more dunn than adam dunn

locust9 · 12-30-2003, 07:13 AM

Have been simming for about 10 seasons now and I swear to god, this guy here appears to be the spitting image of dunn. Anyone know of any other players in baseball history he resembles, if any? His profile strikes me as fairly remarkable - Jack Clark is about the only guy I can remember with stats even close to this besides Dunn...

Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS XR OWS
2004 23 NYM NL 99 345 49 79 13 2 12 40 5 5 53 86 .229 .330 .383 .713 43.7 3.5
2005 24 NYM NL 157 578 111 139 43 5 29 83 1 2 100 126 .240 .353 .483 .836 97.1 16.7
2006 25 NYM NL 157 553 108 123 34 2 28 84 0 1 118 126 .222 .357 .443 .800 91.7 15.2
2007 26 NYM NL 157 583 123 141 37 5 40 102 0 2 124 145 .242 .373 .528 .901 119.9 21.1
2008 27 NYM NL 143 521 107 121 51 1 30 79 3 0 112 118 .232 .368 .507 .874 98.8 16.8
2009 28 NYM NL 156 535 126 146 41 6 45 89 1 0 132 153 .273 .417 .624 1.041 133.4 23.8
2010 29 NYM NL 151 570 125 106 43 6 33 86 3 0 151 148 .186 .353 .456 .810 105.6 21.3
2011 30 NYM NL 154 596 141 134 51 5 44 104 4 1 136 142 .225 .367 .549 .916 125.8 26.6
2012 31 NYM NL 160 615 148 136 57 2 50 115 2 1 157 162 .221 .379 .564 .943 136.5 27.4
9 Years Sim 1334 4896 1038 1125 370 34 311 782 19 12 1083 1206 .230 .368 .510 .878 952.5 172.3
162 Game Average 594 126 136 44 4 37 94 2 1 131 146 .230 .368 .510 .878 115.7
Career Highs 160 615 148 146 57 6 50 115 5 5 157 162 .273 .417 .624 1.041 136.5

joncarlos · 12-30-2003, 10:48 AM

That's great! I don't usually see the AI playing guys that hit for such low averages, but it's great when it happens. He should run more to truly be Dunn though... need some 12sb/9cs seasons

By my calculations this guy had 323 singles, 370 doubles, and 311 HRs. That's pretty cool!

locust9 · 12-30-2003, 11:00 AM

Well, the ai isn't playing him - I am.

. What's interesting is that I've had this guy leading off for about 7 seasons now, and he's consistently led the league or been near the top in runs scored, which is doubtless a result of his insanely high walk totals, hr power, and the run producers who follow him in the lineup, despite him having zero speed and a batting average lower than nearly every active major leaguer.

Anyway, it's gratifying to see the obp > ba thing proven in such an obvious way, even though I've seen it a million times before, it's especially clear here. I wish the Mets really had this player, maybe we'd win a fricking game.

-loc

dsvitak · 12-30-2003, 07:48 PM

It truly warms my heart to see the value of the lowly walk recognized and utilized in such a fashion.

Kinda reminds me of when Kirby Puckett was asked about HIS walk totals....he said, and I quote..."They pay me to hit, not to walk." If you consider of his .360 lifetime OBP, only .032 was as a result of walking, that is something.

As a matter of fact (as he warms to the subject) your player, with a lifetime batting average 88 points less(!) than Puckett, has a HIGHER lifetime OBP.

....and slugging percentage, and OPS (of course).

Looks to me that either (a) Kirby Puckett is hugely overrated, or (b) You got yerself a Hall of Famer.

dsvitak · 12-30-2003, 07:56 PM

More fun with overrated, non-walking bozos.

Go to www.baseball-reference.com, and look up Luis Aparicio. He was the quintessential lead off hitter for the White Sox, from 1956-1973.

Over 10 thousand at bats, a nice, loooong career.

.....with a lifetime OBP of .311

Ouch. Sounds like a Met, to me.

HEY, GUESS WHAT!!!!

He never, EVER scored a hundred runs in a season!

He walked more than 53 times just once in his career, and was a lifetime .262 hitter.

It is amazing how freakin' stupid managers were back then.

I tell ya, the best leadoff hitter ever (besides Rickey, of course) may well have been Wade Boggs...if they had decided to hit him there. He got on base over 300 times one year....hmmm....in SEVEN DIFFERENT YEARS!

Barry Bonds has only done it 5 times.

locust9 · 12-30-2003, 08:05 PM

Yeah, sadly, I know all about Aparicio. God, was he ever overrated. Even if his defense was as insanely good as it has been claimed, I don't see it counterbalancing his pathetic offense. If you see any winshares on this guy, lemme know, I just went rooting around for some with no luck.

On the subject of Ron Vavra (my walk-happy player), yeah, Boggs is actually my model for having these slow but incredibly patient hitters as leadoff batters. I remember back when I had Micro League BB and even Pursue the Pennant, I always would get Boggs and stick him at the top of the order. Never failed, unless the opponent had Rickey leading off...

-loc

joncarlos · 12-31-2003, 11:19 AM

I've got Dunn on my team... last year he hit leadoff, drew about 110 walks, hit 25 or so HRs and scored about 115 runs. This season I signed a speedy CF to hit leadoff and I'm struggling with where to put Dunn. Sounds like I should move him back to leadoff!!!

dsvitak · 01-02-2004, 03:47 PM

I don't give a hairy rats ass about how fast a runner is.

Running speed is a bonus, at the top of the order.

It is SO much more critical for the ol' OBP to be high.

This will KILL my Cardinals this year...they don't have **** at the top of the order....but then have Renteria, Edmunds, Pujols, Rolen, and now Reggie Sanders.

Maybe then can teach Renteria how to draw a walk? He sure can hit.

12-30-2003, 07:13 AM	#1
locust9 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 36	more dunn than adam dunn Have been simming for about 10 seasons now and I swear to god, this guy here appears to be the spitting image of dunn. Anyone know of any other players in baseball history he resembles, if any? His profile strikes me as fairly remarkable - Jack Clark is about the only guy I can remember with stats even close to this besides Dunn... Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS XR OWS 2004 23 NYM NL 99 345 49 79 13 2 12 40 5 5 53 86 .229 .330 .383 .713 43.7 3.5 2005 24 NYM NL 157 578 111 139 43 5 29 83 1 2 100 126 .240 .353 .483 .836 97.1 16.7 2006 25 NYM NL 157 553 108 123 34 2 28 84 0 1 118 126 .222 .357 .443 .800 91.7 15.2 2007 26 NYM NL 157 583 123 141 37 5 40 102 0 2 124 145 .242 .373 .528 .901 119.9 21.1 2008 27 NYM NL 143 521 107 121 51 1 30 79 3 0 112 118 .232 .368 .507 .874 98.8 16.8 2009 28 NYM NL 156 535 126 146 41 6 45 89 1 0 132 153 .273 .417 .624 1.041 133.4 23.8 2010 29 NYM NL 151 570 125 106 43 6 33 86 3 0 151 148 .186 .353 .456 .810 105.6 21.3 2011 30 NYM NL 154 596 141 134 51 5 44 104 4 1 136 142 .225 .367 .549 .916 125.8 26.6 2012 31 NYM NL 160 615 148 136 57 2 50 115 2 1 157 162 .221 .379 .564 .943 136.5 27.4 9 Years Sim 1334 4896 1038 1125 370 34 311 782 19 12 1083 1206 .230 .368 .510 .878 952.5 172.3 162 Game Average 594 126 136 44 4 37 94 2 1 131 146 .230 .368 .510 .878 115.7 Career Highs 160 615 148 146 57 6 50 115 5 5 157 162 .273 .417 .624 1.041 136.5

12-30-2003, 10:48 AM	#2
joncarlos All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 693	That's great! I don't usually see the AI playing guys that hit for such low averages, but it's great when it happens. He should run more to truly be Dunn though... need some 12sb/9cs seasons By my calculations this guy had 323 singles, 370 doubles, and 311 HRs. That's pretty cool! __________________ <a href =http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35167> 2003 Pirates Regular Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40941> 2003 Pirates playoffs and off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44242> 2004 Pirates Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47658> 2004 Pirates Playoffs and Off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48039>2005 Pirates Regular Season </a>

12-30-2003, 11:00 AM	#3
locust9 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 36	heh Well, the ai isn't playing him - I am. . What's interesting is that I've had this guy leading off for about 7 seasons now, and he's consistently led the league or been near the top in runs scored, which is doubtless a result of his insanely high walk totals, hr power, and the run producers who follow him in the lineup, despite him having zero speed and a batting average lower than nearly every active major leaguer. Anyway, it's gratifying to see the obp > ba thing proven in such an obvious way, even though I've seen it a million times before, it's especially clear here. I wish the Mets really had this player, maybe we'd win a fricking game. -loc

12-30-2003, 08:05 PM	#6
locust9 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 36	uuugh Yeah, sadly, I know all about Aparicio. God, was he ever overrated. Even if his defense was as insanely good as it has been claimed, I don't see it counterbalancing his pathetic offense. If you see any winshares on this guy, lemme know, I just went rooting around for some with no luck. On the subject of Ron Vavra (my walk-happy player), yeah, Boggs is actually my model for having these slow but incredibly patient hitters as leadoff batters. I remember back when I had Micro League BB and even Pursue the Pennant, I always would get Boggs and stick him at the top of the order. Never failed, unless the opponent had Rickey leading off... -loc

12-31-2003, 11:19 AM	#7
joncarlos All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 693	I've got Dunn on my team... last year he hit leadoff, drew about 110 walks, hit 25 or so HRs and scored about 115 runs. This season I signed a speedy CF to hit leadoff and I'm struggling with where to put Dunn. Sounds like I should move him back to leadoff!!! __________________ <a href =http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35167> 2003 Pirates Regular Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40941> 2003 Pirates playoffs and off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44242> 2004 Pirates Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47658> 2004 Pirates Playoffs and Off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48039>2005 Pirates Regular Season </a>

12-30-2003, 07:48 PM	#4
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,870	It truly warms my heart to see the value of the lowly walk recognized and utilized in such a fashion. Kinda reminds me of when Kirby Puckett was asked about HIS walk totals....he said, and I quote..."They pay me to hit, not to walk." If you consider of his .360 lifetime OBP, only .032 was as a result of walking, that is something. As a matter of fact (as he warms to the subject) your player, with a lifetime batting average 88 points less(!) than Puckett, has a HIGHER lifetime OBP. ....and slugging percentage, and OPS (of course). Looks to me that either (a) Kirby Puckett is hugely overrated, or (b) You got yerself a Hall of Famer.

12-30-2003, 07:56 PM	#5
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,870	More fun with overrated, non-walking bozos. Go to www.baseball-reference.com, and look up Luis Aparicio. He was the quintessential lead off hitter for the White Sox, from 1956-1973. Over 10 thousand at bats, a nice, loooong career. .....with a lifetime OBP of .311 Ouch. Sounds like a Met, to me. HEY, GUESS WHAT!!!! He never, EVER scored a hundred runs in a season! He walked more than 53 times just once in his career, and was a lifetime .262 hitter. It is amazing how freakin' stupid managers were back then. I tell ya, the best leadoff hitter ever (besides Rickey, of course) may well have been Wade Boggs...if they had decided to hit him there. He got on base over 300 times one year....hmmm....in SEVEN DIFFERENT YEARS! Barry Bonds has only done it 5 times.

01-02-2004, 03:47 PM	#8
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,870	I don't give a hairy rats ass about how fast a runner is. Running speed is a bonus, at the top of the order. It is SO much more critical for the ol' OBP to be high. This will KILL my Cardinals this year...they don't have **** at the top of the order....but then have Renteria, Edmunds, Pujols, Rolen, and now Reggie Sanders. Maybe then can teach Renteria how to draw a walk? He sure can hit.