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Eckstein 4 Prez 11-07-2003 09:56 PM

Alternate Universe Majors Holds "Draft" For Inaugural 1871 Season
 
March 2, 1871 - Wealthy scions in eight American cities today began an experiment in professional base ball with a "draft" of players. The 115 eligible players will be divided among the eight teams and will compete for the World's Championship of base ball. The National Association, the umbrella organization under which this experiment will be conducted, will consist of two leagues of four teams each: the NA1 will include the Boston Red Caps, the Fort Wayne Kekiongas, the New York Mutuals and the Washington Olympics. Meanwhile, the Chicago White Stockings, the Cleveland Forest Citys, the Philadelphia Athletics and the Troy Haymakers will compete in the NA2.

While association organizers have high hopes for this experiment, many observers believe it is doomed to fail. "When players of base ball are in it strictly for the money and not for the love of the game, as it was back when I played the game, the teams will never have the consistent veteran leadership it shall take to emerge victorious," grumbled Josephus Morgan, a leading base ball player of the pre-Civil War era.

Only time will tell whether this endeavor will prove successful. Meanwhile, we have engaged the services of Mr. Morgan to analyze the players each team drafts for this inaugural 1871 season.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-07-2003 10:06 PM

Round One of the 1871 Draft

1 - N.Y. Mutuals select P Al Spalding
2 - Philadelphia selects P Bobby Mathews
3 - Fort Wayne selects P George Zettlein
4 - Chicago selects P "Uncle Al" Pratt
5 - Washington selects 2B Ross Barnes
6 - Boston selects 1B Cap Anson
7 - Cleveland selects P Cherokee Fisher
8 - Troy selects P Dick McBride

Josephus Morgan's take on the first round: "The selection of Mr. Spalding with the first pick was an obvious choice. Spalding will bring many intangibles to the Mutuals ball team. Philadelphia is clearly looking to the future with their pick, as Mathews is merely 19 years old and is not likely to have the veteran presence needed to compete this season. George Zettlein, the choice of the Kekiongas, is a much better choice for this season. At age 26 he has the experience he will need to challenge the Mutuals. Chicago's Al Pratt is another young pitcher at age 22, who shows strong potential, and is closer to being ready to lead a team to victory. Washington, as the first team to eschew a pitcher and select a position player, clearly made the right choice in Mr. Barnes. Barnes will be the class of the league at second base - he rather reminds me of myself as a player. Boston, on the other hand, seems to have given up on the season. They selected no pitcher, and not the best position player available, but an 18-year-old lad with little to no clubhouse presence in Cap Anson. It could be a bumpy ride this year in Beantown. Cleveland and Troy each selected the best pitcher available to them to round out the first round, but it shan't be enough to help them unless they get some excellent hitting - McBride is better than Fisher, but neither is a match for Spalding or Zettlein."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-07-2003 10:50 PM

Round Two of the 1871 Draft

9 - Troy selects SS George Wright
10 - Cleveland selects P Bill Stearns
11 - Boston selects P Rynie Wolters
12 - Washington selects P Asa Brainard
13 - Chicago selects 3B Deacon White
14 - Fort Wayne selects 3B Ed Pinkham
15 - Philadelphia selects P Joe McDermott
16 - N.Y. Mutuals select LF Andy Leonard

Josephus Morgan on the second round: "George Wright is a good prospect for the Haymakers, but might not be ready for the big time yet. With his lack of veteran poise, he might have been a better third round pick, although I expect him to be a clutch middle infielder for years to come. Bill Stearns, a lad of only 17, is a good pick for the future, but who will the Forest Citys look to for hitting this season? Boston selects the best pitcher available in Rynie Wolters, and Washington does the same with Asa Brainard. Chicago selects another young player with an excellent future in Deacon White. Ed Pinkham is a pretty good young infielder for Fort Wayne, although I'm not convinced he's the best player available for them. Philadelphia follows one inexplicable pick with another, as they select longshot pitching prospect Joe McDermott. The Mutuals finish out the first round by selecting talented outfielder Andy Leonard, a solid pick with a bright future."

So far, through two rounds Mr. Morgan has the draft graded as follows:

N.Y. Mutuals: B+
Philadelphia: D-
Fort Wayne: B-
Chicago: A
Washington: B
Boston: C+
Cleveland: C
Troy: B

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-07-2003 11:46 PM

Round Three

Team - Pick - Josephus Morgan comment

17 - N.Y. Mutuals - 3B Levi Meyerle - "A steal in the third round, he puts the Mutuals in the favorites' seat for this year."
18 - Philadelphia - 1B Cal McVey - "Well, at least when the Athletics bothered to pick a hitter, they got a good one."
19 - Fort Wayne - 1B Jim Carleton - "Who? Does Fort Wayne even have any scouts?"
20 - Chicago - SS Dickie Flowers - "The White Stockings will be a great team in three years."
21 - Washington - CF Lip Pike - "The Olympics get Barnes and Pike? If only they had some pitching..."
22 - Boston - LF George Hall - "A solid pick. Hall and Anson are a good core to build around."
23 - Cleveland - LF Fred Cone - "Hope you like the cellar...."
24 - Troy - RF Gat Stires - "Cone and Stires gone and Steve King still on the board?"

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-08-2003 12:08 AM

Round Four

25 - Troy - 3B Fred Waterman - "Could be a sleeper pick. The best infielder you've never heard of."
26 - Cleveland - SS John Bass - "Another terrible pick for Cleveland. There are at least two better shortstops available."
27 - Boston - SS Davy Force - "This is one of them."
28 - Washington - LF Tom York - "A good young player for Washington, who will contribute some now."
29 - Chicago - 3B Ezra Sutton - "The best player taken this round, but now Chicago has two third basemen."
30 - Fort Wayne - RF Dick Higham - "Fort Wayne finally makes a solid pick."
31 - Philadelphia - 1B Clipper Flynn - "So, the Athletics now have two pitchers and two first basemen. A very strange drafting strategy."
32 - N.Y. Mutuals - CF Tom Foley - "He will be a solid outfielder for the Mutuals."

cknox0723 11-08-2003 12:59 AM

Real intriguing concept, Eckstein. Love the Joe Morgan comments, though I'm sure he'll regret the one on Cap Anson. 'Course, he'll probably just offer that you "listen to what (he) say(s) and not put somebody else's words in (his) mouth." Silly Joe...:rolleyes:

Craig

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-08-2003 02:57 AM

Thanks. I've done this 19th century thing before, but I had a catastrophic hard drive crash a while back and lost everything. This time, I'm going to try to do it right from the start.... I may never get past the mid-1880s, but at least I'm enjoying it.

Round Five

33 - N.Y. Mutuals - LF Ralph Ham - "Not a terrible pick, but the Mutuals have Andy Leonard in left and there are better hitters than Ham out there."
34 - Philadelphia - 1B Joe Start - "Another great-hitting first baseman. That's three for the Athletics, who need some veteran leadership at the other positions."
35 - Fort Wayne - SS Tom Carey - "Another young shortstop who's better than John Bass."
36 - Chicago - 2B Jimmy Wood - "A great pickup. Wood has the clubhouse presence the White Stockings will need."
37 - Washington - C Scott Hastings - "Washington adds a steady hand to guide Asa Brainard from behind the plate."
38 - Boston - CF George Bird - "A good young outfielder."
39 - Cleveland - 3B Harry Schafer - "Should be one of his team's few bright spots."
40 - Troy - LF John Hatfield - "A versatile player who can play both infield and outfield."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-08-2003 11:27 AM

Round Six

41 - Troy - LF John McMullin - "A solid young outfielder with some potential, but there are some guys with real clubhouse presence still out there in the draft pool."
42 - Cleveland - 1B Everett Mills - "Not a bad pick."
43 - Boston - CF Dave Eggler - "A very good pick."
44 - Washington - 2B Tommy Beals - "A very bad pick. Beals isn't ready for prime time and plays behind Ross Barnes."
45 - Chicago - 1B Jim Foran - "Chicago now a has a great infield, but needs some outfielders."
46 - Fort Wayne - LF John Glenn - "A steal for the Kekiongas this late in the draft."
47 - Philadelphia - 1B Charlie Gould - "Four of Philly's first six picks have been on first basemen. How many do they need?"
48 - N.Y. Mutuals - 2B Joe Quest - "A project, but one that could pay off, and a strong defensive second baseman."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-08-2003 12:23 PM

Rounds Seven and Eight

49 - N.Y. Mutuals - 3B Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson
50 - Philadelphia - 3B Steve Bellan
51 - Fort Wayne - LF Pony Sager
52 - Chicago - RF George Bechtel
53 - Washington - CF Harry Deane
54 - Boston - SS Jimmy Hallinan
55 - Cleveland - RF-2B Bob "Magnet" Addy
56 - Troy - C Doug Allison

Josephus Morgan: "A lot of solid, unspectacular players taken this round. The potential steal was Troy's Doug Allison. He and McBride could combine to form a potent battery in upstate New York."

57 - Troy - C Paddy Quinn
58 - Cleveland - SS John Radcliff
59 - Boston - 2B Bill Craver
60 - Washington - 1B Wes Fisler
61 - Chicago - 2B Charlie Sweasy
62 - Fort Wayne - 2B Mike McGeary
63 - Philadelphia - RF Elmer White
64 - N.Y. Mutuals - RF Count Sensenderfer

Morgan: "McGeary and Sensenderfer look like the best picks this round, while Paddy Quinn is the most inexplicable. Troy just selected a star catcher in Allison."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-08-2003 01:00 PM

Rounds Nine and Ten

65 - N.Y. Mutuals - SS Chick Fulmer
66 - Philadelphia - LF Steve King
67 - Fort Wayne - RF George Heubel
68 - Chicago - 2B E.P. Beavens
69 - Washington - RF Art Allison
70 - Boston - 3B Frank Selman
71 - Cleveland - LF Charlie Pabor
72 - Troy - C Fergy Malone

Morgan: "The best pick in this round was easily Steve King. How this proven winner slipped to the ninth round is beyond me, as he will likely be among the leaders of the NA2 this season. Chick Fulmer is another good pick, as the Mutuals get a talented versatile infielder who does all the little things well. Troy again makes the worst selection of the round, as Malone is not a bad player, but why are they taking a third-string catcher when they have pressing needs?"

73 - Troy - RF Joe Simmons
74 - Cleveland - 3B Warren White
75 - Boston - LF Fred Treacey
76 - Washington - LF Ned Cuthbert
77 - Chicago - 2B Sam Jackson
78 - Fort Wayne - 1B Denny Mack
79 - Philadelphia - 2B Caleb Johnson
80 - N.Y. Mutuals - RF Bill Kelly

Morgan: "Fred Treacey is a steal on the level of Steve King. What were the other teams thinking? Some teams added solid pieces to their puzzles this round, as Troy, Washington and Fort Wayne all got solid players. Others wasted this pick on players who aren't likely to ever amount to anything - Cleveland, Chicago and New York, I'm talking to you."

seth70liz76 11-08-2003 10:46 PM

Mostly I breeze into this forum, and read bits and pieces, but don't follow a dynasty. This is one I will be checking on alot. I've actually read more abt Pre-NA base ball than 1871-1876 base ball. Got to know your roots.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 01:00 AM

Seth - what books can you recommend on this era? I haven't read any good ones.....

Rounds 11-15

81 - N.Y. Mutuals - 1B Tom Pratt
82 - Philadelphia - SS Ed Duffy
83 - Fort Wayne - C Charlie Mills
84 - Chicago - CF Mart King
85 - Washington - 3B Joe Battin
86 - Boston - 3B Charlie Smith
87 - Cleveland - LF Harry Berthrong
88 - Troy - LF Al Barker

89 - Troy - C Charlie Hodes
90 - Cleveland - CF Bob Armstrong
91 - Boston - RF Tom Berry
92 - Washington - 1B Bub McAtee
93 - Chicago - C Bill Lennon
94 - Fort Wayne - 3B Henry Burroughs
95 - Philadelphia - RF Al Reach
96 - N.Y. Mutuals - 3B Mike Brannock

97 - N.Y. Mutuals - RF Dave Birdsall
98 - Philadelphia - 2B Frank Fleet
99 - Fort Wayne - 3B Wally Goldsmith
100 - Chicago - 1B Ned Connor
101 - Washington - RF Pete Donnelly
102 - Boston - 2B Gene Kimball
103 - Cleveland - LF Dan Patterson
104 - Troy - LF Frank Barrows

105 - Troy - C Bill Barrett
106 - Cleveland - 3B Henry Kohler
107 - Boston - 1B Charlie Bierman
108 - Washington - SS Dave Abercrombie
109 - Chicago - RF Nealy Phelps
110 - Fort Wayne - LF Ed Mincher
111 - Philadelphia - CF Harry Wright
112 - N.Y. Mutuals - RF George Ewell

113 - N.Y. Mutuals - 3B Frank Norton
114 - Philadelphia - SS Dickey Pearce
115 - Fort Wayne - RF Nate Berkenstock

Josephus Morgan: "The team that really helped themselves in the late rounds is Philadelphia. Al Reach and Harry Wright will team with Steve King to give the Athletics some real veteran punch in the outfield. It will be interesting to see whether these proven leaders can gel with their young pitcher Bobby Mathews."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 04:04 AM

The projected starters for the NA1:

Boston Red Caps

1B Cap Anson, age 18
2B Bill Craver, age 26
SS Davy Force, age 21
3B Charlie Smith, age 30
LF Fred Treacey, age 24
CF Dave Eggler, age 19
RF Tom Berry, age 28
C Frank Selman, age 20
P Rynie Wolters, age 28

Fort Wayne Kekiongas

1B Denny Mack, age 20
2B Mike McGeary, age 20
SS Tom Carey, age 22
3B Ed Pinkham, age 22
LF John Glenn, age 22
CF George Heubel, age 22
RF Dick Higham, age 20
C Charlie Mills, age 20
P George Zettlein, age 26

New York Mutuals

1B Tom Pratt, age 27
2B Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson, age 26
SS Chick Fulmer, age 20
3B Levi Meyerle, age 25
LF Andy Leonard, age 24
CF Tom Foley, age 24
RF Count Sensenderfer, age 23
C Dave Birdsall, age 32
P Al Spalding, age 20

Washington Olympics

1B Bub McAtee, age 26
2B Ross Barnes, age 20
SS Dave Abercrombie, age 30
3B Joe Battin, age 19
LF Tom York, age 19
CF Lip Pike, age 25
RF Art Allison, age 22
C Scott Hastings, age 23
P Asa Brainard, age 30

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 05:27 AM

And.... the projected starters for the NA2:

Chicago White Stockings

1B Deacon White, age 23
2B Jimmy Wood, age 26
SS Dickie Flowers, age 21
3B Ezra Sutton, age 20
LF Jim Foran, age 23
CF Mart King, age 21
RF George Bechtel, age 23
C Bill Lennon, age 23
P Al Pratt, age 22

Cleveland Forest Citys

1B Everett Mills, age 26
2B John Bass, age 21
SS John Radcliff, age 22
3B Harry "Silk Stockings" Schafer, age 24
LF Charlie Pabor, age 24
CF Bob Armstrong, age 21
RF Bob "Magner" Addy, age 26
C Henry Kohler, age 18
P Cherokee Fisher, age 25
P Bill Stearns, age 18

Philadelphia Athletics

1B Cal McVey, age 20
2B Frank Fleet, age 23
SS Dickie Pearce, age 35
3B Steve Bellan, age 21
LF Steve King, age 29
CF Harry Wright, age 36
RF Al Reach, age 30
C Elmer White, age 20
P Bobby Mathews, age 19
P Joe McDermott, age 20

Troy Haymakers

1B Joe Simmons, age 25
2B John Hatfield, age 23
SS George Wright, age 24
3B Fred Waterman, age 25
LF John McMullin, age 23
CF Charlie Hodes, age 23
RF Gat Stires, age 21
C Fergy Malone, age 29
P Dick McBride, age 26

Projected order of finish of the two leagues:

National Association I

New York Mutuals
Fort Wayne Kekiongas
Boston Red Caps
Washington Olympics

National Association II

Chicago White Stockings
Troy Haymakers
Philadelphia Athletics
Cleveland Forest Citys

Up next..... the season begins.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 12:11 PM

Tuesday, April 2, 1871

Philadelphia - The first season of professional base ball began yesterday, with eight teams vying for the World's Championship in America's pastoral game. Games were played in New York, Boston, Troy and here in Philadelphia as the 30-game season got underway.

The first game to start was here in Philadelphia, and the second batter of the game, Chicago's outfielder George Bechtel, promptly became the first "major league" base ball player to record a hit with a dandy of a single to left-center field. Two innings later, the Athletics' Cuban sensation Steve Bellan became the first player to score a run as he knocked a triple base hit and scored on a "sacrifice fly" by pitcher Bobby Mathews. Mathews ultimately became the first pitcher to record a victory, as he led the Athletics to a 5-4 triumph, giving them the inside track on the NA2 lead. The hitting star of the game was Steve King, who went 3 for 3 for Philadelphia.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 01:52 PM

Sunday, April 7, 1871

Game of the Week - Fort Wayne Kekiongas (4-2) at Boston Red Caps (3-3)

Starting Lineups

Fort Wayne

SS Mike McGeary (0-3-.308)
3B Ed Pinkham (0-1-.043)
LF John Glenn (0-3-.333)
CF George Heubel (0-3-.304)
RF Dick Higham (0-7-.208)
1B Denny Mack (0-6-.440)
SS Tom Carey (0-6-.409)
C Charlie Mills (0-5-.208)
P George Zettlein (0-4-.333) (4-2, 3.83)

Boston

CF Dave Eggler (0-1-.192)
SS Davy Force (0-3-.385)
LF Fred Treacey (0-6-.458)
1B Cap Anson (0-2-.125)
2B Bill Craver (0-3-.429)
3B Charlie Smith (0-6-.280)
RF Tom Berry (0-1-.182)
C Frank Selman (0-2-.130)
P Rynie Wolters (0-2-.235) (3-3, 2.67)

The Kekiongas wasted no time going after Rynie Wolters, as four first-inning singles led to a run in the top of the first. However, both pitchers settled down after this and no further runners reached second for the first three innings. In the top of the fourth, Fort Wayne added to their lead as Dick Higham reached on an error, Denny Mack doubled, then Tom Carey had a 2-RBI base hit to make it 3-0.

Meanwhile, Boston finally got on the board in the bottom of the fourth with a two-out triple by Fred Treacey that was followed by a double by young Cap Anson to make it 3-1. The Red Caps added another run in the fifth as Charlie Smith scored on a Frank Selman sacrifice fly.

Things came unglued for Boston in the top of the seventh, as errors by Charlie Smith, Fred Treacey and Frank Selman allowed Fort Wayne to score three runs on just one hit to turn a 3-2 nailbiter into a 6-2 game. That was how it ended, as Boston never again managed to threaten George Zettlein and the Kekiongas.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 02:02 PM

Monday, April 8, 1871

Standings Report

National Association I

Fort Wayne Kekiongas 5-2
Boston Red Caps 3-4
New York Mutuals 3-4
Washington Olympics 3-4

National Association II

Chicago White Stockings 4-3
Philadelphia Athletics 4-3
Cleveland Forest Citys 3-4
Troy Haymakers 3-4

The current league leaders are: Ross Barnes of the Olympics is tops in hitting with a .567 average, while Deacon White of Chicago leads the NA2 at .500. Perhaps the most impressive all-around performance thus far has been given by White's teammate Ezra Sutton, who is second in the NA2 with a .469 average, and has also hit a "home run" and batted in twelve runs.

As Josephus Morgan put it in the new "ESPN telegraph" service, which allows fans to ask questions of the venerable commentator: "As I said back when the draft was held, Ezra Sutton is a real steal for Chicago. Although they didn't really have a position for him at the time, clutch players find a way into the ball game in order to have an impact. I predicted Chicago would find their way to the top of the NA2, as indeed they have. I expect this team's quality play to continue throughout the season."

goroyals 11-09-2003 05:59 PM

Awsome read so far. I'd like to try a very early period dynasty like this myself, but just can't seem to find the time.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 06:42 PM

Sunday, April 14, 1871

Game of the Week - Chicago White Stockings (7-6) at Cleveland Forest Citys (6-7)

Starting Lineups

Chicago

SS Dickie Flowers (0-2-.333)
RF George Bechtel (0-11-.339)
2B Jimmy Wood (0-12-.429)
3B Ezra Sutton (1-18-.386)
1B Nealy Phelps (0-1-.333)
LF Sam Jackson (0 for 1)
CF Mart King (0-8-.255)
C Bill Lennon (0-5-.115)
P Al Pratt (0-4-.286) (7-6, 3.69)

Cleveland

3B Harry Schafer (0-5-.175)
1B Everett Mills (0-5-.339)
LF Charlie Pabor (0-6-.352)
RF Bob Addy (0-15-.291)
C Henry Kohler (0-5-.135)
2B Dan Patterson (0-1-.429)
SS Warren White (0-1-.143)
CF Bob Armstrong (0-5-.233)
P Bill Stearns (0-1-.286) (1-3, 3.86)

The first run of the game was scored by Chicago in the top of the second after key errors by Harry "Silk Stockings" Schafer and Bob Armstrong. However, the White Stockings promptly gave the run back with errors of their own in the bottom of the inning, as both Dickie Flowers and Bill Lennon committed throwing errors.

The White Stockings scored the game's first earned runs in the top of the third, as a leadoff triple by Dickie Flowers led a barrage of four consecutive hits that left Chicago on top 3-1. However, Cleveland was again able to answer, as a Harry Schafer double in the bottom of the fifth led to a 2-RBI single by Everett Mills which tied the game at 3. Then, Cleveland took their first lead of the game in the bottom of the sixth on a Warren White base hit that made the game 4-3.

However, the Forest Citys got in trouble almost immediately in the top of the seventh. Chicago was able to load the bases with one out and star hitter Ezra Sutton coming up to the plate. Sutton disappointed the home crowd as he knocked a fastball into center field just beyond the reach of Dan Patterson, scoring two runs and giving the White Stockings a 5-4 lead. However, Patterson quickly redeemed himself at the plate - with two on and two out in the bottom of the seventh, he drilled a double off the left field wall to regain the lead for Cleveland by a 6-5 margin. Then, in the bottom of the eighth Harry Schafer had another RBI hit to make it 7-5. Chicago was down to their final three outs.

The first hitter was Deacon White, who had entered the game in the seventh as a pinch-runner for George Bechtel. White hit a tough grounder to third, but "Silk Stockings" was able to make the play and get White at first. Next up was Jimmy Wood, who hit a long, deep fly ball to left-center field, but again to no avail as Charlie Pabor, "The Old Woman in the Red Cap," ran it down for the second out. Finally, Ezra Sutton, already 2 for 4 on the day, came to the plate for Chicago. Sutton hit the easiest out of the inning, a looping fly ball right at Bob Armstrong in center field, who promptly lost it in the sun. When the dust settled, Sutton was safe at second base and Chicago had new life. Utility player Nealy Phelps was the next batter, and he singled to left, scoring Sutton and making it a 7-6 game. The White Stockings brought up .339 hitter Jim Foran to pinch-hit for Sam Jackson. Foran swung hard at the 1-1 pitch, and drilled a line drive to right field. It seemed certain to be the game-tying double, but Bob "Magnet" Addy swooped in from out of nowhere to make the game-saving catch for Cleveland and send the league-leading White Stockings to a 7-6 defeat.

joncarlos 11-09-2003 10:41 PM

Pretty awesome stuff. If you want to read a book with some of these players in it, it's sort of fiction but sort of based in reality with real players... If I Never Get Back by Darryl Brock

seth70liz76 11-09-2003 11:30 PM

I really recommend "Playing for Keeps: A History of Early Baseball" by Warren Goldstein, published by Cornell University 1989. Covers the 1850's and the creation of the NA. Many of the early NA/NLers are there. Really shows the change from the "Gentleman's Game" to the early professionals (and the shift of power to owners not players. He was/is an adcademic, and parts read as such--but great notes lead to some other worthy sources. Sol White's "Only the Ball was White" has great sections on Pre-1900 Negro Leagues (as well as back ground on the game it self). "The National Pastime" edited by John Thorn for SABR, published in 1987 has a couple great articles abt early teams--the Cincinnati Reds first loss in 70 games to the Brooklyn Atlantics in 1870, the setting of the Color line in the International League in 1887, and Old Hoss Radbourne's 1884 season.

I'm trying to find a cataloge/website not I have abt another baseball research publisher--not just majors but real full volumes on the PCL, AA, IL and other minor leagues. As well as player/executive bios. But it's been two moves since I seen it, but we history nerds tend to keep thing like that.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-09-2003 11:58 PM

Thanks. I'll have to pick up a copy of the Thorn and Goldstein books - the others too, although I was familiar with them... I've been meaning to read "If I Never Get Back."

Monday, April 15, 1871

Standings

National Association I

Fort Wayne Kekiongas 9-5
New York Mutuals 8-6
Washington Olympics 6-8
Boston Red Caps 5-9

National Association II

Philadelphia Athletics 8-6
Chicago White Stockings 7-7
Cleveland Forest Citys 7-7
Troy Haymakers 6-8

Currently, the batting races are led by Count Sensenderfer of New York (.417) and John Radcliff of Cleveland (.436). In his weekly live telegraphic chat, Josephus Morgan stated, "I knew from the beginning that Sensenderfer and Radcliff were both something special. Both of them have leadership qualities beyond their years and will likely lead their respective teams into contention for years to come."

Coming up next, the best players of the National Association will gather for an "All-Star's Game." Stay tuned!

seth70liz76 11-10-2003 12:13 AM

Does the import from Lahmans (or whatever DB you used) do a good job of addressing Fielding? I cant imagine baserunning is handled well (hit and run, stealing and sacrifises being constant decisions in that era)

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-10-2003 04:01 AM

Actually, no. Fielding and speed ratings are a disaster and must be painstakingly edited one player at a time. At least with fielding I'm reasonably confident of the results, since Win Shares has some decent fielding information and baseballreference.com has the error percentages. Speed, on the other hand, is pretty much ad hoc. When I can find information I use it, but in many cases I just know I'm not getting it right. It's frustrating trying to find speed information from the pre-stolen base era.

And it is just the plain vanilla Lahman DB that I'm using.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-10-2003 05:24 AM

The 1871 National Association I All-Stars (with commentary by Josephus Morgan)

RF Art Allison, Washington (0-6-.309) - "Tell me again how this guy slipped to the 9th round of the draft. He's a clutch player with great intangibles."

2B Ross Barnes, Washington (0-11-.407) - "No surprise that he's a superstar this year. Washington made him the first non-pitcher taken in the draft and he hasn't disappointed."

P Asa Brainard, Washington (7-8, 3.18) - "He's a solid pitcher for the Olympics, who hope to make a run in the second half behind their stars."

SS Tom Carey, Fort Wayne (0-12-.347) - "He's been one of the driving forces behind the Kekiongas' surprising run to the top of the league."

2B Bill Craver, Boston (0-10-.327) - "A bit surprising that he's having such a good year. Was not expected to be among Boston's stars."

2B Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson, New York (0-11-.333) - "A great fielder and solid hitter, Ferguson has been an anchor this season for the Mutuals."

C Scott Hastings, Washington (0-9-.306) - "An excellent young catcher. It really is difficult to see why Washington isn't the class of the league with all these good players."

RF George Heubel, Fort Wayne (0-8-.321) - "Another talented young hitter with a bright future."

LF Andy Leonard, New York (1-14-.333) - "New York's first hitter taken in the draft has lived up to his reputation as a heads-up player with great clubhouse presence."

1B Denny Mack, Fort Wayne (0-9-.328) - "This tenth round pick is making good for the Kekiongas."

1B Bub McAtee, Washington (0-4-.242) - "One of the less impressive All-Stars this season. He'll need to step it up in the second half for Washington."

3B Levi Meyerle, New York (1-12-.333) - "Generally considered one of the best players in the game today. Has the potential to do even better than he is this season."

C Charlie Mills, Fort Wayne (0-14-.283) - "A very solid catcher who's done a great job catching Zettlein this year."

CF Lip Pike, Washington (0-11-.443) - "Current league leader in batting. Washington has an amazing 1-2 punch with him and Ross Barnes."

RF Count Sensenderfer, New York (0-12-.391) - "As I predicted before the season began, he's been a great sleeper pick for New York."

P Al Spalding, New York (8-7, 3.90) - "A great young pitcher who really has more potential than he's shown so far."

LF Fred Treacey, Boston (0-12-.351) - "Another great tenth round pick. Why weren't these guys selected earlier?"

P Rynie Wolters, Boston (6-9, 2.30) - "A great pitcher who's trying to do it all himself this season. He needs help up in Beantown."

P George Zettlein, Fort Wayne (9-6, 3.87) - "He's been one of the keys to Fort Wayne's success this season. If he can hold up in the second half, he could bring a championship to Fort Wayne."

"And the bust of the first half has got to be young Cap Anson of Boston, who as I predicted does not have the intangibles needed to succeed at this level and therefore missed the All-Star Game. This first-round pick is batting a mere .179 for the Red Caps - one of the key reasons the team is so weak this year. Already the fans boo him every time he takes the field - if he doesn't pick it up soon, there's no telling what might happen."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-11-2003 05:04 AM

1871 National Association II All-Stars

RF George Bechtel, Chicago (0-12-.328) - "This young hitter has exceeded expectations and been a real clutch player for Chicago. He's tied for second on the team in runs batted in."

3B Steve Bellan, Philadelphia (0-11-.345) - "The young Cuban sensation is the first Latin American player to have a big impact in base ball."

P Cherokee Fisher, Cleveland (6-4, 2.30) - "He's the ace of Cleveland's staff and seems to have a really bright future in the major leagues."

SS Dickie Flowers, Chicago (0-2-.333) - "This speedy leadoff hitter leads the major leagues in runs scored with 20, and really sets the table for the guys hitting behind him."

C Charlie Hodes, Troy (0-7-.182) - "His selection is probably a mistake, as he's on the team as a catcher, yet hasn't played a single game behind the plate all year. Call it a glitch of the voting system."

LF Steve King, Philadelphia (0-15-.409) - "No surprise that he's a superstar this year. The only surprise is that Philadelphia got him in the ninth round of the draft."

C Fergy Malone, Troy (0-7-.302) - "Another late draft steal. He rather surprisingly won the starting job from Doug Allison and hasn't looked back."

P Bobby Mathews, Philadelphia (6-4, 2.87) - "Some say he's playing over his head, which may be true. However, he's got Philadelphia in the driver's seat at the halfway point of the season and has definitely earned the All-Star nod."

P Dick McBride, Troy (6-9, 3.64) - "Has actually been somewhat disappointing this season."

P Joe McDermott, Philadelphia (3-2, 3.00) - "Although he's done better than expected, this isn't really much of an honor. Every major league pitcher made the All-Star game."

1B Cal McVey, Philadelphia (0-9-.394) - "A great hitter in every way. He's one of the clubhouse leaders on this team."

P Al Pratt, Chicago (7-8, 3.72) - "A solid but unspectacular pitcher."

SS John Radcliff, Cleveland (0-12-.441) - "What a season he's having so far. A legitimate MVH contender, even though before the season no one would have guessed it."

RF Al Reach, Philadelphia (0-14-.292) - "Another veteran bat helping lead the Athletics into first place."

P Bill Stearns, Cleveland (2-3, 3.98) - "See McDermott comment."

RF Gat Stires, Troy (0-4-.345) - "A solid hitter helping keep Troy in the running."

3B Ezra Sutton, Chicago (1-21-.379) - "The other teams can't believe they let this guy slip into the fourth round, while Chicago can't believe their good fortune. Sutton is a legitimate superstar in this league."

1B Deacon White, Chicago (0-12-.368) - "Another star hitter for the White Stockings. Look for this team to make a real run in the second half."

RF Elmer White, Philadelphia (0-17-.365) - "Definitely is exceeding expectations this year, as he didn't really look to be a star hitter for Philadelphia."

2B Jimmy Wood, Chicago (0-12-.415) - "Combines with White, Sutton, Bechtel and Flowers to give Chicago the game's most potent lineup."

CF Harry Wright, Philadelphia (0-7-.273) - "The older of the Wright brothers makes the All-Star game as a solid veteran influence in center field."


Up next.... the All-Star game. Stay tuned.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-12-2003 04:14 AM

All-Star Game Starting Lineups

National Association I

SS Bill Craver, Boston
LF Fred Treacey, Boston
3B Levi Meyerle, New York
CF Lip Pike, Washington
2B Ross Barnes, Washington
RF Count Sensenderfer, New York
1B Denny Mack, Fort Wayne
C Scott Hastings, Washington
P George Zettlein, Fort Wayne

National Association II

CF Harry Wright, Philadelphia
RF Al Reach, Philadelphia
1B Cal McVey, Philadelphia
2B Jimmy Wood, Chicago
3B Ezra Sutton, Chicago
C Fergy Malone, Troy
LF George Bechtel, Chicago
SS Dickie Flowers, Chicago
P Dick McBride, Troy

In the first inning, both teams went down in order, and although the NA1 threatened in the second, they didn't manage to put anything on the board. However, with one out in the bottom of the second, Ezra Sutton singled to left, then Fergy Malone reached on an error by Denny Mack. A Bechtel groundout advanced the runners, then a base hit up the middle by Dickie Flowers scored them both, making it a 2-0 game in favor of the NA2. However, the NA1 bounced right back in the top of the third. With two out and Bill Craver at first, Craver stole second - a seemingly unimportant play. However, this seemed to rattle McBride, as he proceeded to give up consecutive hits to Fred Treacey, Levi Meyerle, Lip Pike and Ross Barnes. Count Sensenderfer and Denny Mack both reached on errors before Scott Hastings, the first batter of the inning, also made the last out. When the dust settled, it was 5-2, NA1.

The NA2 managed to get a little closer in the bottom of the fourth when George Bechtel knocked an RBI single off of new pitcher Asa Brainard to make it 5-3. However, Lip Pike got his third hit of the day with an RBI single in the top of the fifth to make it a three-run game again. The NA2 scored an unearned run in the bottom half of the inning to make it 6-4, and this was the score through six when the second team started to enter the game.

The reserve players for the NA1 added two more runs to the lead in the top of the seventh, but the bench players for the NA2 did them one better, adding three in the bottom of the inning to make it 8-7. Neither team managed anything in the eighth inning, setting up a potentially exciting ninth inning. The NA1 went down in order in the top of the inning - Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson flied to center, Tom Carey popped up to the catcher, and Denny Mack grounded back to the pitcher. The leadoff man in the bottom of the inning was John Radcliff of Cleveland, the NA2 batting leader who was 1 for 1 in the game. Radcliff knocked a quick base hit to right field. Next up was Cal McVey, who knocked Asa Brainard's first pitch into right-center field for a base hit, sending the tying run over to third. The following batter, Steve Bellan, knocked the 2-0 pitch into left for a base hit to tie the game at 8 and leave runners at first and second with no one out. Elmer White stepped to the plate with a chance to win the game. He hit a promising drive on the 1-0 pitch, but it hung in the air a bit too long and the center fielder was able to snag it for the out. Similarly, Fergy Malone hit a fly out to center for the second out. With the game on the line, Steve King stepped up to pinch hit. King lined the first pitch right at Bub McAtee for the third out, and the game headed into extra innings.

In the top of the tenth, the NA1 went down without much trouble. However, in the bottom of the inning, with Joe McDermott on first and two out, John Radcliff and Cal McVey had consecutive base hits to knock home the winning run for the NA2 in a 9-8 nailbiter. Radcliff's three hits in as many at bats in a reserve role was enough to win him the inaugural All-Star game MVP. "I'm just glad I got the opportunity to play in the game," Radcliff said following his star turn. "Anything else is more than I could ask for."

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-12-2003 02:03 PM

Sunday, 4/21/1871

Game of the Week: Washington Olympics (8-8) at New York Mutuals (8-8)

Starting Lineups

Washington

1B Bub McAtee (0-9-.294)
LF Ned Cuthbert (0 for 9)
2B Ross Barnes (0-11-.407)
CF Lip Pike (0-15-.478)
RF Art Allison (0-10-.350)
C Scott Hastings (0-9-.306)
SS Dave Abercrombie (0-10-.194)
3B Joe Battin (0-6-.234)
P Asa Brainard (0-3-.160) (8-8, 3.30)

New York

C Dave Birdsall (0-10-.240)
2B Bob Ferguson (0-12-.324)
3B Levi Meyerle (1-12-.338)
RF Count Sensenderfer (0-12-.377)
LF Andy Leonard (1-14-.343)
1B Tom Pratt (0-14-.239)
SS Chick Fulmer (0-3-.125)
CF Tom Foley (0-3-.304)
P Al Spalding (8-8, 4.59)

The scoring started in the bottom of the first with consecutive singles by Levi Meyerle, Count Sensenderfer and Andy Leonard to give the Mutuals a 1-0 lead. However, Washington was quickly able to tie the score on a triple by Lip Pike in the second. Four more singles in the bottom of the second allowed New York to open up a 4-1 lead, capped by a 2-RBI single by Meyerle. This time, it was a third-inning double by Pike that brought the Olympics back into the game, scoring two runs to make it a 4-3 ball game.

The Mutuals added another run in the bottom of the fourth, as pitcher Al Spalding hit his first big league "home run," to make it a 5-3 game. Again, Washington was able to strike back, as consecutive two-out hits by Ross Barnes, Lip Pike and Art Allison brought the Olympics back to within one. The next inning, New York again pulled away, as a Levi Meyerle single coupled with an error led to two runs and a 7-4 lead.

Finally, Washington was unable to counter, as Al Spalding shut the Mutuals down with little fanfare in the seventh, eighth and ninth to win, 7-4.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-13-2003 12:21 PM

Monday, April 22, 1871

Standings

National Association I

Fort Wayne Kekiongas 10-7
New York Mutuals 9-8
Washington Olympics 8-9
Boston Red Caps 7-10

National Association II

Philadelphia Athletics 11-6
Cleveland Forest Citys 8-9
Troy Haymakers 8-9
Chicago White Stockings 7-10

As we pass the halfway point of the opening season, it looks like the Athletics will be tough to beat this season. However, the NA1 is still a wide-open race - look for New York and Washington to make a run before the season ends.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-14-2003 05:15 AM

Thursday, April 25, 1871

There is a head-to-head battle for first in the NA1, so we're bringing you special coverage, broadcast via telegraph by Josephus Morgan.

Washington Olympics (11-9) at Fort Wayne Kekiongas (11-9)

Starting Lineups

Washington

1B Wes Fisler (0-8-.387)
LF Tom York (0-14-.244)
2B Ross Barnes (0-14-.411)
CF Lip Pike (0-20-.447)
RF Art Allison (0-16-.372)
C Tommy Beals (0-1-.050)
SS Dave Abercrombie (0-12-.247)
3B Joe Battin (0-7-.230)
P Asa Brainard (0-7-.188) (11-9, 3.31)

Fort Wayne

2B Mike McGeary (0-7-.289)
3B Ed Pinkham (1-6-.188)
LF John Glenn (0-7-.250)
CF George Heubel (0-8-.250)
RF Dick Higham (0-11-.240)
1B Denny Mack (0-10-.316)
SS Tom Carey (0-15-.319)
C Charlie Mills (0-17-.286)
P George Zettlein (0-7-.277) (11-9, 3.52)

Josephus Morgan: "Leading things off in the top of the first is Wes Fisler. They call this guy the Icicle, and he's a cool veteran presence at the top of the order for Washington. And here's the opening pitch of the game.... Fisler knocks a looping shot to right-center field. George Heubel is charging it, but he's not going to get there in time. It's a base hit. Oh oh! Heubel stumbles as he tries to pick it up and Fisler is going to take second on the play. Next up is the left fielder, Tom York. York went 2 for 5 yesterday for Washington. He's worked it to a full count, and the 3-2 pitch is hit hard, but right at Ed Pinkham. Pinkham looks Fisler back to second and throws over to Denny Mack for the first out of the inning. That'll bring up the young superstar second baseman, Ross Barnes. You know, Barnes reminds me of myself as a player... and he takes a big cut at the first pitch, but doesn't get all of it. It's a bouncer right back at Zettlein. Zettlein scoops it up and throws to first for the second out. And now it's up to the NA1's leading hitter, Lip Pike. And Pike swings at the 1-0 pitch... but he pops it up. Mike McGeary settles under it, and makes the play. That's it for Washington in the first. No runs, one hit and an error. No score in the middle of the first."

"And it's McGeary to start things off for Fort Wayne here in the bottom of the first. McGeary takes a big swing at the 1-1 pitch and hits a can of corn out to right field. Art Allison settles under it, and he's got it for the out. Next up is the light-hitting third baseman Ed Pinkham. Pinkham takes a cut at the first pitch, and hits a grounder to short. Abercrombie's got it, and throws him out easily for out number two. That brings up John Glenn. The 0-1 pitch.... and Glenn smacks a shot into the hole on the left side that rolls into left field. Base hit. Now George Heubel steps to the plate. Heubel with a swing at the 1-2 pitch.... and he knocks an easy fly ball to left field. York makes the play for the final out of the inning. No runs, one hit and no errors for Fort Wayne. At the end of one inning of play, there's no score."

"It's Art Allison to lead off the second for Washington. Art comes into the game with an amazing 18-game hitting streak. And the 0-1 pitch to Allison... swung on and grounded to second. McGeary picks it up, and throws to first for the out. One away. That brings up Tommy Beals, who's starting today because the regular catcher, Scott Hastings, has the day off. And Beals swings at the first pitch, and it's a looping pop-up to left field. No problem at all for John Glenn, who catches it for the second out. And now it's shortstop Dave Abercrombie coming up with two out and no one on. Abercrombie takes a swing at the 0-1 pitch, and he hits a blooper that looks like it's going to fall.... Heubel is running for it... he dives, and makes the play! Very nice play by George Heubel to get the final out of the inning. And Washington goes down in order in the second. After one and a half innings, there's no score."

"Right fielder Dick Higham starts things off for the Kekiongas. First pitch, and Higham hits one high and deep to right center field. Art Allison goes back... he's near the edge of the field, and he makes the catch. One down. Denny Mack, one of the surprise stars of this Fort Wayne team, comes up next. And the 1-0 pitch... Mack swings and hits a fly ball to left. It looks playable, and Tom York settles under it for the out. That brings up Tom Carey. Two balls and no strikes to Carey. He swings, and knocks a liner that goes just over the head of Dave Abercrombie for the base hit. That puts Charlie Mills at the plate with a dangerous runner on first. And there goes Carey on the first pitch! Beals fires it down to second, Ross Barnes puts on the tag, but too late! Carey is safe with his fifth stolen base on the season! And it's now a 2-2 count to Mills. Mills swings, and hits a fly ball to center field. That shouldn't be a problem for Lip Pike, and indeed it isn't. Pike makes the play for the third out. Fort Wayne gets no runs on one hit, and after two full innings, we're still scoreless."


okay, I'm too tired to finish this game. The rest will be completed tomorrow..... zzzzz.......

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-14-2003 02:39 PM

"Top of the third now, with Joe Battin leading off for the Olympics. Battin swings at the first pitch, and hits a grounder right to Mike McGeary, which he takes care of for the first out. That brings up the pitcher, Asa Brainard. Brainard also swings at the first pitch, and hits a slow grounder to the right side. This time McGeary has to charge it, he scoops it up - it'll be close - and gets him at first by half a step. Very nice play by Mike McGeary! Now we're back to Wes Fisler, the only Olympic player with a hit this game. Fisler works the count to full, and the pitch.... Fisler hits a hard grounder to the left side, and that's going to make it through for a base hit. Now up is Tom York, who grounded to third his first time up. And he swings at the 2-1 pitch, but grounds it right to shortstop Tom Carey, who scoops it up and throws out Fisler at second. No runs on one hit for Washington in the third. Through two and a half, there's still no score."

"Pitcher George Zettlein will start things off for Fort Wayne. Zettlein enters the game batting .277. And he swings - and hits a lazy fly to left. Tom York is right there, and makes the play for the first out of the inning. That brings up Mike McGeary, who's 0 for 1 - he flied to right his first time up. The 0-1 pitch, and he swings... and hits a grounder to Battin over at third, who throws him out for out number two. Next up is Ed Pinkham, who grounded out his first time up. The 2-2 pitch to Pinkham.... he drives a hard grounder down the third-base line. It gets by Battin, and York has to chase it down in the corner of the field. Pinkham cruises into second with a standup double. That brings up John Glenn, who singled his first time up. And Glenn swings hard at the first pitch.... it's lined hard, but right at Dave Abercrombie, who makes the play for the third out of the inning. No runs on one hit for Fort Wayne in the third. We've played three, and it's 0-0."

"Ross Barnes, 0 for 1 on the day, will start things off in the fourth inning. And Barnes takes a big cut at the first pitch.... he hits a liner to left, and that's going to fall in for a hit. That brings up Lip Pike, who popped up his first time up. And Barnes is running on the first pitch! Charlie Mills throws to second, but the throw goes wild! Barnes goes over to third on the error on catcher Charlie Mills. And the 2-1 pitch to Pike... Pike pulls the pitch into right field for a base hit. That will score Barnes, and make it a 1-0 game. Next up is Art Allison, who grounded to second his first time up. And this time it's Pike running on the first pitch! Mills again throws it away, and Pike too ends up on third. Not a great inning so far for Charlie Mills. And the 1-2 pitch to Allison - he hits a grounder right to Ed Pinkham, which freezes Pike on third, and Pinkham easily throws Allison out at first. One away. That brings up Tommy Beals, who's 0 for 1 on the day. The 0-1 pitch to Beals.... he knocks a shot into the left-center field gap. That's going to go for extra bases, as Beals slides into second with a double and Pike walks home to give the Olympics a 2-0 lead. Now it's Dave Abercrombie at the plate. Abercrombie was robbed of a hit by George Heubel last time up. The 0-1 pitch to Abercrombie... it's lined up the middle for a hit... NO! WAIT! An amazing diving catch by Tom Carey! Beals is already halfway to third, and Carey tosses it to McGeary for the third out of the inning. What a play by Tom Carey to get the Kekiongas out of trouble. For the inning, it's two runs on three hits, with two errors. At the end of three and a half, it's 2-0, Washington."

"George Heubel, who's 0 for 1 on the day, will start things out for Fort Wayne. The 0-1 pitch to Heubel, and he hits a routine grounder to Ross Barnes. Barnes throws over to first.... and the throw is in the dirt! Fisler is able to corral it but the throw pulled him off the bag and Heubel is safe at first. They're going to charge Ross Barnes with an error on that play. Next up is Dick Higham, who hit a long fly out his first time up. The 2-0 pitch, and it's another routine grounder to Barnes. This time, Barnes throws to Abercrombie at second for one.... but Abercrombie can't turn the double play in time. Fielder's choice. That brings up Denny Mack, who's 0 for 1 with a fly out. The 1-1 pitch to Mack... it's a double play ball right at Battin, who throws to second - and the throws sails into right field. Everybody's safe, and Battin is charged with the error. Now it's Tom Carey coming up, who made a fantastic defensive play to get the Kekiongas out of the last inning. The 1-0 pitch... and he hits an easy grounder back to the mound. Brainard turns and makes the quick throw to second, then it goes over to first for the inning-ending double play! Nice! That's no runs on no hits for Fort Wayne, with two errors and one left on base. After four, it's 2-0 Washington."

Question: is this kind of play-by-play for the occasional important game (first-place showdowns, postseason) worthwhile, or too tedious to be worth reading? I don't mind doing it if it's going to get read, but if not I'll abbreviate things a bit more.

seth70liz76 11-14-2003 11:03 PM

You know, I see nothing wrong with this in a dynasty thread. Obviously, pick your moments and games wisely, but I'm all for it. But then again, I use to record play by play of my APBA games for replay back at later times. Man I was/am such a geek.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 03:05 AM

Ah, well - I didn't have time to write the rest of it as I simmed, so I had to hurry through the rest of the game.... ultimately, Fort Wayne came back to win 4-3 in the bottom of the ninth and Allison's hitting streak was snapped at 18 games. Fort Wayne now leads by a game and Philadelphia is ahead of Troy by two in the NA2 with nine to play.

holyroller 11-15-2003 03:11 AM

Great stuff up in here Eck :)

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 03:13 AM

Monday 4/29/1871

Standings Report

National Association I

Fort Wayne Kekiongas 14-9
Washington Olympics 12-11
Boston Red Caps 10-13
New York Mutuals 10-13

National Association II

Philadelphia Athletics 13-10
Troy Haymakers 13-10
Chicago White Stockings 10-13
Cleveland Forest Citys 10-13

With a week to go in the season, both of the pennant races are still wide open. The prediction here is that Philadelphia will hold off Troy and Washington will make a charge at the end to beat out Fort Wayne.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by holyroller
Great stuff up in here Eck :)
Thanks. Sometimes it's hard to know if these dynasty threads ever get read..... of course, then again, my first experience with these boards was lurking and reading Tiger Fan's HOB and HOB2 stuff.

holyroller 11-15-2003 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
Thanks. Sometimes it's hard to know if these dynasty threads ever get read..... of course, then again, my first experience with these boards was lurking and reading Tiger Fan's HOB and HOB2 stuff.
Yeah, I know. I am having the same sort of existential crisis with my own dynasty thread :)

Anyway, I read your old one and have been following this one as well and will continue to do so.

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 03:31 AM

Excellent. I'll try to make sure not to flake then... or to let my damn hard drive crap out again.

Monday 4/29/1871 games

Philadelphia 7, Troy 4

Frank Fleet went 3 for 4, scoring two runs and driving in two to lead the Athletics into first place with the win.

Fort Wayne 7, Washington 4

The Kekiongas overcame three-hit performances by Ross Barnes, Lip Pike and Dave Abercrombie to win at home against Washington and close in on the pennant.

Boston 6, New York 4

Chicago 11, Cleveland 4

Updated Standings

Fort Wayne 15-9
Washington 12-12
Boston 11-13
New York 10-14

Philadelphia 14-10
Troy 13-11
Chicago 11-13
Cleveland 10-14

Fort Wayne magic number: 4
Philadelphia magic number: 6

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 01:06 PM

Tuesday 4/30/1871 Games

Fort Wayne 7, Washington 6

This game, which saw Fort Wayne come from behind in the bottom of the eighth on the strength of Denny Mack and Tom Carey doubles, pretty much dashed Washington's postseason hopes.

Philadelphia 10, Troy 6

Al Reach went 3 for 4 to lead the Athletics to victory in this crucial game.

Boston 6, New York 5

Chicago 14, Cleveland 2

Updated Standings

Fort Wayne 16-9
Boston 12-13
Washington 12-13
New York 10-15

Philadelphia 15-10
Troy 13-12
Chicago 12-13
Cleveland 10-15

Eckstein 4 Prez 11-15-2003 03:19 PM

Wednesday 5/1/1871 Games

Philadelphia 15, Chicago 14 (12 innings)

This game was a crazy one. Chicago entered the eighth inning up 11-3 and surrendered four runs in both the eighth and ninth to send the game into extra frames. Both teams scored two in the tenth and one in the eleventh before Philadelphia got an unanswered run in the bottom of the twelfth. Chicago's George Bechtel also became the first player ever to get six hits in a game, as he went 6 for 6 before being removed for a pinch-runner in the tenth.

Fort Wayne 5, New York 4

The Kekiongas are now guaranteed at least a tie for first in the NA1.

Washington 7, Boston 3

Troy 14, Cleveland 6

The standings:

Fort Wayne 17-9
Washington 13-13
Boston 12-14
New York 10-16

Philadelphia 16-10
Troy 14-12
Chicago 12-14
Cleveland 10-16

Four games left to play now.... Fort Wayne can clinch the pennant today.


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