VOTE: Time Warp Initial HOF Induction 1938

[Matt from TN]

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results

The only player elected to the RL HOF in 1938 was Pete Alexander.

All players from previous ballots were retained on this one, plus I listed the players with HOF Standards scores of between 45-49. Again, I would list more, but I'm afraid this ballot would get too big to scan through.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .368
Hits: 3962
HR: 310
RBI: 1693
2B: 665
BB: 1643
R: 1976
SB: 901


Whitey Kohse, SS, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 74
2749 H, 660 2B, 131 HR, 1346 RBI, 1523 R, 853 K, 1643 BB, 164 SB, .324 AVG, .939 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 5, SLG 3, OPS 5, Doubles 4, Runs 1, Walks 6
Career Top 10: RBI, Doubles, Walks (#1), Runs


Tom Turley, C, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 71
3098 H, 395 2B, 131 HR, 1502 RBI, 1653 R, 931 K, 1454 BB, 420 SB, .293 AVG, .814 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Walks 1
Career Top 10: Hits, RBI, Runs, Walks


Harry "The Haymaker" Cohan, C, Last Season: 1928, HOF Standard: 60
3208 H, 266 2B, 43 HR, 1161 RBI, 1168 R, 632 K, 547 BB, 59 SB, .353 AVG, .825 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 9
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: 3
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, Hits 2
Career Top 10: AVG, Hits


"Flaky" Arsenault, SS, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 59
3511 H, 351 2B, 28 HR, 1330 RBI, 1661 R, 446 K, 1012 BB, 359 SB, .336 AVG, .838 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, Runs 1
Career Top 10: Hits, Runs


Jed Burke, 2B, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 59
2950 H, 265 2B, 18 HR, 1055 RBI, 1228 R, 600 K, 921 BB, 138 SB, .345 AVG, .851 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 3
Led League in: OBP 4, SLG1, OPS 2, Hits 3, BB 1
Career Top 10: NONE


Campbell Ditty, CF, Last Season: 1929, HOF Standard: 56
3131 H, 665 2B, 206 HR, 1628 RBI, 1313 R, 628 K, 665 BB, 60 SB, .309 AVG, .797 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 3, HR 5, RBI 1
Career Top 10: Hits, HR, RBI, 2B (#1)


Tee Carver, RF, Last Season: 1923, HOF Standard: 54
2908 H, 529 2B, 61 HR, 1399 RBI, 1319 R, 703 K, 1158 BB, 79 SB, .314 AVG, .827 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 3, BB 2
Career Top 10: RBI, 2B


"Barefoot" Atkins, CF, Last Season: 1927, HOF Standard: 53
2673 H, 271 2B, 57 HR, 1274 RBI, 1337 R, 686 K, 1077 BB, 96 SB, .308 AVG, .821 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, 3B 1
Career Top 10: NONE


Bop Vacha, 3B, Last Season: 1928, HOF Standard: 52
2641 H, 358 2B, 90 HR, 1268 RBI, 1275 R, 804 K, 1346 BB, 70 SB, .298 AVG, .798 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: BB


"Butterball" Klehammer, C, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 52
2638 H, 400 2B, 108 HR, 1161 RBI, 1041 R, 682 K, 584 BB, 12 SB, .311 AVG, .788 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, HR 1, RBI 1
Career Top 10: NONE


Patrick Seifried, 1B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 51
2720 H, 313 2B, 59 HR, 1195 RBI, 1348 R, 851 K, 1137 BB, 235 SB, .327 AVG, .867 OPS
BOY Award: 3
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 3, SLG 1, OPS 2, RBI 2, Runs 2, BB 3
Career Top 10: NONE


Donny Engel, CF, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 49
2822 H, 265 2B, 32 HR, 895 RBI, 1371 R, 635 K, 603 BB, 562 SB, .307 AVG, .780 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, Runs 1, SB 2
Career Top 10: 3B, SB


Paris "Frenchie" Fournier, 3B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 49
2730 H, 465 2B, 24 HR, 980 RBI, 1511 R, 354 K, 541 BB, 802 SB, .296 AVG, .772 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 2, 2B 1, 3B 2, Runs 4, SB 7
Career Top 10: 3B, Runs, SB


Thomas Strasser, CF, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 49
2622 H, 360 2B, 113 HR, 1266 RBI, 1323 R, 549 K, 469 BB, 315 SB, .303 AVG, .813 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 3B 4
Career Top 10: 3B


Marcus Sargent, SS, Last Season: 1931, HOF Standard: 46
2200 H, 295 2B, 36 HR, 862 RBI, 1120 R, 453 K, 804 BB, 237 SB, .301 AVG, .803 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE


Wayne "Smally" Becker, 2B, Last Season: 1931, HOF Standard: 45
2384 H, 516 2B, 47 HR, 1099 RBI, 1071 R, 296 K, 552 BB, 88 SB, .312 AVG, .801 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 3, RBI 1
Career Top 10: 2B

[Matt from TN]

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 359
K: 2612
CG: 601
SHO: 95


Cecil Tan, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 67
292-168, 63.5%, 2.33 ERA, 4328 IP, 695 BB, 1864 K, 431 CG, 74 SHO, 1.09 WHIP
POY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: 1 - Perfect Game
Led League in: ERA 4, WHIP 2, Wins 3, IP 3, K 2, CG 2, SHO 6
Career Top 10: ERA, Wins, CG, SHO


Allen Albertini, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 60
265-147, 64.3%, 2.32 IP, 3982.3 IP, 1275 BB, 1724 K, 306 CG, 59 SHO, 1.05 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, BB 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO


Will Haggan, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 58
337-299, 53.0%, 3.28 ERA, 5837.1 IP, 1597 BB, 2612 K, 601 CG, 45 SHO, 1.15 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 2
Career Top 10: Wins, K's (#1), CG (#1)


Mark Krosser, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57
266-181, 59.5%, 2.50 ERA, 4134.2 IP, 653 BB, 2131 K, 419 CG, 39 SHO, 1.10 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 3, WHIP 1, Wins 2, IP 1, K's 2, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, K's


Bowie Castellon, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57
262-146, 64.2%, 2.52 ERA, 3801 IP, 777 BB, 1298 K, 397 CG, 50 SHO, 1.08 WHIP
POY Award: 2
ROY Award: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 3, CG 2
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO


Jassen Nelson, Last Season: 1917, HOF Standard: 56
274-196, 58.3%, 2.66 ERA, 4541.2 IP, 862 BB, 2016 K, 412 CG, 51 SHO, 1.08 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 3
No-Hitters: 1 - Perfect Game
Led League in: Wins 1, IP 2, K's 1, SHO 3
Career Top 10: K's


Dave "The Shepard" McBean, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 56
254-151, 62.7%, 2.52 ERA, 3747 IP, 611 BB, 1529 K, 386 CG, 55 SHO, 1.06 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 3, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO


Howard Adams, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 55
272-192, 58.6%, 2.56 ERA, 4470 IP, 906 BB, 1834 K, 375 CG, 67 SHO, 1.18 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 3
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, SHO 2
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO


Hugh Tiedt, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 48
245-171, 58.9%, 2.97 ERA, 3943 IP, 652 BB, 1621 K, 367 CG, 47 SHO, 1.08 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, IP 1
Career Top 10: NONE


"Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46
322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2
Career Top 10: Wins


"Johnny Cakes" Sutton, Last Season: 1910, HOF Standard: 45
193-121, 61.5%, 2.38 ERA, 2912.2 IP, 535 BB, 946 K, 300 CG, 47 SHO, 1.03 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2
Career Top 10: ERA


"Evil" Gary Archer, Last Season: 1914, HOF Standard: 45
237-188, 55.8%, 2.86 ERA, 392.1 IP, 984 BB, 1631 K, 405 CG, 47 SHO, 1.09 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: 3
Led League in: WHIP 2, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE


"Greasy" Holloway, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 45
283-261, 52.0%, 3.51 ERA, 5005.2 IP, 768 BB, 2154 K, 445 CG, 34 SHO, 1.14 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Losses 1
Career Top 10: Wins, K's, CG




DO NOT VOTE FOR THESE
Here's the next best players on the HOF Standards Test:
44: Granville Galvan, Johnny Swinson, Jared Jarry
43: Timothy Sonnet
42: Derek Callery, "Razor" Lawley, John Blatt, Mike Boardway, "Dark Horse" Allen
41: Carl Garvan, "Brickhead" Bill Horton, Michael Wrightson
40: "Chump" Blair, Charlie Matthews, "Spice" Hagaman

[tward13]

Cohan
Arsenault
Turley
Ditty
Tan
Haggan
Albertini

[Matt from TN]

FYI: Since this is our 3rd ballot, after this vote is completed, I will begin enforcing the rule where a player falls off the ballot forever if he does not receive at least 5% of the votes. That player will, of course, become eligible for induction by the veterans committee (which begins in 1946) 21 seasons after retiring.

[rogmax11]

Kohse
Cohan
Tan
Albertini
Arsenault
Ditty
Haggan
Turley

[scprideandms]

Cohan Ditty

[Tyke]

kohse
tan

[Knox]

Cohan
Kohse
Turley
Ditty
Tan
Haggan
Albertini

[jdw]

In alpha order:

Allen Albertini
Jean-Francois Arsenault
Jed Burke
Harry Cohan
Whitey Kohse
Patrick Seifried
Cecil Tan


John

[Hank Greenberg]

Kohse-Obvious
Tan-Winning percentage and a good # of wins.
Cohan- Obvious
Seifried- Good teams+ Good Peak+ Good D
Burke- Just a small step below Seifried really....

[Carlton]

Cohan---better than Whiskey Allen...If Cato's was used from inception...I am sure he would have every Catcher category...including defensive Win Shares

Ditty--1st pure power hitter, not as great overall as Pops Falise, but not far behind

Archer---3 no hitters, career stats were before TWB...but such a great nickname and well deserved.

Fournier-The real leader of the Blues dynasty...and gave me great quotes Seriously was the best leadoff hitter before Tito Nunez and Tito was just so above every one else.

Can ya tell I like their place in history and leaderboard placements rather than HOF Standards...lol

EDIT!!!!!

I forgot Shepard McBean...UGH

/EDIT!!!!!!!!

[Hank Greenberg]

Archer never won a POTY award, or led in Wins and ERA and a lackluster winning percentage.

He doesn't really compare with Tan...

[Matt from TN]

Granted it was the deadball era for many of these guys, but there were some really excellent pitchers...

By now we've all heard about Tan, Archer and McBean... but why has everyone overlooked Albertini, Krosser, Castellon, Nelson, Adams, Tiedt and Sutton?

For example, has anyone noticed that Castellon won 18+ games in every single season of his career? Only three times did he win less than 20. He won 2 POY and, if I'm not mistaken, was a WS MVP.

Albertini was incredible for a lot of mediocre Dodgers teams but still managed to win 64% of his decisions. He was overlooked then and appears to still be so now.

Krosser was good when the Phillies weren't, but he was also a big key to their success in the early part of the century.

Nelson spearheaded the early Yankees success, and in 4 World Series was 5-2 with a 1.11 ERA in 8 starts, including 2 shutouts!

As someone else said before, McBean is unfortunately underrated. He was a star on some poor Senators teams, but went 3-0 in their only WS appearance during his career.

I think most, if not all, of these guys are HOF'ers, but the question is how and when will they get in.

[Dagrims]

My ballot:

Kohse
Turley
Cohan
Ditty
Arsenault
Tan
Castellon
McBean

[lgkeeper]

Kohse
Cohan
Turley
Ditty
Seiford
Tan
Haggan

[lgkeeper]

Looks like Cohan is finally getting the respect he deserves. Kudos to the voters.

[metsgeek]

Kohse
Ditty (should be in already!!!)
Cohan
Turley
Fargo
Tan
Castellon
McBean

[Matt from TN]

So far it looks like 2 very deserving players are almost in, while Kohse and Ditty are on the doorstep, but so far do not qualify. There are a lot of players who will fall off the ballot without 5% of the votes.

Harry Cohan	        90.91%
Cecil Tan	        81.82%
Whitey Kohse	        72.73%
Campbell Ditty	        72.73%
Tom Turley	        54.55%
Flaky Arsenault	        36.36%
Allen Albertini	        36.36%
Will Haggan	        36.36%
Patrick Seifried	27.27%
Dave McBean	        27.27%
Jed Burke	        18.18%
Bowie Castellon	        18.18%
"Frenchie" Fournier	 9.09%
Ned Fargo	         9.09%
"Evil" Archer	         9.09%
Tee Carver	         0.00%
"Barefoot" Atkins	 0.00%
"Butterball" Klehammer	 0.00%
Bop Vacha	         0.00%
Donny Engel	         0.00%
Thomas Strasser  	 0.00%
Marcus Sargent	         0.00%
"Smally" Becker	         0.00%
Mark Krosser	         0.00%
Jassen Nelson	         0.00%
Howard Adams	         0.00%
Hugh Tiedt	         0.00%
Jonathan Sutton    	 0.00%
"Greasy" Holloway	 0.00%

[Ankhiel]

Ditty
Arsenault
Tan
Haggan
Krosser
Fargo

[tward13]

Originally posted by Ankhiel
Ditty
Arsenault
Tan
Haggan
Krosser
Fargo

You really think Cohan is not a HoFer?