ML Strikeout Record in 1st ML start

lgkeeper · 06-15-2003, 02:35 PM

In my Giants career, Jesse Foppert struck out 21 batters in his Major League debut as a starter. Due to injuries, I had brought him up to play long relief, but he got a spot start and - to say the least - made the most of it. If somone could tell me how to upload the boxscore, I'll post it. But here are his numbers:

IP - 9
H - 10
R - 4
ER - 4
BB - 1
K - 21
PI - 161
PS - 101

Anonymous Ghost · 06-15-2003, 02:40 PM

161 pitches for a 22 year-old in his first MLB start?

Even Torborg would blush.

lgkeeper · 06-15-2003, 06:41 PM

When he got to 130 he had 18 Ks with one out in the eighth. That's when he got fatigued, but he only allowed 2 hits and one run from that point on. We had an 8-run lead, so I left him in to see if he'd get the record.

El Caballo · 06-15-2003, 07:34 PM

Wow, the most that I ever saw was Randy Johnson, who got 20 for me in a historical league I imported that started in 1997. He got 20 in his first start of the year.

lgkeeper · 06-16-2003, 11:08 PM

Well, I'm sad to report that, after just 6 ML starts, Jesse Foppert blew out his arm and was forced to retire. His final career numbers -

10 G
6 GS
3-2 W-L
1 Sv
4.68 ERA
32.2 IP
35 H
17 R
8 BB
44 K
.265 avg agaist.
1.32 WHIP

And...the ML record with 21 Ks in one game.

Now, the question has to be asked: Did his long outing (161 pitches) earlier factor into his career-ending injury?

What do you think?

AsTrOFaN · 06-16-2003, 11:28 PM

Yeah. What was his endurance rating>?

General Mike · 06-17-2003, 05:00 AM

Yeah, you blew his arm out. I don't let any of my young pitchers pitch more then 100 pitches their 1st 2 seasons or until their 26, which ever comes first.

JAttractive · 06-17-2003, 07:04 AM

Does the game really simulate that beyond just tiring the guy? Somehow I think it is in an unfortunate coincidence but then again I don't try to blow them out either to test my theory

Anonymous Ghost · 06-17-2003, 07:15 AM

JA, I believe that the game is programmed where injuries are more likely to occur when a pitcher is tired than when he's rested. I'm not sure if there's some sort of PAP system whereby an accumulation of IP while fatigued will increase the chance of a devastating injury.

My guess is that if lgkeeper would keep him past 130 in a blowout, then this probably wasn't the first time Foppert had been pitched well beyond 100 pitches. That pattern of usage, combined with the 160+ pitch day, would increase the likelihood of a catestrophic injury.

06-15-2003, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,112 Thanks: 10 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	ML Strikeout Record in 1st ML start In my Giants career, Jesse Foppert struck out 21 batters in his Major League debut as a starter. Due to injuries, I had brought him up to play long relief, but he got a spot start and - to say the least - made the most of it. If somone could tell me how to upload the boxscore, I'll post it. But here are his numbers: IP - 9 H - 10 R - 4 ER - 4 BB - 1 K - 21 PI - 161 PS - 101

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General Mike Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 251 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Yeah, you blew his arm out. I don't let any of my young pitchers pitch more then 100 pitches their 1st 2 seasons or until their 26, which ever comes first. __________________ ACL - Houston Astros SHIBA - Los Angeles Dodgers [url=http://baseball.slammedia.net]BL2[/url - New York Mets BTTF - Florida Marlins

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06-15-2003, 02:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 722 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	161 pitches for a 22 year-old in his first MLB start? Even Torborg would blush.

06-15-2003, 06:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,112 Thanks: 10 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	When he got to 130 he had 18 Ks with one out in the eighth. That's when he got fatigued, but he only allowed 2 hits and one run from that point on. We had an 8-run lead, so I left him in to see if he'd get the record.

06-15-2003, 07:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
El Caballo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Wow, the most that I ever saw was Randy Johnson, who got 20 for me in a historical league I imported that started in 1997. He got 20 in his first start of the year.

06-16-2003, 11:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,112 Thanks: 10 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Well, I'm sad to report that, after just 6 ML starts, Jesse Foppert blew out his arm and was forced to retire. His final career numbers - 10 G 6 GS 3-2 W-L 1 Sv 4.68 ERA 32.2 IP 35 H 17 R 8 BB 44 K .265 avg agaist. 1.32 WHIP And...the ML record with 21 Ks in one game. Now, the question has to be asked: Did his long outing (161 pitches) earlier factor into his career-ending injury? What do you think?

06-16-2003, 11:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Yeah. What was his endurance rating>?

06-17-2003, 07:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,129 Thanks: 9 Thanked 11x in 7 posts	Does the game really simulate that beyond just tiring the guy? Somehow I think it is in an unfortunate coincidence but then again I don't try to blow them out either to test my theory

06-17-2003, 07:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 722 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	JA, I believe that the game is programmed where injuries are more likely to occur when a pitcher is tired than when he's rested. I'm not sure if there's some sort of PAP system whereby an accumulation of IP while fatigued will increase the chance of a devastating injury. My guess is that if lgkeeper would keep him past 130 in a blowout, then this probably wasn't the first time Foppert had been pitched well beyond 100 pitches. That pattern of usage, combined with the 160+ pitch day, would increase the likelihood of a catestrophic injury.