barnes

       G   AB    H  2B  3B HR RBI   R   K  BB SB CS  AVG  OBP  SLG Team

1871  30  124   52   6   2  0  24  30   5  18  5  0 .419 .493 .500 PNA

1872  43  174   70   6   8  0  39  41   5  33  3  2 .402 .498 .529 BNA

1873  50  193   70  14   5  0  30  55   7  42  2  0 .363 .477 .487 BNA

1874  59  226   81  12   7  1  45  55   6  55  8  2 .358 .484 .487 BNA

1875  67  276  110  19  12  1  55  59   5  48  5  1 .399 .488 .565 BNA

1876  70  273  115  29   8  1  49  76   6  49  6  1 .421 .509 .597 CHC

1877  59  223   74  21   3  1  30  46   7  47  1  1 .332 .448 .466 CHC

1878  59  246   93  18   3  0  43  62  11  41  3  3 .378 .467 .476 CHC

1879  82  318  109  15   9  2  38  84   9  72  2  5 .343 .464 .465 CHC

1880  81  314  113  28   8  0  57  73  11  77  3  5 .360 .486 .500 CHC

1881  80  312  104  17   4  1  50  61  10  51  3  3 .333 .427 .423 CHC

1882  80  310  116  18  10  0  53  86  10  57  3  2 .374 .471 .497 CHC

1883  95  363  161  29  10  0  81 101   9  91  5  4 .444 .555 .579 CHC

1884 105  424  172  36   9  2  80 111  14  71 10  0 .406 .486 .547 CHC

  

Tot  960 3776 1440 268  98  9 674 940 115 752 59 29 .381 .484 .511

[BaseballMan]

what about the players that played in the federal?
Do you plan to sit them out or just let them be drafted by the teams you do use?

Looks like Barnes might end up better than Anson.

I decided to put players in the hall myself based on my system but i will have my first induction in 1886 ten years after i start and only 3 will be elected. 1 Pitcher, 1 Batter, and then rotate the other. You must have 5 yrs experience for 19th century players and 10 for 20th century.
Also in 1900 i will start a vetreans commitee that will elect 1 pitcher and 1 batter that played at least 20 years before the time of the election.

[Vyper]

I've been thinking about it, and probably will include the Federal League, any idea how playoffs work with 3 leagues though?

Do you plan to induct 3 players every season or just ones that meet a certain level? After 14 seasons, I haven't had anyone retire yet that truly deserves to be elected. The first players still have at least another 3 or 4 seasons to play in my opinion.

[BaseballMan]

1 may say they have to get 750 pts from my system.
But then agin there are players who are in the hall that only have 5 years or so if you just go by most encylopedias that start from 1876. They dont consider the National Association a true major league. Like George and Harry Wright.
I dont think a player should be weighed against players of 1990's but rather his peers.

Also thinking about it with only 3 players getting in a year i may have a few Candy Cummings, but they would still have to be the best player up to that point and after a while the modern players would outpoint them leaving them to the vetreans committee as a last shot.

I think it will be more fun than players going in cause i thought they desrved it or lowering the hof criteruer. Plus you get that contoversy of baseball like the does the Ozzie Smith type desrve to be in the hall.

Well anyways i figured it out and i should have 252 from the vetreans by 2002 and 348 from the regular committee making a total of 600.
I think thats pretty close to the hall. I may have to lower the regular to 2 players.

You may wanna start checking the rookies pretty good cause i know Christy Mathewson and Waddell come in as midle relievers.

Great reports so far and excellent league.
You ever thought of building a website and putting the results of your seasons there?

[Vyper]

1885 Season

January 3
The recently disbanded Cleveland Blues release their players

January 6
Millionaire Henry V. Lucas purchases the Cleveland club and plans to fill the vacancy in the NL with his own St. Louis Maroons

January 10
At an NL meeting, St. Louis is admitted to the League, Cleveland’s resignation is formally accepted, and Detroit has its request to remain in the NL granted

Paul Hines, an outfielder with Providence and resident of Washington D.C. is challenged to catch a ball dropped from the top of the Washington Monument

January 16
Brooklyn signs several players from the late Cleveland club, inking Hotaling, Phillips, Harkins, George Pinkney, Smith, and Krieg.

January 17
Paul Hines cancels his experiment when a test ball dropped from the top of the monument indents the ground as much as a heavy cannonball would.

January 20
Brooklyn officially replaces Columbus in the American Association

March 30
SS Joe Gerhardt from Detroit to New York (N)
P Hugh Daily from Buffalo to Chicago
LF George Strief from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia (A)
P Jim Mccormick from Chicago to Providence
P Bobby Mathews from Boston to Philadelphia (A)
C Fred Wood from Detroit to Boston

Cherokee Fisher, the first real pitching star of the National League retires at age 39. Fisher’s best season came with Hartford in 1874 when he went 38-18 with a 2.58 ERA. His 201 career complete games lead all players.

April 1
The Spalding Sporting Goods store opens in New York

April 3
The Metropolitans release Tim Keefe and Dude Esterbrook, both players will sign with the New York Giants

May 31
Hank O’Day of Pittsburgh pitches a 1-hit shutout against Cincinnati

June 7
The AA wipes out all restrictions on pitchers using an overhand delivery and removes the fould bounce out from the rule book.

June 15
Providence P John Cattanach pitches a 1-hit shutout against Boston

July 4
Chicago 3B Cap Anson hits for the cycle and knocks in 8 runs against St. Louis (N)

July 7
Brooklyn P Henry Porter pitches a 1-hit shutout against New York (A)

July 11
Chicago releases P Larry Corcoran who was largely innefective in his 6 appearances this season

July 12
Buffalo sells struggling P Pud Galvin to Pittsburgh for $5,000

Detroit P Tim Keefe throws a 1-hit shutout against New York (N)

August 18
Providence 2B Jack Farrell is suspended without pay for obscenities directed at spectators.

August 29
New York (N) RF Mike Dorgan has six hits against Boston (N) helping the Giants improve to a 69-19 record.

September 7
Sam Thompson of Detroit sets a new rookie record for RBI’s with 80

September 15
Buffalo P James Burke is diagnosed with career ending bone chips in his shoulder. Burke pitched for Buffalo all four seasons of his career, his 15-21 record doesn’t tell the full story of what was a promising career.

October 8
The Baltimore Orioles beat the New York Giants in 7 games to take the 1885 World Championship.

October 9
Louisville’s Mays earns Rookie of the Year Award
The American Association Rookie of the Year goes to Al Mays. In 37 starts this year Al struck out 106 batters in 315.2 innings of work. His ERA is 2.74 and his record 21-14. Detroit’s Sam Thompson smiled as he was named the National League Rookie of the Year. His season features a batting average of .373 (165-442), 21 doubles, 29 tribples, and 7 homers. Thompson collected 94 RBI’s and 105 runs.

Larkin (PHA) and Thompson (DTN) win Most Valuable Player Award
Henry Larkin of Philadelphia was named the American Association MVP winner. The A’s centerfielder drove in 76 and scored 81 runs while batting .320 with 3 longballs. Detroit’s leftfielder Sam Thompson had a great first season as well and won his first MVP Award in addition to the Rookie of the Year Award

Sawyer (CIN) and Keefe (NYG) win Pitcher of the Year Award
Will Sawyer, Cincinnati’s left-hander was named the AA Pitcher of the Year for 1885. His ERA of 1.98 helped him to a 25-7 record this year. He struck out 112 and walked 73 in 277 innings. Will pitched 5 shutouts and 27 complete games. Tim Keefe of the Giant’s won his first MVP Award this season. Opposing players hit just .214 against the right-hander. While posting an ERA of 1.73 he went 24-9 in 37 starts, fanning 195 and walking 82. He has 30 complete games and 3 shutouts.

October 22
John Ward and several teammates secretly form the Brotherhood of Professional Base Ball Players. The Brotherhood, strengthened by fights against salary restrictions and abuses of the reserve clause, will become a force to be reckoned with by the end of the decade.

November 19
At an NL meeting, it is decided that Buffalo's "Big Four" (Brouthers, Richardson, Rowe, and White) can play in Detroit next season.

November 28
President Soden buys the Providence franchise and players for $6,000

December 4
The NL Metropolitans are sold to millionaire Erastus Witman for $25,000

December 8
At an AA meeting in Philadelphia, the Metropolitan club is removed and replaced by the Washington Nationals. By court order, the Metropolitans will be readmitted.

December 18
The Washington Nationals are admitted to the National League to replace Providence

Final 1885 Standings

American Association            National League

              W   L   Pct.  GB                W   L   Pct.  GB

Baltimore     79  33  .705  *   New YorkN     84  28  .750  *

Cincinnati    70  42  .625  9   Detroit       70  42  .625  14

Pittsburgh    64  48  .571  15  Chicago       59  53  .527  25

PhiladelphiaA 58  54  .518  21  Boston        57  55  .509  27

Brooklyn      54  58  .482  25  Buffalo       53  59  .473  31

St.LouisA     53  59  .473  26  Providence    49  63  .438  35

Louisville    50  62  .446  29  PhiladelphiaN 47  65  .420  37

New YorkA     20  92  .179  59  St. LouisN    29  83  .259  55

LEAGUE LEADERS

BATTING AVERAGE

 R.Barnes(Chicago)             .415

 G.Gore(Chicago)               .392

 S.Thompson(Detroit)           .373

HOMERUNS

 D.Brouthers(Buffalo)            11

 B.Ewing(New York N)             10

 E.Sutton(Boston)                10

RBI's

 C.Anson(Chicago)               122

 L.Brown(Detroit)                94

 S.Thompson(Detroit)             94

STOLEN BASES

 D.Eggler(Buffalo)               17

 D.Force(Buffalo)                11

 2 players                        7

ERA

 T.Keefe(New York N)           1.73

 P.Meegan(Pittsburgh)          1.82

 R.Deagle(Cincinnati)          1.94

WINS

 M.Allen(New York N)           25-7

 W.Sawyer(Cincinnati)          25-7

 T.Keefe(New York N)           24-9

STRIKEOUTS

 T.Keefe(New York N)            195

 J.Harkins(Brooklyn)            178

 H.O'day(Pittsburgh)            165

[Vyper]

1885 Career Leaders

 Career Batting Leaders



     (* = still active)



  BATTING AVG TOP 25 (Minimum 2000 AB)

   1)  Ross Barnes *         .385

   2)  Levi Meyerle          .378

   3)  Cap Anson *           .360

   4)  George Gore *         .343

   5)  Buttercup Dickerson * .343

   6)  John O'rourke *       .341

   7)  Dan Brouthers *       .341

   8)  Lip Pike              .340

   9)  Tom Mansell *         .333

   10) Roger Connor *        .333

   11) Deacon White *        .333

   12) Ezra Sutton *         .330

   13) King Kelly *          .328

   14) Tim Murnane *         .327

   15) Tom York *            .324

   16) Joe Start             .324

   17) Pete Hotaling *       .323

   18) Dick Higham *         .314

   19) Arthur Irwin *        .314

   20) Fred Dunlap *         .313

   21) Emil Gross *          .313

   22) Orator Shaffer *      .306

   23) Hardy Richardson *    .305

   24) Lew Brown *           .301

   25) Jim Holdsworth        .298



  HITS TOP 25

   1)  Ross Barnes *         1614

   2)  Cap Anson *           1447

   3)  Ezra Sutton *         1434

   4)  Dick Higham *         1308

   5)  Dave Eggler *         1245

   6)  Tom York *            1234

   7)  Tim Murnane *         1197

   8)  Davy Force *          1161

   9)  Lip Pike              1048

   10) Harry Schafer *       1044

   11) Deacon White *        1040

   12) Candy Nelson *        1022

   13) Jim O'rourke *        1000

   14) John Peters *          941

   15) Jack Remsen *          901

   16) John O'rourke *        875

   17) Dan Brouthers *        874

   18) George Gore *          844

   19) Jim Holdsworth         819

   20) Levi Meyerle           795

   21) King Kelly *           781

   22) Pete Hotaling *        777

   23) Joe Start              768

   24) Tom Mansell *          756

   25) Bill Phillips *        746



  HOMERUNS TOP 25

   1)  Tom York *              91

   2)  Ezra Sutton *           62

   3)  Dan Brouthers *         61

   4)  Lip Pike                55

   5)  Levi Meyerle            55

   6)  Cap Anson *             46

   7)  Deacon White *          42

   8)  John Peters *           39

   9)  Candy Nelson *          33

   10) Roger Connor *          32

   11) Fred Treacey            30

   12) Lew Brown *             29

   13) Will Foley *            26

   14) George Hall             26

   15) Buck Ewing *            26

   16) John O'rourke *         25

   17) Harry Stovey *          24

   18) Charlie Gould           24

   19) Jack Remsen *           24

   20) Fred Dunlap *           23

   21) Gat Stires              23

   22) Doug Allison *          22

   23) Jackie Hayes *          22

   24) Henry Myers *           21

   25) Pete Browning *         21



  RBI TOP 25

   1)  Cap Anson *            940

   2)  Ezra Sutton *          770

   3)  Ross Barnes *          758

   4)  Tom York *             692

   5)  Jack Remsen *          641

   6)  Deacon White *         593

   7)  Dick Higham *          588

   8)  Lip Pike               572

   9)  Jim O'rourke *         537

   10) Harry Schafer *        502

   11) John Peters *          499

   12) Candy Nelson *         495

   13) Dave Eggler *          475

   14) Davy Force *           473

   15) Levi Meyerle           435

   16) Hardy Richardson *     419

   17) Dan Brouthers *        419

   18) Roger Connor *         390

   19) Emil Gross *           388

   20) Joe Start              386

   21) John O'rourke *        386

   22) Fraley Rogers *        385

   23) Lew Brown *            383

   24) Pete Hotaling *        382

   25) Fred Treacey           376



  DOUBLES TOP 25

   1)  Ross Barnes *          297

   2)  Cap Anson *            275

   3)  Lip Pike               231

   4)  Jim O'rourke *         202

   5)  Harry Schafer *        193

   6)  Dick Higham *          181

   7)  Dan Brouthers *        181

   8)  Ezra Sutton *          179

   9)  John O'rourke *        159

   10) Fred Dunlap *          156

   11) George Gore *          153

   12) Emil Gross *           151

   13) Dave Eggler *          151

   14) Tom York *             151

   15) Jimmy Wood             138

   16) Levi Meyerle           135

   17) Deacon White *         132

   18) Pete Hotaling *        129

   19) Davy Force *           124

   20) Hardy Richardson *     123

   21) Harry Stovey *         121

   22) John Peters *          119

   23) Joe Hornung *          116

   24) Arthur Irwin *         116

   25) King Kelly *           114



  TRIPLES TOP 25

   1)  Ezra Sutton *          132

   2)  Cap Anson *            131

   3)  Tom York *             124

   4)  Ross Barnes *          107

   5)  Lip Pike                97

   6)  Jack Remsen *           90

   7)  Pete Hotaling *         86

   8)  John O'rourke *         85

   9)  Deacon White *          82

   10) Emil Gross *            80

   11) Lew Brown *             76

   12) Jim Holdsworth          76

   13) Roger Connor *          75

   14) Jim O'rourke *          74

   15) Hardy Richardson *      72

   16) Dave Eggler *           68

   17) Joe Hornung *           67

   18) Dan Brouthers *         67

   19) Harry Stovey *          66

   20) Jimmy Wood              62

   21) Levi Meyerle            60

   22) King Kelly *            57

   23) Gat Stires              55

   24) Al Reach                55

   25) Jimmy Wolf *            53



  BASES ON BALLS TOP 25

   1)  Ross Barnes *          823

   2)  Deacon White *         580

   3)  Candy Nelson *         502

   4)  Cap Anson *            473

   5)  Tom York *             411

   6)  Doug Allison *         411

   7)  Jack Remsen *          362

   8)  Jim O'rourke *         355

   9)  Levi Meyerle           324

   10) Tim Murnane *          313

   11) Dan Brouthers *        303

   12) Tom Mansell *          298

   13) Bob Ferguson           286

   14) Roger Connor *         283

   15) John Morrill *         281

   16) Charlie Gould          269

   17) Harry Stovey *         265

   18) Jimmy Wood             263

   19) Mike Moynahan *        251

   20) Ezra Sutton *          250

   21) Lip Pike               249

   22) Denny Mack *           248

   23) Arthur Irwin *         248

   24) Fred Cone *            246

   25) Dick Higham *          243



  RUNS TOP 25

   1)  Ross Barnes *         1043

   2)  Cap Anson *            865

   3)  Dave Eggler *          762

   4)  Ezra Sutton *          753

   5)  Tom York *             714

   6)  Tim Murnane *          692

   7)  Deacon White *         670

   8)  Dick Higham *          636

   9)  Lip Pike               622

   10) Davy Force *           609

   11) Jim O'rourke *         590

   12) Candy Nelson *         579

   13) Dan Brouthers *        577

   14) Harry Schafer *        553

   15) King Kelly *           520

   16) Levi Meyerle           502

   17) George Gore *          495

   18) Jack Remsen *          487

   19) Jimmy Wood             460

   20) John O'rourke *        440

   21) Tom Mansell *          437

   22) Roger Connor *         434

   23) Doug Allison *         430

   24) Fred Cone *            425

   25) John Peters *          419



  STOLEN BASES TOP 25

   1)  Dave Eggler *          117

   2)  Fred Cone *            111

   3)  Davy Force *           101

   4)  Cap Anson *             72

   5)  Jimmy Wood              69

   6)  Ross Barnes *           63

   7)  Pony Sager              60

   8)  Charlie Smith           58

   9)  Denny Mack *            50

   10) Ezra Sutton *           48

   11) Andy Leonard            47

   12) Fred Treacey            42

   13) Lip Pike                38

   14) Mike Mcgeary *          34

   15) Ned Cuthbert            31

   16) Harry Schafer *         30

   17) George Bechtel          30

   18) John Hatfield           27

   19) Dick Higham *           27

   20) Jim Holdsworth          27

   21) Art Allison             25

   22) Charlie Gould           23

   23) Pete Gillespie *        23

   24) John Radcliff           22

   25) Tim Murnane *           20



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  Career Pitching Leaders 



     (* = still active)



  ERA TOP 25  (Minimum 1000 IP)

   1)  George Snyder *       2.19   (  67-43)

   2)  Harry Salisbury *     2.22   (  68-65)

   3)  Larry Corcoran *      2.30   (  95-54)

   4)  Harry Mccormick *     2.40   (  90-67)

   5)  Curry Foley *         2.41   ( 102-47)

   6)  John Ward             2.42   (  80-69)

   7)  Foghorn Bradley *     2.49   ( 114-98)

   8)  Will White *          2.50   ( 128-96)

   9)  Tim Keefe *           2.53   (  97-67)

   10) Terry Larkin          2.56   (  83-89)

   11) John Reccius *        2.76   (  62-53)

   12) The only Nolan *      2.77   ( 113-98)

   13) Jim Whitney *         2.86   (  69-56)

   14) Dick Mcbride          2.87   ( 107-63)

   15) Jim Mccormick *       2.90   (105-110)

   16) George Zettlein       2.95   (  96-59)

   17) Bobby Mitchell *      2.96   (  62-76)

   18) Mickey Welch *        2.97   (  76-57)

   19) Blondie Purcell *     3.08   (  75-55)

   20) Tricky Nichols *      3.19   ( 103-90)

   21) Lee Richmond *        3.20   (  82-82)

   22) Jack Lynch *          3.32   (  52-86)

   23) Fred Corey *          3.41   (  58-65)

   24) Al Pratt              3.51   (  74-48)

   25) Rynie Wolters         3.81   (  62-65)



  WINS TOP 25

   1)  Will White *          128-96

   2)  Cherokee Fisher       118-117

   3)  Foghorn Bradley *     114-98

   4)  The only Nolan *      113-98

   5)  Dick Mcbride          107-63

   6)  Jim Mccormick *       105-110

   7)  Tricky Nichols *      103-90

   8)  Curry Foley *         102-47

   9)  Tim Keefe *           97-67

   10) George Zettlein       96-59

   11) Larry Corcoran *      95-54

   12) Harry Mccormick *     90-67

   13) Terry Larkin          83-89

   14) Lee Richmond *        82-82

   15) John Ward             80-69

   16) Mickey Welch *        76-57

   17) Blondie Purcell *     75-55

   18) Al Pratt              74-48

   19) Jim Whitney *         69-56

   20) Harry Salisbury *     68-65

   21) Asa Brainard          68-95

   22) George Snyder *       67-43

   23) Bobby Mathews *       66-70

   24) Emil Geis *           66-35

   25) Laurie Reis *         65-27



  STRIKEOUTS TOP 25

   1)  Will White *          1291

   2)  Tricky Nichols *      1099

   3)  The only Nolan *       976

   4)  Bobby Mitchell *       962

   5)  Tim Keefe *            901

   6)  Jim Mccormick *        727

   7)  Larry Corcoran *       711

   8)  Foghorn Bradley *      683

   9)  Lee Richmond *         640

   10) Cherokee Fisher        621

   11) Rynie Wolters          604

   12) Bobby Mathews *        602

   13) Terry Larkin           597

   14) George Zettlein        581

   15) Curry Foley *          556

   16) Harry Salisbury *      495

   17) Dick Mcbride           481

   18) Asa Brainard           478

   19) Hugh Daily *           474

   20) Dan Collins *          464

   21) Al Pratt               447

   22) Harry Mccormick *      441

   23) John Reccius *         432

   24) John Ward              431

   25) Jim Whitney *          410



  COMPLETE GAMES TOP 25

   1)  Will White *           209

   2)  Jim Mccormick *        201

   3)  Cherokee Fisher        201

   4)  The only Nolan *       198

   5)  Foghorn Bradley *      186

   6)  Terry Larkin           160

   7)  Dick Mcbride           160

   8)  Tim Keefe *            159

   9)  Tricky Nichols *       152

   10) Lee Richmond *         152

   11) Asa Brainard           152

   12) Harry Mccormick *      151

   13) George Zettlein        147

   14) John Ward              143

   15) Larry Corcoran *       137

   16) Jack Lynch *           136

   17) Curry Foley *          128

   18) Bobby Mitchell *       128

   19) Mickey Welch *         123

   20) Al Pratt               119

   21) Rynie Wolters          118

   22) Harry Salisbury *      114

   23) Dan Collins *          113

   24) Blondie Purcell *      111

   25) Jim Whitney *          108



  SHUTOUTS TOP 25

   1)  Harry Mccormick *       19

   2)  The only Nolan *        18

   3)  Tim Keefe *             18

   4)  Will White *            17

   5)  Foghorn Bradley *       16

   6)  Jim Mccormick *         15

   7)  George Snyder *         15

   8)  Curry Foley *           15

   9)  Terry Larkin            14

   10) Bob Caruthers *         12

   11) Ren Deagle *            11

   12) Jack (da) Jones *       11

   13) John Ward               10

   14) Bill Sweeney *          10

   15) Will Sawyer *           10

   16) Tricky Nichols *         9

   17) Emil Geis *              9

   18) Larry Corcoran *         9

   19) Mickey Welch *           9

   20) Bob Emslie *             8

   21) Lee Richmond *           8

   22) Harry Salisbury *        8

   23) George Derby *           7

   24) Cherokee Fisher          7

   25) Charlie Getzien *        7



  SAVES TOP 25

   1)  Bobby Mathews *          8

   2)  Tommy Bond *             8

   3)  Frank Meinke *           8

   4)  Joe Brown *              7

   5)  Pud Galvin *             6

   6)  Doc Landis *             6

   7)  John Doyle *             5

   8)  Harry Arundel *          5

   9)  Pete Wood *              5

   10) John Fox *               5

   11) Tony Mullane *           5

   12) John Coleman *           4

   13) Harry Mccormick *        4

   14) Tom Poorman *            4

   15) Hardie Henderson *       4

   16) Joe Borden *             4

   17) Jim Brown *              4

   18) Jim Tyng *               4

   19) Tom Sullivan *           3

   20) Bob Barr *               3

   21) Charlie Buffington *     3

   22) Dan Collins *            3

   23) Bill Mountjoy *          3

   24) Bobby Mitchell *         3

   25) James Burke *            3

[ 05-03-2002, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Vyper ]

[BaseballMan]

Is Tom York close to retirement age cause it would be a shame if he didnt get 100 hr.

Lets go The Only Nolan.
Sorry some 19th century players
become some of your favorites.
Thats why i cant manually put players in the hall.

[Vyper]

Tom York will enter the 1886 season at 34 years old, so 100 homers should be attainable although his home run rating dropped from 8 to 4(!) over the past year and he went from two straight 17 homer seasons down to 6.

I was toying with the idea of going through rosters and manually retiring all players who were no longer active in real life, but York would be gone (last real season was 85) and Barnes would be gone (last real season was 81) so I decided against it and will just let everyone play out their years with whatever team they were with at the time.

[BaseballMan]

i agree you should just let them play it out.
Cause if you do it for one then you gotta do it for all.

Im thinking York will finish with 97 homers.

You gonna add any negro league ball players.
I thought about it but if i do in leagues i contol a team, i would have to edit there stats down a bit cause i think they would come in overrated.