I'd like to see how a couple of players fared in their careers, namely George Brett, Hal McRae and Steve Brye. Anybody else remember the uproar about Brye and his "playing an out into a hit" that let Brett clinch the batting title on the last day of the 76 season?

Thanks for your recaps, Tiger fan, and keep up the good work!

Rob

I think you've posted him before on the old boards... but how about Joe Jackson... lets see what happened without the Black Sox scandal.. :)

Someone mentioned Ryne Sandberg, and that reminded me of the team that I first remember, the '84 Cubs. I have a few players from that team that I would like to see the HOB careers of.

1) Bob Dernier, CF
2) Leon Durham, 1B
3) Jody Davis, C
4) Rick Sutcliffe, 1984 Cy Young winner

Thanks for sharing this great replay with us. If I can ever get the league I'm planning off the ground, I will try to follow your lead.

[quote]Originally posted by pcm72:
<strong>Since I see your now into the 90's I was wondering how a few favorite players have been doing.

I would like to see the stats for Tom Browning, Paul O'Neil, and Barry Larkin</strong><hr></blockquote>

As a Reds fan you must be real happy with the HOB. Only the Yankees have more World Championships than the Reds 8, and Cincinnati has dominated since the mid-60's winning 5 World Series titles and 8 pennants in the 15 years from 1965-80.

I have simmed through 1993 now but wont provide much information beyond 1980 since that is as far as I have written recaps for and I dont want to spoil the suspense.
Anyway here are the players you enquired about

Tom BROWNING
Browning had a little trouble cracking the Reds rotation early in hios career but appears to have settled in now.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1984 5.25 1 3 0 9 1 0 58.1 34 14 33 CIN
1985 4.55 8 12 0 31 0 0 168.0 85 48 106 CIN
1986 7.15 2 3 0 16 0 0 22.2 18 7 20 CIN
1987 4.14 4 4 0 19 0 0 71.2 33 11 41 CIN
1988 3.53 2 1 0 13 0 0 51.0 20 9 34 CIN
1989 4.73 14 11 0 31 3 1 205.2 108 61 134 CIN
1990 3.71 13 8 0 31 4 1 208.2 86 47 129 CIN
1991 4.09 16 7 0 31 2 0 200.1 91 43 114 CIN
1992 5.84 13 11 0 33 0 0 200.1 130 51 130 CIN
1993 4.04 14 10 0 30 0 0 196.0 88 42 132 CIN

Total ERA : 4.51
Total Wins : 87
Total Losses: 70
Total Saves : 0
Total SHO : 2
Total CG : 10
Total K's : 873
Total BB's : 333

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Barry LARKIN
Struggled at the plate his rookie season but has shown steady improvement the last 4 years. He finished third in the NL in batting and made his first allstar team this past season.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1986 .246 10 61 154 577 142 30 7 86 31 14 54 68 .311 .374 CIN
1987 .284 12 56 153 542 154 39 2 76 33 14 63 42 .359 .430 CIN
1988 .295 13 56 145 522 154 26 3 91 49 15 69 53 .377 .431 CIN
1989 .261 5 52 157 579 151 34 4 84 48 19 72 57 .343 .359 CIN
1990 .266 12 66 139 425 113 25 1 62 29 6 39 41 .328 .414 CIN
1991 .285 16 72 158 585 167 26 4 98 64 15 79 71 .370 .426 CIN
1992 .298 12 91 158 527 157 25 5 98 48 20 101 43 .411 .433 CIN
1993 .335 17 109 161 570 191 31 6 118 66 20 72 54 .420 .500 CIN,N

Total AB : 4327
Total AVG : .284
Total Hits: 1229
Total HR : 97
Total RBI : 563
Total Runs: 713
Total SB : 368

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Paul O"NEIL
Has some good ratings but is the odd man out in an outfield including Eric Davis, Kal Daniels and Reggie Sanders. I wouldnt be surprised if the Reds deal him in the next year or two.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1985 .265 9 37 138 257 68 9 1 28 2 3 15 56 .305 .412 CIN
1986 .276 6 32 133 250 69 22 0 33 2 4 26 42 .344 .436 CIN
1987 .258 4 26 131 236 61 17 0 21 4 2 24 44 .327 .381 CIN
1988 .236 8 38 136 263 62 11 0 38 2 0 21 53 .292 .369 CIN
1989 .239 8 41 143 301 72 16 0 41 4 0 33 56 .314 .372 CIN
1990 .299 11 51 136 304 91 19 0 38 5 2 33 59 .368 .470 CIN
1991 .288 14 65 145 361 104 23 0 69 4 0 40 72 .359 .468 CIN
1992 .307 12 55 134 300 92 24 0 51 8 4 26 50 .362 .507 CIN
1993 .211 6 42 131 308 65 19 0 40 7 0 29 51 .288 .331 CIN

Total AB : 2580
Total AVG : .265
Total Hits: 684
Total HR : 78
Total RBI : 387
Total Runs: 359
Total SB : 38

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[quote]Originally posted by Rob Hill:
<strong>I'd like to see how a couple of players fared in their careers, namely George Brett, Hal McRae and Steve Brye. Anybody else remember the uproar about Brye and his "playing an out into a hit" that let Brett clinch the batting title on the last day of the 76 season?

Thanks for your recaps, Tiger fan, and keep up the good work!

Rob</strong><hr></blockquote>

Brett's career worked out very similiar to his real life numbers. You would almost think Brye and McRae switched careers in the HOB as McRae wasted most of the best years of his career glued to the Cincinnati bench while Brye had a chance to shine with several teams. Here they are:

George Brett
A certain Hall of Famer, Brett retired following an injury that cost all but 8 games of the 1992 season. His injury prompted the Royals to trade Bo Jackson to Boston for Wade Boggs. As for Brett, he ends his career with the 6th most hits in league history. He was American League rookie of the year in 1973 and while he never won a batting title he did finish second on three occassions.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1973 .312 13 61 140 565 176 31 4 78 20 8 42 51 .359 .450 KCA
1974 .332 18 77 156 624 207 45 4 89 14 9 44 106 .376 .503 KCA,A
1975 .305 15 96 155 604 184 27 4 88 21 8 43 92 .351 .437 KCA
1976 .289 14 91 154 584 169 37 2 87 12 5 48 97 .343 .432 KCA
1977 .346 9 92 159 641 222 42 3 90 18 4 44 109 .388 .463 KCA
1978 .335 15 124 160 644 216 38 8 99 12 6 50 93 .383 .489 KCA,A
1979 .347 12 69 125 487 169 32 2 84 9 3 46 84 .403 .495 KCA,A
1980 .336 15 108 143 568 191 48 3 95 8 2 51 107 .391 .511 KCA,A
1981 .302 18 92 151 629 190 48 1 94 12 3 37 116 .341 .467 KCA,A
1982 .338 7 77 133 527 178 38 4 69 18 3 37 91 .381 .465 KCA
1983 .336 14 109 157 637 214 43 9 87 9 3 43 116 .378 .498 KCA
1984 .288 18 103 156 619 178 45 4 92 10 5 34 110 .325 .460 KCA
1985 .326 22 105 160 647 211 56 6 109 8 7 39 121 .364 .533 KCA,A
1986 .317 16 103 157 596 189 44 8 89 8 5 33 109 .353 .498 KCA,A
1987 .307 21 84 155 605 186 32 10 86 12 5 37 128 .347 .498 KCA
1988 .313 17 77 158 632 198 57 4 84 17 3 24 121 .338 .497 KCA,A
1989 .266 7 66 144 542 144 48 6 66 20 1 40 101 .316 .415 KCA
1990 .288 19 82 154 583 168 33 5 86 13 1 31 127 .324 .460 KCA,A
1991 .284 11 87 149 591 168 40 5 84 16 2 15 163 .302 .425 KCA
1992 .216 1 1 8 37 8 4 0 4 1 0 1 14 .237 .405

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 11362 10349
Total AVG : .314 .305
Total Hits: 3566 3154
Total HR : 282 317
Total RBI : 1704 1595
Total Runs: 1660 1583
Total SB : 258 201

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Hal McRae
McRae was a backup outfielder on the Reds World Championship clubs of 1968 and 1972 as well as the Angels 1979 World Series winner. He moved from Cincinnati to Toronto in the 1977 expansion draft and his only time as a regular was spent with the Blue Jays. Most of the rest of his career was spent pinch hitting. The Jays dealt him to California for a pair of middle infielders named Bruce Christensen and Dave Machemer. He did hit .323 for the Angels in the 1979 postseason.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1968 .275 5 28 123 222 61 13 1 28 3 1 9 25 .303 .410 CIN
1969 .223 4 13 51 103 23 6 0 11 0 0 3 10 .245 .398 CIN
1970 .244 2 13 88 201 49 6 2 13 0 0 6 20 .266 .323 CIN
1971 .244 2 32 105 234 57 12 3 9 2 2 13 19 .283 .346 CIN
1972 .293 2 25 103 229 67 20 0 36 7 4 15 21 .336 .406 CIN
1973 .286 3 34 116 238 68 11 0 22 9 1 17 13 .333 .370 CIN
1974 .318 1 6 25 44 14 3 0 9 1 1 2 5 .348 .455 CIN
1975 .278 0 0 16 18 5 1 0 2 0 1 2 2 .350 .333 CIN
1976 .380 0 11 20 50 19 5 1 6 3 1 2 3 .404 .520 CIN
1977 .259 5 64 158 641 166 33 4 94 12 11 61 43 .323 .346 TOR
1978 .294 6 64 146 599 176 31 2 83 14 9 45 32 .343 .382 TOR
1979 .248 2 65 130 452 112 28 2 54 16 6 34 28 .300 .332 TOR,CAL
1980 .283 4 39 110 357 101 22 3 46 17 5 35 22 .347 .395 CAL

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 3388 7218
Total AVG : .271 .290
Total Hits: 918 2091
Total HR : 36 191
Total RBI : 394 1097
Total Runs: 413 940
Total SB : 84 109

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Steve Brye
Much travelled outfielder played for 6 division winners in his career. He spent a lot of time in the minors in the early-80's as he was unable to crack a strong Milwaukee outfield. He was traded from Minnesota to LA in 1975 for Lee Lacy and SS Ray Busse. The Dodgers dealt him to Texas in 1977 with 2B Rafael Landestoy for 3B Bill Madlock. He was dealt from the Rangers to Milwaukeee in 1980 for CF Dick Davis. In 1986 the Brewers sent him to Pittsburgh with a pair of minor leaguers for reliever Cecilio Guante.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1970 .295 1 22 70 176 52 5 2 23 5 1 10 32 .333 .364 MIN
1971 .298 4 49 144 500 149 22 1 60 5 5 33 51 .341 .370 MIN
1972 .292 4 45 156 633 185 31 0 87 14 7 41 46 .335 .360 MIN
1973 .287 8 74 155 659 189 30 0 85 13 7 49 48 .336 .369 MIN
1974 .266 9 54 151 623 166 35 1 82 6 9 42 35 .313 .369 MIN
1975 .284 6 63 157 606 172 27 2 92 16 7 45 29 .333 .365 MIN,LAN
1976 .265 8 72 158 559 148 28 2 72 6 6 38 31 .312 .365 LAN
1977 .296 5 86 128 500 148 32 1 57 2 6 33 26 .340 .394 LAN,TEX
1978 .291 5 82 157 598 174 27 0 69 8 2 53 33 .349 .361 TEX
1979 .250 3 64 141 535 134 19 2 53 2 10 49 26 .313 .310 TEX
1980 .263 3 63 129 457 120 27 1 53 3 4 26 23 .302 .346 TEX,MIL
1981 .294 3 48 101 344 101 30 1 58 1 6 40 20 .367 .413 MIL
1982 .667 0 0 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .667 .667 MIL
1983 .308 3 34 69 260 80 12 0 38 2 1 22 6 .362 .388 MIL
1984 .264 2 55 129 496 131 35 4 50 4 3 23 21 .297 .363 MIL
1985 .271 10 56 112 421 114 26 0 55 2 3 24 26 .310 .404 MIL
1986 .262 9 72 133 492 129 25 4 56 2 3 28 23 .302 .384 MIL,PIT
1987 .250 3 42 114 328 82 18 0 35 1 1 15 17 .295 .332 PIT

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 8190 1997
Total AVG : .278 .258
Total Hits: 2276 515
Total HR : 86 30
Total RBI : 981 193
Total Runs: 1025 237
Total SB : 92 16

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[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
<strong>I think you've posted him before on the old boards... but how about Joe Jackson... lets see what happened without the Black Sox scandal.. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I was actually just finishing Jackson's bio for my Hall of Fame thread. Here is what he accomplished in the HOB:

Shoeless Joe Jackson
One of the best pure hitters in the history of the game, Jackson won 2 American League batting titles and finished second on 5 occassions. Played for back to back pennant winners for the Senators in 1917=18. He was the Sens first draft picxk, 3rd overall in 1908. (The amateur draft was in effect from 1901-11). An 8 time all star in his career with the Washington Senators (1908-1929).
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1908 .333 0 1 4 3 1 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 .333 .667 WAS
1909 .265 1 21 74 113 30 8 0 15 2 1 8 14 .314 .363 WAS
1910 .277 0 33 117 256 71 18 5 29 11 4 20 22 .330 .387 WAS
1911 .310 5 84 143 504 156 46 14 90 23 6 51 28 .373 .486 WAS
1912 .274 7 90 154 581 159 43 11 84 30 7 63 35 .345 .422 WAS
1913 .304 9 74 150 560 170 32 7 91 27 3 60 42 .371 .434 WAS,A
1914 .333 7 82 150 603 201 40 10 111 20 8 67 35 .400 .468 WAS,A
1915 .358 9 59 132 505 181 29 5 107 26 12 76 32 .442 .489 WAS,A
1916 .306 9 70 150 562 172 35 10 87 24 5 69 37 .382 .452 WAS
1917 .333 9 94 151 567 189 35 14 118 23 7 93 21 .427 .492 WAS,A
1918 .364 10 102 147 571 208 41 23 120 31 11 76 22 .439 .569 WAS,A
1919 .295 4 65 154 579 171 47 10 88 25 9 82 31 .383 .432 WAS,A
1920 .305 7 71 148 531 162 41 8 103 32 11 88 29 .404 .452 WAS
1921 .304 1 61 128 461 140 30 11 77 35 11 59 33 .383 .423 WAS
1922 .328 12 78 147 521 171 28 13 98 27 6 55 35 .392 .501 WAS,A
1923 .297 7 82 149 569 169 34 9 97 33 11 79 29 .383 .425 WAS
1924 .278 8 61 146 515 143 31 13 96 29 6 71 39 .365 .435 WAS
1925 .353 14 96 144 501 177 35 8 126 29 8 67 34 .430 .539 WAS,A
1926 .333 11 99 144 517 172 32 11 121 31 14 73 38 .415 .501 WAS
1927 .332 9 93 150 549 182 28 10 128 37 11 73 41 .410 .468 WAS
1928 .322 7 69 147 518 167 37 4 98 26 14 69 35 .402 .450 WAS
1929 .243 3 12 47 177 43 8 1 28 8 2 33 31 .362 .350 WAS

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 10263 4981
Total AVG : .315 .356
Total Hits: 3235 1772
Total HR : 149 54
Total RBI : 1497 785
Total Runs: 1914 873
Total SB : 529 202

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[quote]Originally posted by Rob Hill:
<strong>Anybody else remember the uproar about Brye and his "playing an out into a hit" that let Brett clinch the batting title on the last day of the 76 season?</strong><hr></blockquote>

As I recall it Brye let a George Brett fly ball drop and there were rumors it was racially motivated. I did a search and <a href="http://www.thebaseballpage.com/past/pp/brettgeorge/brettgeorge_1976race.htm" target="_blank">this web page</a> explains the 1976 batting race in more detail.

[quote]Originally posted by blubbla:
<strong>Someone mentioned Ryne Sandberg, and that reminded me of the team that I first remember, the '84 Cubs. I have a few players from that team that I would like to see the HOB careers of.

1) Bob Dernier, CF
2) Leon Durham, 1B
3) Jody Davis, C
4) Rick Sutcliffe, 1984 Cy Young winner

Thanks for sharing this great replay with us. If I can ever get the league I'm planning off the ground, I will try to follow your lead.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The news isnt good for your favorite Cubs. Only Davis played regularly throughout his career, although he was also the only one to be a Cub in the HOB.

BOB DERNIER
Things just never worked out for Dernier in the HOB. He spent seven seasons in the Phillies organization but never made it to the majors. He had great speed and defense but couldnt hit.

LEON DURHAM
Durham was stuck behind Ken Hernandez to start his career in St Louis. In July of 1988 the Cards gave Durham the job when they dealt Hernandez to Pittsburgh for pitcher Odell Jones. Durham responded with a very poor 1989 season and when he struggled the first half of 1990 the Cards acquired Alvin Davis from Seattle. Durham spent the rest of 1990 in the minors. He fell even further on the depth chart when the Cardinals added Kent Hrbek from the Mets in 1992. By the way, the Mets made Hrbek available because they had picked up Hernandez from Pittsburgh
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1980 .248 5 29 129 254 63 10 2 28 6 0 22 64 .308 .362 SLN
1981 .276 3 38 135 228 63 16 2 38 3 3 24 49 .345 .404 SLN
1982 .294 14 48 145 282 83 10 4 51 7 3 25 62 .352 .507 SLN
1983 .248 5 35 136 214 53 14 0 33 8 2 23 53 .321 .383 SLN
1984 .261 7 24 128 157 41 9 2 23 2 0 15 37 .326 .478 SLN
1985 .349 12 39 122 175 61 15 1 27 2 4 15 43 .400 .651 SLN
1986 .205 4 11 124 166 34 6 3 23 5 3 23 39 .302 .349 SLN
1987 .285 8 45 129 256 73 13 4 38 7 3 21 50 .339 .461 SLN
1988 .278 18 67 148 356 99 19 6 57 6 7 48 86 .364 .517 SLN
1989 .244 17 84 159 577 141 36 7 79 16 5 79 147 .335 .419 SLN
1990 .206 12 45 112 354 73 21 3 38 4 4 30 79 .268 .384 SLN
1991 .149 1 4 69 67 10 0 1 6 1 1 5 21 .208 .224 SLN
1992 .179 1 5 30 28 5 1 1 4 0 0 4 9 .281 .393 SLN
1993 .250 0 1 14 12 3 1 0 3 0 0 1 2 .308 .333 SLN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 3126 3587
Total AVG : .257 .277
Total Hits: 802 992
Total HR : 107 147
Total RBI : 475 530
Total Runs: 448 522
Total SB : 67 106

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JODY DAVIS
A collision at home plate in 1990 caused Davis to miss 5 weeks with a broken leg but his career was already on the downside. He had a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs but by 1993 was sharing the catching duties with Joe Girardi and Hector Villaneuva. Davis is now 36 years old. His career numbers are virtually identical to what he did in real life.

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1981 .264 7 27 91 182 48 12 0 26 1 0 19 29 .333 .445 CHN
1982 .264 5 23 132 276 73 13 0 33 1 0 20 75 .314 .366 CHN
1983 .255 11 54 127 396 101 14 2 45 0 1 29 75 .306 .384 CHN
1984 .241 10 40 118 257 62 10 0 27 0 0 21 64 .299 .397 CHN
1985 .252 18 62 119 373 94 14 0 40 3 0 29 77 .306 .434 CHN
1986 .230 12 43 116 305 70 19 0 28 0 0 23 59 .284 .410 CHN
1987 .228 7 35 111 268 61 9 0 29 2 0 27 54 .298 .340 CHN
1988 .230 11 65 151 504 116 20 0 39 1 0 42 106 .289 .335 CHN
1989 .163 12 45 134 441 72 12 0 33 1 0 29 103 .215 .272 CHN
1990 .246 8 29 82 195 48 10 0 21 1 0 10 45 .283 .421 CHN
1991 .258 7 34 91 291 75 10 0 27 1 1 13 59 .289 .364 CHN
1992 .211 1 7 28 71 15 3 0 5 0 0 5 14 .263 .296 CHN
1993 .247 4 27 72 146 36 4 0 23 2 0 14 31 .331 .356 CHN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 3705 3585
Total AVG : .235 .245
Total Hits: 871 877
Total HR : 113 127
Total RBI : 491 490
Total Runs: 376 364
Total SB : 13 7

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RICK SUTCLIFFE
Too much depth in Los Angeles robbed Sutcliffe of an HOB career. Here are the other starters the Dodgers had in the early 80's: Sid Fernandez, Bob Welch, Orel Hersheiser, Fernando Valenzuela, Charlie Hough, Doug Rau, Dave Stewart, Rick Rhoden, Don Sutton. Sutcliffe retired in 1990 after pitching just 16 major league games.

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1977 6.75 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.1 1 2 0 LAN
1978 2.45 0 1 0 3 0 0 3.2 1 3 3 LAN
1979 4.03 1 2 0 8 0 0 29.0 13 17 10 LAN
1980 4.50 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.0 1 0 0 LAN
1981 9.00 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 1 2 2 LAN
1982 0.00 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 LAN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 4.03 4.08
Total Wins : 1 171
Total Losses: 3 139
Total Saves : 0 6
Total SHO : 0 18
Total CG : 0 72
Total K's : 15 1679
Total BB's : 24 1081

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Ouch. I suspected Dernier wouldn't amount to much, and I figured that Davis would probably be the same as real life, but I forgot Durham and Sutcliffe began in deep organizations. It's a shame the HOB never dealt them.

Favorite PLayers (wondering how they are faring)

Jose Rijo, Bobby Witt and Reggie jackson

How about my favorite player, Jose Canseco? And what about ESPN analyst Brian McRae?


Thanks

Here are the requested players from today.

JOSE RIJO
As a 19 year old rookie Rijo won 13 games and appeared destined for a long career in the HOB. However, many a young arm has burned out and left unfufilled expecatations. Jose Rijo's did just that. In 1985 he suffered three different injuries in the final two months of the season. He still won 11 games but a back injury in late September effectively ended his career. His ratings dropped the following spring from 8's across the board to 4's and 5's. At 21 he was washed up. I can only guess the back injury forced him to alter his windup and he lost velocity for he was simply not the same pitcher he had been before the back injury. He has kicked around the Yankee farm system but after winning 24 games before his 21st birthday he has won just one in the 8 years since.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1984 4.28 13 9 0 32 2 0 225.0 107 87 200 NYA
1985 4.30 11 7 0 23 1 1 140.1 67 67 131 NYA
1986 5.26 0 6 0 8 1 0 51.1 30 34 34 NYA
1987 0.00 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.1 0 0 1 NYA
1988 6.75 1 1 0 8 0 0 18.2 14 10 13 NYA
1989 1.59 0 0 0 4 0 0 5.2 1 2 5 NYA
1990 6.38 0 3 0 7 0 0 24.0 17 16 22 NYA
1991 7.04 0 2 0 6 0 0 15.1 12 7 13 NYA
1992 in minors NYA
1993 2.25 0 0 0 8 0 0 12.0 3 9 8 NYA

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 4.58 3.15
Total Wins : 25 111
Total Losses: 28 87
Total Saves : 0 3
Total SHO : 1 4
Total CG : 4 22
Total K's : 427 1568
Total BB's : 232 643

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BOBBY WITT
Witt has outstanding potential but, at 29, he has still not lived up to it. Part of his problem is the amount of talent in the Rangers rotation.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1988 2.25 0 0 0 2 0 0 4.0 1 3 2 TEX
1989 7.41 2 3 1 16 0 0 37.2 31 23 36 TEX
1990 1.17 2 1 0 10 0 0 30.2 4 20 24 TEX
1991 6.19 1 1 2 13 0 0 16.0 11 8 14 TEX
1992 6.69 6 6 0 27 0 0 72.2 54 40 82 TEX
1993 4.69 4 2 0 28 0 0 80.2 42 43 86 TEX

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 5.34 4.83
Total Wins : 15 142
Total Losses: 13 157
Total Saves : 3 0
Total SHO : 0 11
Total CG : 0 47
Total K's : 244 1955
Total BB's : 137 1375

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REGGIE JACKSON
One of the greatest home run hitters in the HOB, Reggie was a two time American League MVP. He went 12-for-35 on the biggest stage but sadly never hit a World Series homer. The A's did win two World Championships with Reggie, 1970 and 1975. Only 15 players have hit more homers in the HOB than Reggie's 584.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1967 .220 28 91 159 599 132 19 2 92 11 11 71 189 .303 .399 KC1
1968 .217 28 64 156 563 122 16 4 95 4 6 60 186 .292 .409 OAK
1969 .269 32 106 158 590 159 28 1 114 21 4 78 177 .355 .483 OAK
1970 .243 32 103 159 608 148 27 5 107 13 7 76 202 .327 .462 OAK
1971 .240 31 102 160 596 143 37 0 114 10 7 74 172 .324 .458 OAK
1972 .241 28 69 155 609 147 34 2 112 15 4 72 199 .322 .442 OAK
1973 .238 19 67 118 458 109 24 1 59 8 6 51 140 .314 .419 OAK
1974 .265 26 74 143 551 146 26 0 108 17 5 79 172 .357 .454 OAK
1975 .311 37 120 155 586 182 38 3 116 21 9 79 152 .392 .575 OAK,A
1976 .314 33 107 159 621 195 41 0 108 15 8 85 170 .397 .539 OAK,A
1977 .316 42 99 154 580 183 34 1 123 15 5 82 168 .400 .595 OAK,A
1978 .266 28 91 157 617 164 36 0 100 18 6 65 183 .336 .460 OAK
1979 .293 33 101 158 608 178 37 4 106 13 3 83 168 .378 .530 OAK
1980 .305 30 91 158 603 184 35 2 96 18 6 70 154 .377 .519 OAK,A
1981 .293 34 103 155 604 177 25 4 105 25 8 82 147 .378 .517 OAK
1982 .306 34 101 131 503 154 22 3 101 9 4 80 127 .401 .565 OAK
1983 .302 32 119 154 587 177 33 2 117 14 3 107 133 .409 .528 OAK,A
1984 .281 21 103 156 577 162 43 5 97 8 5 83 157 .371 .482 OAK
1985 .266 29 82 157 575 153 30 1 92 5 2 69 171 .345 .473 OAK
1986 .227 7 22 45 154 35 8 0 24 0 0 24 45 .331 .416 OAK

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 11189 9864
Total AVG : .273 .262
Total Hits: 3050 2584
Total HR : 584 563
Total RBI : 1815 1702
Total Runs: 1986 1551
Total SB : 260 228

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JOSE CANSECO
Mark McGwire has been the more successful Bash Brother, but Jose is coming off a career year in 1993. He appears fully recovered from the nightmare year of 1991 when he suffered a fractured skull after being hit by a pitch in April. He returned to the lineup at the end of June only to be beaned again. He missed a couple of weeks with blurred vision and it clearly affected him mentally in 1992 when he had the worst season of his career. At 28, his best years are ahead of him if he can stay healthy. He seems to be well on pace to duplicating his real life numbers.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1985 .249 27 89 137 503 125 21 1 77 16 3 49 163 .315 .455 OAK
1986 .250 37 96 159 605 151 18 0 92 13 12 64 172 .321 .463 OAK
1987 .225 20 70 155 570 128 29 0 76 15 7 58 141 .296 .381 OAK
1988 .242 21 79 130 480 116 26 0 68 9 6 55 144 .320 .427 OAK
1989 .243 33 96 159 614 149 24 0 97 9 9 62 151 .312 .443 OAK,A
1990 .241 29 92 155 601 145 34 0 99 8 4 56 162 .306 .443 OAK
1991 .272 18 50 87 349 95 11 0 61 10 4 36 96 .340 .458 OAK
1992 .205 21 80 152 572 117 29 0 74 13 11 64 171 .285 .365 OAK
1993 .281 33 106 134 487 137 28 0 103 12 5 64 130 .386 .542 OAK

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 4781 7057
Total AVG : .243 .266
Total Hits: 1163 1877
Total HR : 239 462
Total RBI : 758 1407
Total Runs: 747 1186
Total SB : 105 200

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BRIAN MCRAE
The 26 year old McRae has yet to earn a regular job in the Kansas City outfield. With Royals legend Clint Hurdle along with Al Martin and Jeff Conine ahead of him, it may be a while before McRae will start regularly. McRae was actually given the centerfield job midway through 1992 when Bo Jackson was traded to the Red Sox for Wade Boggs but the Royals were concerned he couldnt yet handle it so they added Al Martin from Pittsburgh in May of 1993.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1990 .313 2 13 51 131 41 7 2 29 8 5 8 24 .353 .443 KCA
1991 .255 1 7 25 55 14 2 0 9 2 0 8 11 .349 .345 KCA
1992 .221 1 24 75 281 62 14 6 38 14 8 22 58 .277 .324 KCA
1993 .299 5 27 86 254 76 13 6 42 19 7 23 44 .371 .457 KCA

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 721 5114
Total AVG : .268 .261
Total Hits: 193 1336
Total HR : 9 103
Total RBI : 71 532
Total Runs: 118 734
Total SB : 43 196

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[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]</p>

Okay, another request from me :) ... how about the Yankee flamethrower with the coke bottle glasses Ryen Duren (spelling could be wrong), negro league star and MLB pitcher in his later years Satchel Paige, and highly touted 60's bonus babies Rich Reichardt (Angels) and Bob Bailey (Pirates).

[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew:
<strong>Okay, another request from me :) ... how about the Yankee flamethrower with the coke bottle glasses Ryen Duren (spelling could be wrong), negro league star and MLB pitcher in his later years Satchel Paige, and highly touted 60's bonus babies Rich Reichardt (Angels) and Bob Bailey (Pirates).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now we are back into the era of my league I enjoyed the most 1950-70

RYNE DUREN
Duren never became a Yankee in the HOB since he began his career with the Browns. He was a decent reliever for the Orioles and helped them win 3 straight World Championships from 1960-62. In the 3 World Series he pitched a total of 4 scoreless innings (Orioles starters went the distance a lot at that time), won 1 game and saved 2 others including Game 7 of the 1962 series.

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1954 2.59 1 2 16 27 0 0 31.1 9 21 36 SLA,A
1955 2.45 6 0 11 23 0 0 29.1 8 15 33 BAL,A
1956 4.56 4 5 10 22 0 0 23.2 12 20 25 BAL,A
1957 1.53 6 3 11 24 0 0 29.1 5 23 30 BAL
1958 2.25 4 2 14 28 0 0 32.0 8 21 26 BAL,A
1959 2.27 4 4 15 30 0 0 31.2 8 15 34 BAL
1960 1.83 4 1 19 36 0 0 39.1 8 31 44 BAL
1961 5.29 5 5 17 32 0 0 34.0 20 28 41 BAL
1962 3.22 6 7 49 77 0 0 78.1 28 46 101 BAL
1963 3.61 8 8 40 79 0 0 87.1 35 71 108 BAL
1964 2.43 4 7 35 64 0 0 70.1 19 36 85 BAL
1965 6.46 0 0 4 17 0 0 15.1 11 19 18 BAL

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 3.07 3.83
Total Wins : 52 27
Total Losses: 44 44
Total Saves : 241 57
Total SHO : 0 1
Total CG : 0 2
Total K's : 581 630
Total BB's : 346 392

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SATCHEL PAIGE
Paige was 42 when he made his debut and was retired at the end of that season. In hindsight I likely should have lowered his age a bit so he could pitch a few seasons since in real life he pitched until he was 46. (He also pitched one game for the KC A's in 1965 at the age of 58 but that was likely a Charlie O'Finley publicity stunt like playing Campy at every position)

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1948 3.00 0 0 0 8 0 0 9.0 3 5 5 CLE

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 3.00 3.29
Total Wins : 0 28
Total Losses: 0 31
Total Saves : 0 4
Total SHO : 0 7
Total CG : 0 26
Total K's : 5 290
Total BB's : 5 183

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RICK REICHARDT
Was having an average career for the Angels until they traded for Mickey Stanley late in 1969. Reichardt lost his job with the arrival of Stanley and rookie Mickey Rivers the following season. He saw limited major league action after that but overall his career mirrored his real life numbers quite well.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1964 .216 10 64 144 523 113 22 1 57 1 1 28 126 .256 .319 LAA
1965 .209 16 53 149 537 112 21 0 54 8 1 35 116 .257 .337 LAA
1966 .237 13 64 146 518 123 17 2 58 4 2 41 117 .293 .353 CAL
1967 .225 14 61 142 503 113 18 1 55 7 4 29 109 .267 .348 CAL
1968 .272 18 77 160 548 149 12 1 65 1 6 41 134 .323 .396 CAL
1969 .263 6 23 108 160 42 8 0 20 2 1 13 32 .318 .425 CAL
1970 .167 0 1 11 6 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .167 .167 CAL
1971 .300 1 4 23 30 9 0 0 3 0 0 0 8 .300 .400 CAL
1972 .182 1 5 25 55 10 1 0 6 1 1 1 19 .196 .255 CAL
1973 .265 2 17 50 136 36 7 0 15 1 2 7 30 .301 .360 CAL
1974 .268 7 18 50 123 33 3 0 22 2 2 6 26 .302 .463 CAL
1975 .242 11 54 127 396 96 12 1 52 3 7 32 75 .299 .361 CAL
1976 .278 2 3 19 18 5 0 0 3 0 0 0 5 .278 .611 CAL
1977 1.00 0 0 2 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1.00 1.00 CAL
1978 .224 11 45 106 361 81 8 2 38 4 2 23 76 .271 .349 CAL
1979 .000 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 CAL

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 3916 3307
Total AVG : .236 .261
Total Hits: 924 864
Total HR : 112 116
Total RBI : 489 445
Total Runs: 450 391
Total SB : 35 40

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BOB BAILEY
A personal favorite of mine from his days with the Expos, Bailey enjoyed some decent years in the HOB, partiuclarily in 1971. However, there always seemed to be someone better to take his job. Right around the time he was ready to repalce Gene Freese as the Pirates third baseman Richie Hebner came along. The arrival of Hebner in 1968 pretty much ended Bailey's chances of ever becoming the Pirates third baseman. He was dealt to Atlanta in 1969 for pitcher Bob Sadowski. In 1971 Darrell Evans hit his prime so it was time for Bailey to leave Atlanta. In May of 1971 he was dealt to San Diego for OF Alex Johnson. But by 1974 another young third baseman, Bill Sudakis, had taken his job. He was dealt to the Cubs with SS Hector Torres for Dave Kingman, where he finished his career.
Bailey missed the Cubs World Series year of 1973 by one season so the closest he got to playoff action was going 0-for-2 in a 1 game playoff to decide the NL East in 1981.

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1962 .303 1 5 15 33 10 2 0 4 0 0 1 5 .324 .455 PIT
1963 .364 2 6 13 11 4 0 0 4 1 0 3 3 .500 .909 PIT
1964 .333 0 0 2 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .333 .333 PIT
1965 .438 0 2 15 16 7 3 0 3 0 0 2 2 .500 .625 PIT
1967 .320 1 5 7 25 8 1 0 2 0 1 1 6 .346 .480 PIT
1968 .237 4 19 62 194 46 11 2 22 2 1 22 42 .315 .376 PIT,ATL
1969 .297 7 53 157 536 159 15 0 70 10 4 53 123 .360 .364 ATL
1970 .254 3 44 157 520 132 15 2 45 3 6 63 93 .334 .308 ATL
1971 .316 12 68 150 494 156 23 0 69 6 8 54 111 .383 .435 ATL,SDN
1972 .262 9 68 160 564 148 25 1 82 7 6 94 120 .368 .358 SDN
1973 .278 9 43 128 324 90 17 0 44 6 4 55 63 .383 .414 SDN
1974 .268 11 65 156 553 148 22 0 75 6 7 81 116 .361 .367 SDN,CHN
1975 .294 11 57 158 548 161 31 2 75 11 10 88 98 .392 .418 CHN
1976 .285 11 74 156 537 153 15 2 68 4 9 96 89 .393 .382 CHN
1977 .257 3 56 160 560 144 29 2 67 15 9 88 88 .358 .332 CHN
1978 .264 9 54 155 531 140 24 2 60 7 9 78 93 .358 .367 CHN
1979 .291 4 47 122 251 73 11 2 29 4 4 34 43 .375 .398 CHN
1980 .293 6 57 150 468 137 21 1 51 13 5 51 77 .362 .380 CHN
1981 .278 9 70 159 546 152 22 1 51 8 10 58 76 .348 .372 CHN
1982 .250 10 61 158 533 133 14 0 60 4 5 64 81 .330 .332 CHN
1983 .177 2 9 41 124 22 0 0 6 2 1 12 17 .250 .226 CHN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 7374 6082
Total AVG : .275 .257
Total Hits: 2025 1564
Total HR : 124 189
Total RBI : 863 773
Total Runs: 887 772
Total SB : 109 85

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Hi I'd like to know how Gene Brabender faired in his career. I know he's been mentioned before as having some terrible years but he's of particular interest of me because his nephew played on my high school team and is a phenomenal young pitcher and another nephew of his played another team and was really good too.

Thanks

Gene Brabender had a longer career in the HOB than he did in real life. He had some decent success late in his career after a terrible beginning. Even the terrible seasons are not all his fault. He had decent ratings but was on an awful team. However, because of the 1971 season and a trade for a future MVP I followed his career very closely.

Gene Brabender
Only Clarence Winters of the 1932 Red Sox has lost more games in a single season than the 27 Brabender lost for the 1971 Brewers.

Brabender began his career with Baltimore but was unable to crack the Orioles lineup. Just like in real life he was made eligible for the 1969 expansion draft and was selected by the Seattle Pilots. He had a decent year in Seattle tying for the club lead with 9 victories. In 1970 the franchise shifted to Milwaukee and he was the Brewers number 1 starter. The club won just 45 games that season and did even worse in 1971, winning just 34 times. Brabender went 1-27 but his 5.70 era was second best among the Brewers 5 main starters. Teammates Bo Belinsky (3-22) and Jim Slaton (6-21) also lost 20 that season. Brabender's only win that season was a 2-hit complete game shutout of Washington in May.
In 1972 the Brewers shifted to the East Division with the transfer of the Washington franchise to Texas. Brabender was dealt to San Diego on opening day with 3B Ron Clark and 2B John Donaldson for 1B Nate Colbert. San Diego fans were outraged. Colbert was the only Padres player ever to make the allstar team and coming off a career year in 1971 (.314,30,107). It is still remembered as the worst trade in Padres history since Colbert would go on to win 4 MVP awards after the Brewers dealt him to Los Angeles.
Although he will always be remembered for his 1-27 season and was never fully accepted in San Diego do to being traded for Colbert, Brabender did enjoy some modest success with the Padres. He won a career high 16 games in 1977.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1966 7.50 0 0 0 7 0 0 12.0 10 4 12 BAL
1967 0.00 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.1 0 0 1 BAL
1968 0.00 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.0 0 1 0 BAL
1969 4.79 9 13 0 29 1 0 191.2 102 81 163 SE1
1970 4.86 6 14 0 25 2 0 170.1 92 80 147 MIL
1971 5.70 1 27 0 33 5 1 213.1 135 76 200 MIL
1972 5.65 8 17 0 29 4 0 200.2 126 69 161 MIL,SDN
1973 4.25 7 12 0 29 4 1 214.0 101 75 146 SDN
1974 5.64 6 18 0 26 2 0 178.2 112 64 142 SDN
1975 3.93 13 12 0 32 4 0 233.2 102 80 163 SDN
1976 4.28 13 13 0 32 7 1 229.1 109 68 184 SDN
1977 4.25 16 17 0 33 6 1 243.2 115 75 193 SDN
1978 3.38 12 12 0 33 5 1 234.2 88 58 152 SDN
1979 4.90 9 15 0 28 3 1 194.2 106 54 144 SDN
1980 9.45 0 1 0 11 0 0 13.1 14 6 10 SDN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 4.68 4.25
Total Wins : 100 35
Total Losses: 171 43
Total Saves : 0 6
Total SHO : 6 4
Total CG : 43 15
Total K's : 1818 440
Total BB's : 791 282

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Being a huge Pirate fan I was curious about Dave Parker and Ralph Kiner. Also did C Vic Correll ever do anything in HOB?

I'd like to see what happened in the HOB with regards to Herb Score, JR Richard, and Whitey Herzog. The first two because injuries/health took them out in their prime and Whitey, well, he's my favorite manager of all time! Thanks!

Here are today's requested players:

Dave Parker
Parker has a shot at the HOB Hall of Fame. He retired following the 1992 season. He was on 6 division winning teams but all 6 lost in the LCS. He was never an allstar but was always a consistant outfielder.
As for his trade history in June of 1978 the Brewers gave up P Bill Castro and SS Fred Stanley to acquire Parker. At the deadline in 1981 Milwaukee sent Parker to LA for 1B Pedro Guerrero. In 1986 the Dodgers moved him to Oakland so they could reacquire 1B Steve Garvey from the A's.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1973 .273 0 5 20 33 9 3 0 1 0 0 0 8 .273 .364 PIT
1974 .256 0 9 21 39 10 4 1 5 0 0 3 5 .310 .410 PIT
1975 .384 5 32 50 112 43 6 0 17 4 1 9 15 .430 .571 PIT
1976 .299 10 60 143 331 99 19 3 49 4 1 16 62 .331 .465 PIT
1977 .329 13 71 122 410 135 26 4 64 7 2 27 78 .371 .507 PIT
1978 .302 12 78 147 493 149 28 1 84 4 4 40 77 .355 .436 PIT,MIL
1979 .307 16 83 153 577 177 21 6 86 3 2 53 95 .365 .447 MIL
1980 .313 19 106 144 550 172 36 2 95 4 8 46 115 .366 .489 MIL
1981 .303 15 109 154 597 181 30 6 71 4 6 45 119 .352 .449 MIL,LAN
1982 .324 15 85 153 589 191 30 2 85 6 5 47 109 .374 .458 LAN
1983 .331 16 109 160 619 205 39 3 97 9 6 41 115 .373 .481 LAN
1984 .293 8 74 149 543 159 30 3 53 7 4 36 111 .337 .403 LAN
1985 .294 13 74 156 511 150 29 3 69 1 1 51 83 .358 .438 LAN
1986 .295 17 61 136 455 134 32 6 56 0 1 52 69 .367 .503 LAN,OAK
1987 .285 22 79 148 513 146 28 4 76 2 0 49 79 .347 .483 OAK
1988 .289 15 83 145 471 136 21 5 68 0 0 51 82 .358 .450 OAK
1989 .294 15 81 141 470 138 25 2 71 2 0 49 83 .360 .451 OAK
1990 .258 10 48 98 322 83 12 0 34 4 4 21 56 .303 .388 OAK
1991 .287 7 38 91 289 83 9 0 37 6 4 23 64 .340 .391 OAK

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 7924 9358
Total AVG : .303 .290
Total Hits: 2400 2712
Total HR : 228 339
Total RBI : 1285 1493
Total Runs: 1118 1272
Total SB : 67 154

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Ralph Kiner
Kiner holds the Pirates team record for homers in a season with 53 in 1950. The HOB Hall of Famer led the National League in homers on two occassions and was a 6 time allstar outfielder. He played on 3 pennant winning teams and was National League MVP in 1950.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1946 .222 1 4 20 27 6 0 0 2 0 0 1 5 .250 .333 PIT
1947 .249 23 82 114 381 95 12 5 65 7 0 57 59 .347 .488 PIT
1948 .262 37 127 153 554 145 21 9 116 13 0 95 41 .370 .532 PIT,N
1949 .262 36 128 152 558 146 30 3 117 3 0 95 33 .369 .520 PIT,N
1950 .267 53 156 147 544 145 32 2 119 14 2 71 26 .351 .625 PIT,N
1951 .267 29 104 150 547 146 25 1 99 11 3 100 24 .380 .475 PIT
1952 .264 41 104 152 571 151 20 0 116 12 3 95 29 .369 .515 PIT,N
1953 .251 31 86 151 562 141 18 3 94 11 4 87 40 .351 .459 PIT
1954 .272 28 89 151 555 151 28 1 104 11 1 96 45 .379 .477 PIT
1955 .266 31 97 150 549 146 24 5 102 7 1 101 39 .380 .497 PIT
1956 .245 23 81 151 547 134 30 1 88 10 0 94 22 .356 .430 PIT
1957 .260 42 102 149 577 150 20 5 92 15 0 77 36 .347 .530 PIT,N
1958 .275 40 94 147 542 149 17 2 94 7 0 81 44 .369 .535 PIT
1959 .257 39 109 149 522 134 21 4 102 11 1 103 39 .379 .536 PIT,N
1960 .274 26 82 150 543 149 21 4 78 1 0 74 52 .361 .471 PIT
1961 .201 29 73 148 492 99 5 0 64 2 1 57 62 .284 .388 PIT
1962 .265 2 11 20 68 18 0 0 8 0 0 4 11 .306 .353 PIT

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 8139 5205
Total AVG : .259 .279
Total Hits: 2105 1451
Total HR : 511 369
Total RBI : 1529 1015
Total Runs: 1460 971
Total SB : 135 22

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Vic Correll
Vic Correll never played a game in the HOB major leagues. He was in the Boston system buried behind Carlton Fisk, Jerry Moses and Bob Montgomery. Later the Red Sox would also have Ed Ott and Bo Diaz as catchers. Correll retired following the 1976 season.

Herb Score
Score played on some very bad Cleveland Indians teams and made his only allstar appearance in 1962. In 1956 Score missed 2 months with a fractured elbow. The elbow would affect him throughout his career as he missed time in 1957, 1961 and 1970. Each time the injury was elbow related. The 1957 injury was the most troubling as it came in the middle of what could have been the best season of his career. His ratings dipped slightly after that injury and did not return to normal until 1962.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1955 5.83 12 13 0 30 3 0 199.0 129 145 242 CLE
1956 5.39 8 8 0 20 3 1 120.1 72 80 161 CLE
1957 3.16 12 4 0 25 0 0 179.2 63 112 246 CLE
1958 4.71 13 13 0 30 2 0 204.1 107 130 289 CLE
1959 4.62 7 15 0 31 6 2 222.0 114 141 302 CLE
1960 4.93 12 9 0 31 7 0 219.0 120 134 318 CLE
1961 4.44 9 8 0 24 4 0 178.1 88 119 224 CLE
1962 3.46 18 10 0 33 3 1 241.2 93 137 301 CLE,A
1963 3.75 13 12 0 33 2 0 242.2 101 132 294 CLE
1964 4.41 8 18 0 32 5 0 222.2 109 137 268 CLE
1965 3.41 11 12 0 32 4 3 232.0 88 136 270 CLE
1966 4.85 6 14 0 29 2 0 204.1 110 127 228 CLE
1967 3.46 11 10 0 31 4 0 223.2 86 126 252 CLE
1968 4.45 11 18 0 33 4 0 226.1 112 144 252 CLE
1969 4.51 14 12 0 33 1 1 227.1 114 144 270 CLE
1970 3.83 11 7 0 25 1 0 176.1 75 117 193 CLE
1971 4.50 12 6 0 26 3 0 142.0 71 87 126 CLE

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 4.30 3.36
Total Wins : 188 55
Total Losses: 189 46
Total Saves : 0 3
Total SHO : 8 11
Total CG : 54 47
Total K's : 4236 837
Total BB's : 2148 573

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JR Richard
Probably the most asked about player from the HOB, Richard's career in this league shows what he might have accomplished had he not had a career ending stoke at age 30. He won back to back Smilin' Mickey Welch Awards as the National League's top hurler in 1983-84. He narrowly lost out in the 1971 NL rookie of the year race to Los Angeles pitcher Charlie Hough. Richard started and won the 1977 allstar game, pitching 3 scoreless innings and allowing just one hit. He never pitched in a postseason game as the Astros finished as high as second in the NL West only once in his career. He holds virtually every Houston club pitching record and ranks 13th alltime with 278 career victories. Only 8 players in the HOB have struck out more than the 4046 batters he fanned in his career. He threw 3 no-hitters in his career - at Montreal in 1972, in St Louis in 1974 and at San Francisco in 1980. They were the first 3 no-hitters in Astros history.

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CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1971 3.04 16 9 0 33 8 4 245.1 83 103 227 HOU
1972 3.67 15 8 0 33 5 1 242.2 99 113 231 HOU
1973 2.71 15 12 0 33 5 2 245.2 74 98 240 HOU
1974 2.33 18 9 0 33 8 2 258.2 67 92 222 HOU
1975 3.37 13 10 0 33 5 2 248.1 93 91 212 HOU
1976 3.61 16 9 0 33 4 2 244.1 98 100 224 HOU
1977 2.85 20 9 0 33 8 3 252.2 80 83 228 HOU,N
1978 3.45 13 8 0 25 3 1 182.2 70 67 173 HOU
1979 3.01 16 13 0 33 9 3 254.1 85 81 215 HOU
1980 2.73 8 9 0 24 4 1 178.0 54 62 146 HOU
1981 3.67 15 10 0 30 8 2 228.0 93 72 198 HOU
1982 3.52 14 7 0 30 4 2 202.0 79 71 175 HOU
1983 2.81 19 5 0 32 3 1 227.0 71 97 202 HOU,N
1984 2.90 18 9 0 32 6 3 229.1 74 84 208 HOU
1985 3.17 13 9 0 29 1 0 190.1 67 57 198 HOU
1986 2.87 10 5 0 23 3 1 159.2 51 57 180 HOU
1987 3.23 18 6 0 32 1 0 225.2 81 88 227 HOU,N
1988 4.21 7 14 0 31 1 0 188.1 88 87 200 HOU
1989 4.47 7 11 0 25 1 0 153.0 76 55 162 HOU
1990 5.71 3 16 0 30 0 0 159.1 101 101 147 HOU
1991 7.38 4 6 0 14 0 0 61.0 50 39 31 HOU

HOB REAL LIFE
Total ERA : 3.36 3.15
Total Wins : 278 107
Total Losses: 194 71
Total Saves : 0 0
Total SHO : 30 19
Total CG : 87 76
Total K's : 4046 1493
Total BB's : 1698 770

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Whitey Herzog
A backup for well over a decade with the Senators/Twins organization. Herzog's HOB career was quite similiar to what he did in real life, except he stayed in the HOB as a player for 6 years longer than he did in real life.
He broke in as a 24 year old rookie and became the Sens everyday rightfielder in 1956. An injury early in 1957 cost him his starting job to Jim Busby and Herzog would rarely appear in the majors until the mid-sixties.
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CAREER STATS :

YEAR AVG HR RBI G AB H 2B 3B R SB CS BB K OBP SLG TEAMS
1956 .251 6 39 107 354 89 17 1 41 1 6 43 59 .332 .356 WS1
1957 .266 0 6 23 79 21 2 0 8 0 0 7 15 .326 .291 WS1
1958 .344 2 5 18 64 22 5 0 8 1 2 8 10 .417 .516 WS1
1959 .250 0 0 11 28 7 1 0 5 0 1 2 4 .300 .286 WS1
1960 .000 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 WS2
1961 .000 0 0 8 9 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 3 .250 .000 MIN
1962 .220 1 7 48 82 18 5 0 12 3 0 19 23 .366 .317 MIN
1963 .252 3 21 114 218 55 11 3 28 1 3 32 43 .348 .372 MIN
1964 .306 1 13 48 85 26 2 0 6 1 1 14 19 .404 .365 MIN
1965 .266 3 25 116 368 98 15 1 45 5 7 53 82 .359 .337 MIN
1966 .251 9 43 122 414 104 14 1 49 6 5 67 106 .356 .355 MIN
1967 .312 5 24 60 154 48 3 1 29 1 1 23 26 .401 .442 MIN
1968 .236 3 13 48 140 33 8 0 20 0 2 14 32 .305 .357 MIN
1969 .281 8 48 112 359 101 22 0 65 7 4 48 94 .366 .409 MIN

HOB REAL LIFE
Total AB : 2354 1614
Total AVG : .264 .257
Total Hits: 622 414
Total HR : 41 25
Total RBI : 244 172
Total Runs: 317 213
Total SB : 26 13

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TigerFan

Great job!!! Keep up the good work. How about Norm Siebern or Jerry Lumpe from the early 60's A's? And how about your boy Mark "The Bird" Fidrych?